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Bodasafa

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First I'm glad I stumbled across this site, seems like a great resource. So hats off to the admins and regular members.

Ive been smoking Reds for 16 years and I want to get off them.

Recently I had to take a trip out east for a 15 hr car drive and got a single use E-cig (Blu.cigs). The effect worked for me and I feel I can make the switch to a healthier life. Problem is it tasted like stale cardboard.

I know that single use e cigs are not the way to go and I need a whole kit, with charger ect.

But I am so confused with the amount of brands and options I have no idea where to begin. All the abbreviations and terminology is new to me so I'm a noob at this lol.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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- Boda
 

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First off, welcome to ECF :)

I must say I was advised to get the SD Keyring by Trog on another forum, and I haven't looked back.

But from reading on an even different forum, Trog himself said that these aren't exactly made to be an all-day device. I've not had any issues with mine yet, but I've only had it since Monday.

It comes in around $22 w/o shipping, and includes everything needed to start. There are a few US retailers but not sure I'm allowed to post links to the sites.
 

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You're gonna get a lot of suggestions...

My suggestion is to start with a 3.7V eGo system with either eMDCCs (eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomizers) or Stardust clearomizers and wean yourself off 'bakky. Then, if you're still enjoying vaping, look for a VV (Variable Voltage) PV (Personal Vaporizer) within your price range.

Good luck!
 
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I'm planning on going all in. Ive tried an e-cig and realized its something I can do, so I'm looking for a kit to buy and then basically just order juice. There are just so many to choose from.

I live near Chicago, IL - USA. Are there any store that sell good brands I could go look at? Or are the best prices online?
 

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You're gonna get a lot of suggestions...

My suggestion is to start with a 3.7V eGo system with either eMDCCs (eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomizers) or Stardust cartomizers and wean yourself off 'bakky. Then, if you're still enjoying vaping, look for a VV (Variable Voltage) PV (Personal Vaporizer) within your price range.

Good luck!

I concure with Iffy. You're going to get a lot of opinions on what the best starter kit to get is. I also agree with an ego type system. There are a few to choose from.

KGO Mega Dual Coil Kit 1100mah
This is nice kit that comes with 2 big batteries , 5 Cartomizers, a Case, a Charger, and a USB cable.

I have no idea if that is the best vendor, or price. It was simply in my bookmarks because I want the Pink one :)

Edit: for comparrison sake, here is another kit that Ive seen people link and talk about:

KGO kit1100mAh by SLB

Everyone is different, so your mileage may vary. The only thing that helped me truley kick the analogs was a kit with the Dual Coil Cartomizers. Less fuss, and a refill lasted me all day. Dripping (to me) was a hassle and the Plastic Tank systems leaked all over me and just tasted bleh.
 
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A nice simple eGo kit would get you going. A lot of sites have them but I'll just suggest madvapes for now. They have a nice priced kit and a lot of juice on the site that is also cheap so you can find a flavor you enjoy. I hope you find something that works for you and stay around awhile :) Look around the site and please ask questions if you have any concerns

eGo kit: Smok Tech 510 Ego Kit with Carrying Case
eJuice: TopVapor USA E-Liquid


 

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One of the most commonly recommended brand of e-cig for newer users is the joye 510 EGO.

The 510 is the type of thread it uses, and it's one of the standards for vaping. There are others but it's what I use.

When you first start you'll think you want something that feels like a cigarette in your mouth, same weight, same size etc. I used the joye 510 standard mini for over a year. It did the trick for me, and I also smoked reds (about 1 1/2 Packs a Day). The downside to it was the battery life. I would constantly be changing batteries and charging etc. (Really close to about every hour or so). Since getting an EGO and a Kgo (different model, but similar to EGO and uses the same threading) I can tell you from my own experience that I wish I had gone with a larger battery from the beginning. Was just too stubborn to switch until recently. Using a larger battery will just take that PITA out of the way. So you can focus on something a little more important, flavors.

