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CyntP

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Hello Everyone,

I am new to e-cigs and am very overwhelmed by all the info, but I appreciate it. I have decided to go with Volt, but i keep getting conflicting information (or I do not understand) about them. I see a cartomizer and I see the battery and I think the cartomizer is disposable, but then it says that you can buy e-juice for them, so I don't get it. What am I missing? Do I refill them or do I just get new ones? Do I buy volt cartomizers for volt or can I use another product? Sorry if this is a lot of questions but I want to make sure I understand what I am getting and what I have to do.

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You will have batteries that are rechargable.
You will get cartomizers which you can fill with whatever juice you want, several times. After so long, you will need to trash them and buy more. The Volt has what's called '808 threading' so when you look to buy more cartomizers that's the threading you need to get, and you need to get the ones that are somewhere in the 2.0-2.5 ohm resistance. You don't HAVE to buy replacement cartomizers from the same place you bought the unit, just be sure they are 808 threaded and 2.0-2.5 ohm resistance cartomizers. Hope this helps you. Happy Vaping! Happy Shopping! and Welcome to ECF!:D
 

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I just measured several Volt cartomizers and they ranged between 2.7 and 3.0 ohms.
Going with a 2.0 or LR cartomizer on a small battery like a Volt can cause shortened battery life.

I find that the actual Volt cartomizers are of high quality and pricing is reasonable, so I tend to purchase blank cartomizers directly from Smokeless Image.
 

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Harplyr is right. Smokeless image uses Kanger Horizontal coil cartomizers. Not all places carry these and the price at S.I. is as good as any other place I've found them.

You could use a 2ohm carto on the Volt "mega" battery without hurting it too badly, but it's not really worth it and it definitely will degrade their standard sized battery.

Best bet is to stick with the Kangers and get them from S.I. unless some other place has some great sale or something.

Also, go to Youtube and find tutorials about filling and topping off cartomizers. You don't "refill" them the way you might be thinking. You never let them run dry. You top them off when the vapor starts getting weak. If you let them get empty, you'll ruin them.
 

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Hi [Your Name Here], and welcome to ECF. [Yes, another "shameless cut-and-paste; I'm old, and tired] :)

You say you would prefer an ecig that resembles a cigarette, but I have to ask if that's an absolute "must" for you, or would you consider something slightly larger that will give you a much better vaping experience?

To whom it may concern:

Yes, I'm referring to the Joyetech eGo Twist, fitted with exactly what Grimm Green is using in his review of it:

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

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Interesting .... I just re-read what I recently posted in another thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...aying-hi-looking-pointed-right-direction.html

.... and it occurs to me that I might have misspoken.

"Far too much deference is given on this site to beginners who very often don't really know what they want. They might think they know what they want, but it is impossible for them to have reasons that are as valid as they might think they are. They don't know what more experienced people know. They just don't. How could they? Why would they? It's OK that people don't know everything about everything. It would be a very odd state of affairs if they did.

That said, one place where we have to defer to a beginner's preferences is in "form factor". They do know what size and shape they want, and if they want a ciggie look-alike, then I will recommend a Volt. But I might very well also offer a long-term strategy; get a Volt, and if you end up wanting more battery life, vaping time, convenience, vapor production, or variable voltage, then get one of about five variable voltage devices, and one or more of maybe a half-dozen different attachments. And some great juice. Lots of it.

This is really not all that complicated. It's really pretty simple. And I think to keep it as simple as possible, I think it would be nice if we could all get "on the same page" as much as possible, and among the contents of that page is (IMO) that variable voltage will give you a better overall vape, under a wider range of conditions, than constant voltage. I simply do not see how a valid argument to the contrary can possibly be made".

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But do you really "know" what "form factor" you want? Do you know enough about the trade-offs involved with going with a look-alike to make an informed decision about "form factor"? Would you consider something less ciggie-looking if it gave you a far better vape?

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OP: This post -

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...7252-am-i-missing-somthing-2.html#post6435964

- contains all of the information you would need to make a very, very good choice (IMNSHO*)for a starting point in (variable voltage) vaping, provided you don't absolutely need to start with something that resembles a cigarette. If you do, I'd advise you to limit your research to exactly which model of Volt to get, and in what color.

* [IMNSHO = In My Not So Humble Opinion]

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The origin of this atrocity: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...about-e-cig-reviews-what-buy.html#post6554319

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You say you would prefer an ecig that resembles a cigarette, but I have to ask if that's an absolute "must" for you, or would you consider something slightly larger that will give you a much better vaping experience?