Now, before we get to flavors (which is really really subjective) you should be aware of the different styles of ways to get the nicotine to the battery. On my 510 there is:

Cartridge : This contains the nicotine in a filler and attempts (though not very well w/o a bit of modification) to keep the atomizer (heating element) moist.

Atomizer: This heats the liquid and produces vapor. These things will last anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months + (personally I've never had one last less than two months)

Battery: This is the part that is drained when you need it the most.

There are also combinations of atomizers and cartridges (cartomizers). I haven't much experience with these, but others swear by them. They provide a bit of ease because they're meant to be disposable ( but can be refilled). They are cheaper than buying atomizers, but don't last quite as long. Some people (like myself) have claimed the flavors of juices get dulled when using these.

There are many other variations, but first I think you should get started with something relatively simple (there is sometimes a steep learning curve for these things).

A kit I wish was available when I first started is found at https://www.cignot.com/product_p/kit-ego-spt.htm ... If you have access to a USB charger, this may be the way to go for hardware. While you can charge e-cigs on a battery USB port, some have claimed this can kill your computer's mobo. (Not to scare you lol) but you can find a wall - USB charger at wal-mart. Don't just take my word for it, do some more research and get some more feedback. But that was my 2c.

Now for the Juices: Everyone's taste buds are different, finding the right juice for you might take you one day or over a few months.. even then, your taste buds will change back after all the years of smoking. Causing you to find the perfect one again. When starting, I wanted something with that velvety smooth flavor of a Marb Red, and the kick to the chest.. I still like the kick to the chest (can be found with e-cigs) but the velvety smooth flavor isn't quite how I thought it was after trying a marb again recently (lol you'll find out)... Anyway, I have been using johnson creek's red oak smoke juice "Tennessee Cured" tobacco flavored. It's kind of sweet caramel/toffee/vanilla? But not overpoweringly sweet.. and still has a hint of tobacco. It's around the type of flavor when you see "RY4" juices at other sites.

With juices, they are typically found in PG (Propylene Glycol) or VG (Vegetable Glycerine) or a combination of the two. PG sometimes causes slight reactions in people. For myself, it made my teeth feel sensitive. Switching to VG fixed that. Red Oak is VG. Johnson Creek's juices are fairly expensive, though. You can find other places that make all sorts of juices.

You'll find that things you didn't expect to taste good, taste amazing in vapor form. Vape cheesecake? Hell yes. .. part of the real fun of vaping is finding the right juice..

When ordering hardware, order more atomizers/cartomizers than you think you'll need. Having an atomizer break and not being patient enough to wait on another one can put you back on the analogs (real cigarettes).. so it's best to avoid that.

(I chose to mention cignot because Vickie has always treated me right, superfast shipping and hellacious customer service. You treat me right, I tell people :D) And Johnson Creek because MMMMMmmmmm Tennessee Cured (YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary)

Feel free to look around, sorry for such a long post. But people here are friendly and genuinely want you to get off analogs. ^.^
 

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Hello and Welcome,Congrats on choosing to get off the smoke.I feel better than I have for a long,long time.Smoked for over 35yrs and was feeling like it!I started with a ecig style,but the battery life wasn't cutting it (wish I would of found this site first). I agree with those that say to get a bigger battery to start. I got the Kgo and it last me a day.
 

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Thanks for all the responses. I don't mind long posts, I'm here for information.

I'm not really a fan of flavored stuff with foods (I know people say that I may change my mind but I doubt it). I akin it to beers, I don't like fruity micro brews.

I said the same thing.. guess what? haha!