To whom it may concern: Yes, I'm referring to the Joyetech eGo Twist, fitted with exactly what Grimm Green is using in his review of it:

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

Yes, BUT: 510 cartos don't stand up when you set them down, and 510 bottom-channels are harder to clear, and SI makes a great 808 X2 which is ego-like AND compatible with their cig-sized batteries (which I still enjoy) for everything except you can't use the teeny usb chargers, they come with their own charging cable.

I'm thrilled with mine. (Yes, I admit I'm still in my first 4 months of vaping and still 1/2 on analogs.)

True, I like Volt batteries with Bloog cartos, and Bloog is a name brand. It feels to me like the Bloogs have *slightly* lower resistance, and various blogs put their resistance at 2.4, which should yield 5.4 watts on a Volt -- that should be pretty safe. I do like Volt's version of 555 juice, though.

I really really like the consistency of the Volt batteries, though I admit if the Twist came in 808 I'd get one.
 
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The volt is a good product. Their cartomizers are very good and can be refilled several times. I generally can refill them about 20 times. They are priced very reasonably and with coupons you can usually get them for between $7-$8 for a pack of 5. The ones that SI sells are 2.8ohm and you should not go below 2.4ohm if you buy from someone else.

They sell juice because you can refill the prefilled ones they sell, or buy blanks to fill. You can also use juice from other companies. If you like their flavors, buy a pack of their prefilled and a matching bottle of juice. Since the prefilled are the same price as the blank, you get 5 free ml. A pack of prefilled cartos will last long enough for the entire 30ml bottle of SI juice.

SI also just announced that they will be selling the bottom coil ce3 cartomizers for their small batteries. They are supposed to be in next week.

Check out my video. It goes through the whole product line and breaks it down to help get you started. My other videos will teach you how to refill and other tips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELM4QhceR7o


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Hello everyone,

I did not get the Volt, but got the e-cig brand for my husband. He likes them and has been using them for three days. He is smoking a lot less, but says that he did not think it would happen this quickly. I am going to try Volt. e-cig is ok, but I think I would do better with Volt.

I do want to know if people usually get off of electronic cigarettes too or does that become the new habit.

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Hello everyone,

I did not get the Volt, but got the e-cig brand for my husband. He likes them and has been using them for three days. He is smoking a lot less, but says that he did not think it would happen this quickly. I am going to try Volt. e-cig is ok, but I think I would do better with Volt.

I do want to know if people usually get off of electronic cigarettes too or does that become the new habit.

Thanks

I think my wife got hooked into that brand "e-cig" you are talking about. This was something she had gotten last year as a "free trial". While the thing worked, they set her up a revolving shipment of cartomizers, it was like 20 cartos for 79.99 which is a huge huge ripoff. If this sounds similar to what your husband has here, you will want to immediately take action to stop this type of scam subscription. Cartomizers should cost no more than 2 bucks a piece adn you can normally get them cheaper than that. It also quit working about 6 weeks in.

The volt is well regarded here at ECF and I'd go so far as to say it's now the de facto cig look-a-like recommended. I think you'll be pleased with it.
 

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Thank you Outlaw for your video. I learned a lot. Also, thank you to vape nerd. I talked to my husband and we will not be going back to e-cig. I have been doing a lot of research and I realized that I dont think I want to fill my e-cig. So my question to the forum is, is there a good e-cig out there that I do not have to fill or do you all recommend I not be so lazy and go with the ones I have to fill?

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There is so much to tell you, and you have so much to look forward to. Vaping is so enjoyable it is simply unbelievable. Any flavor in the world, more enjoyable than smoking, costs less, doesn't kill you. Things just don't get much better than that.

You're going to have to fill anything that you buy that's worth using. You just are. You're pretty much asking for the equivalent of the self-lighting, self-smoking cigarette. Plus, filling a carto or a tank gives you a little of the "ritual" associated with cigarettes. Tearing off the cellophane on the upper part of the pack, removing the idiotic piece of foil, maybe smacking the .... of the ciggie on a hard urface to pack the tobacco down a litte, lighting one up, playing with the ashes, crushing it out, the whole deal. Pouring/dripping juice into a tank or a carto, or maybe right onto an atomizer [did I hear someone say "HH.357?] is not a big deal.