But really, if you smoked Reds, check out ECBlend 7-leaf tobacco. It's the juice that I found was as close to a Marlboro that I could find. Granted... I only tried like 4 or 5 juices, but this one worked for me. I also really like (and still Vape) the RY4. It's tobacco flavor with a hint of Vanilla and Caramel. You do say that might not be for you, but if you're curious you can get sample sizes of 5ml for $2.50. Prices are pretty cheap, so Id get a bunch of different Tobacco type flavors (they even have one called REDS) and see what you like. From there you can try out some of the more expensive juices from other vendors, but it helps to know what you're looking for in a juice.

Never in my life did I think I would want to Vape a Smoothie flavor over a Tobacco Flavor.. yet here I am. It's all crazy.
 
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What's the differences in single coil or dual coil?

I feel like finding the right hardware is the first step, I can figure out flavors after.

I'm a little confused about the battery life issue. I had a blu.cig one use disposable and used it on my 15 hour road trip, then back again. That was over a week ago and its still working?
 

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My advice to you is to skip the cig look alike stage. There are some decent ones out there (I really do like my Volcano Mega Magma, it's a jumbo 510 I think), but the majority are crap. Short battery life. Just go straight to the Ego clones. They have good vapor production, really good battery life, you'll be happy with it. I'd stay away from variable voltage mods until you know what you're doing.

I also suggest you break the mindset of the tobacco flavor. When I first started out, I thought I needed tobacco. The problem is, I don't think there's a juice out there that tastes like a lit cigarette. Some of them have a slight aroma of unburnt tobacco, but that's it. In fact, some of the non-tobacco base tobacco flavors taste a tad like blackberries to me, go figure.

Anyway, break the tobacco mindset, there are SO MANY amazing flavors out there. Fruit flavors, coffees, chocolates, amarettos. Chocolate and Amaretto are some of my favorite. Once you break the cycle in thinking it needs to taste like a cig, you'll be a lot more satisfied. It certainly doesn't have to be anything fancy either if you're not one for fancy flavors. A basic mint or cinnamon flavor will do you well (do NOT put cinnamon ejuice in any sort of plastic style clearo or tank, it'll eat it). The throat hit with those two particular types of juice is out of this world too. And once you do start using PVs and get off the tobacco, you're not going to like the way cigs taste anyway. Not that I'm saying there aren't good tobacco juices out there, the majority are just fine in fact, but don't expect them to taste like a cig.

Last, make sure you get a high enough nicotine concentration when you first start out, this is important to your success. The concentration you need depends on a few factors. How much you smoke, your metabolism, etc. There is no one answer for everyone. But if you're a habitual smoker (half a pack or more a day), chances are you're going to want at least 16mg. Personally, that's what I started with and it wasn't enough, I had to move up to 24mg. But that doesn't have to be a forever thing. I'm down to about 6mg steadily. Understand that the nicotine in cigarettes is not natural nicotine. Because of the added ammonia in commercial cigarettes, the nicotine undergoes a chemical reaction; basically the ammonia freebases the nicotine. This serves to make the drug much more potent and addictive. Plus there are other addictive properties in tobacco, besides nicotine. This is why nic levels are so important when you start out. You want a high nicotine level, to get you over the chemical detox. I'm sure you know all of the nasty things cigs have in them, it's all gotta come out, and your body will not be happy with this. You also have to adjust to the more natural nicotine. Higher nicotine levels will help.

Last but not least, give it time, and don't expect it to be a magic fix. Ecigs are absolutely wonderful for someone who has committed to getting off tobacco, but you've gotta be there man. You have to want to stop or it's not going to work, because you probably will get some detox symptoms, and it doesn't feel quite the same. So stick with it for a few weeks, and then look back and see how you're doing with it. Week two is going to feel a lot better than day two.
 

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What's the differences in single coil or dual coil?

I feel like finding the right hardware is the first step, I can figure out flavors after.

I'm a little confused about the battery life issue. I had a blu.cig one use disposable and used it on my 15 hour road trip, then back again. That was over a week ago and its still working?

You know, some people prefer one or the other, quite frankly, I can't tell the difference in performance. The difference is simply one has a single coil atty, and the other has a duel coil atty.

Hardware is important! There are a lot of great brands out there. I suggest as soon as you're able (5 posts plus an hour reset time) you go exploring the rest of the site. There are a lot of reviews.

That's because the battery was a disposable. The disposable products are manufactured to last quite a bit longer than their rechargeable counterparts. I can get a disposable to last all day, my similar recharge batteries (the regular 510s, the megas last quite a bit longer) only last a couple hours. They make them this way so that you can have a fair chance to try out the product, and get your money's worth. Though I don't know the tech aspects, I suspect the no-charges have a different sort of battery.
 

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My advice to you is to skip the cig look alike stage.

Do you mean the ones that look like real cigs as in shape are garbage?

Is there a particular hardware kit you would recommend?

Last but not least, give it time, and don't expect it to be a magic fix. Ecigs are absolutely wonderful for someone who has committed to getting off tobacco, but you've gotta be there man. You have to want to stop or it's not going to work, because you probably will get some detox symptoms, and it doesn't feel quite the same. So stick with it for a few weeks, and then look back and see how you're doing with it. Week two is going to feel a lot better than day two.

Thanks, yeah I'm all in on this plan, I'm going to make it work. I just turned 31 and been smoking 1+ packs a day for 16 years and I'm just done with it. After I got laid off from carpentry and had to take a factory job because of no work Ive gained a lot of weight and have no energy, I know real smoking is dragging me down and I need to get back into shape, having a better lung capacity I know will help.
 

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What's the differences in single coil or dual coil?

I feel like finding the right hardware is the first step, I can figure out flavors after.

I'm a little confused about the battery life issue. I had a blu.cig one use disposable and used it on my 15 hour road trip, then back again. That was over a week ago and its still working?

The disposable blu has horrible vapor production and it's also not a rechargeable battery. It'll give you a longer lasting battery at the cost of quality of vapor. (that is unless blu has improved their disposables, I know for a fact their blu kits still suck due to an acquaintance just wasting money on his kit)

In the atomizer there is a heating element (single coil).. some manufacturers have opted to place a second coil in the atty. Draws a bit more power but is supposedly better at vapor production. Something I haven't tried yet so I can't vouch for it. But as long as it can get the power from the battery I don't see why it wouldn't give more vapor (just don't know how the taste would come through)... anyway, I've digressed.
 

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My advice to you is to skip the cig look alike stage. There are some decent ones out there (I really do like my Volcano Mega Magma, it's a jumbo 510 I think), but the majority are crap. Short battery life. Just go straight to the Ego clones. They have good vapor production, really good battery life, you'll be happy with it. I'd stay away from variable voltage mods until you know what you're doing.

Think this is what you'll hear from most people.
 

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Do you mean the ones that look like real cigs as in shape are garbage?

Is there a particular hardware kit you would recommend?



Thanks, yeah I'm all in on this plan, I'm going to make it work. I just turned 31 and been smoking 1+ packs a day for 16 years and I'm just done with it. After I got laid off from carpentry and had to take a factory job because of no work Ive gained a lot of weight and have no energy, I know real smoking is dragging me down and I need to get back into shape, having a better lung capacity I know will help.

In general, yes. If it looks like a cigarette, you can expect sub par performance. Not granted, that is a generalization. I have a Mega 510 and I think it performs very well. But the regular size of the same brand and style, well they don't. And the Mega 510s are pretty big, almost twice the length of a regular 510. It'll do, but there are better things out there. Battery life is also a huge issue here.

Honestly, and Ego or Ego clone from a reputable company will be just fine. Some will say x brand is better, or y brand is better, but honestly, it's pretty much all the same product, just rebranded lol. Like I said, pop into some reviews on the site, to help find a reputable company. I honestly don't really have a brand in particular, that I can give you. Just look for an Ego. Original brand or clone, it doesn't matter.
 
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