Please PM me and I will give you my phone number. I will show you exactly what to buy, and from whom. Or just buy these things:

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Joyetech eGo-C Twist: Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery (MyVaporStore)

Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank: Pro DCTank Tube (MyVaporStore)

USB charger: eGo Rapid USB Charger 6.75 (MyVaporStore)

Wall charger: Mini AC Wall to USB Converter 6.25 (MyVaporStore)

eGo trim piece: eGo Cone Cover for DCTank (MyVaporStore)

Plain drip tip: Colored Drip Tip - 510/901 (MyVaporStore)

Cartomizers: Crystal Clear Vaping CrystalClearVaping

Cartomizers: Boge Mix n Match (5 Boxes) SureVapes - $0.92 each


No, I do not own, work for, or am in any way affiliated with MyVaporStore.com.

If you don't like this setup, you can PM me and I will buy it from you fr what you paid for it. For you, I will reimburse you for shipping. For anyone else reading this, same deal except the shipping to me is on you.

You will like it, and you wll like it very much. You will have to slot the cartomizers; either per Phil Busardo's YouTube video:

A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube - or PM me and I will call you and tell you how to do it. You'll need to own or borrow a Dremel tool for someone, and you'll need some Dremel cut-off wheels, # 409. Or you can buy a cartomizr punch. It's hard to find pre-punched cartomizers that will work well with lower-voltage devices, even ones that go up to 4.8 volts like the Twist. Some people - including MyVaporStore - will say that dual coil cartomizers work fine on lower-voltage devices - but they do not.

From the MyVaporStore website:

These cartomizers were designed specifically for use with Dual Coil Tank (DCTank) Tubes. A 510 drip tip and DCTank tube is needed in order to use these cartomizers. There is a hole punch on the side of them so may leak if used without a DCTank Tube.

All of our eLiquid will work with the DCTank (full PG or 50/50 PG/VG). Full VG eliquid is too thick and will not work well in theDCTank. [VG will work much better in a carto slotted for it].

These new cartomizers contain two heating coils instead of one to produce more vapor than your standard cartomizer [if you can put enough volts/watts to them]. They have been designed to work great with 3.7V batteries [Not IMO] or a HV (high voltage) setup. Available in 1.5ohm or 2.5ohm. Please allow +/- 0.3 variation. We recommend 1.5ohm for Ego batteries [why?] or 3.0V-4.2V batteries and 2.5ohm for 5V or higher. These cartomizers must be used with batteries of 650mAh capacity or higher and are known to discharge batteries much quicker than single coil cartomizers.

This is nowhere near as complicated as it might seem, and will be well worth the modest learning curve to figure out. This thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/302432-why-ego-c-twist-game-changer.html

contains a thorough discussion of why single coil cartomizers are far superior (IMO) to dual coils for use in a Joyetech Twist (or any eGo-class battery/PV).

If you do nothing else, please at least watch the Grimm Green review of the Twist, and feel free to ask any questions that you might have. Good luck, and happy vaping, whatever it's on.

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Others might recommend other things, and I encourage them to do so without making direct comparisons to what I have recommended if those other devices are of a different form factor.

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Also: I have always found the term DCT[ank] to be a misnomer, since "DCT" stands for Dual Coil Tank, potentially leading one to believe that single coil cartomizers are somehow not well-suited to them, which IMO they very much are. Some people like dual coils, and IMO they have their place, but not in lower-voltage devices; not even a 1.5 ohm dual coil in a Twist, due to the marginal wattage per coil, and the greatly increased amp draw of say a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer over a 3.0 ohm single coil.

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Final note:

Volts are great, but they're not variable voltage. kGo's, Rivas, and standard eGo's are great, but they're not variable voltage. IMO, there is no longer a compelling reason not to start with variable voltage. I've asked what that compelling reason is, and hereby ask again. What is the compelling reason for not getting two Joyetech eGo-C Twist batteries right from the start, if for no other reason than to have a perfectly fine variable voltage device to vape on while you continue to explore your options?

It takes about 5 seconds to figure out how to adjust the voltage on a Twist. Turn it clockwise for more heat to the cartomizer coil, counter-clockwise for less. Put a little dab of red paint right at the "4.0 volt" mark - halfway between its low setting of 3.2 volts and its high setting of 4.8 - and you can tell at a glance where you are.

Slotting cartos is "too hard"? Use the cartos by themselves until you figure it out. Or buy a couple of Stardusts, eGo W's, Vivi Nova's, or one of the many clearomizers out there. But get some 3.5ml DCT tanks too. They work just fine. Great part of anyone's arsenal. Ask Grimm Green. (Phil prefers "J-tanks", I happen to prefer DCT tanks. Whatevs).

I have a lot of stuff, but right now, I'm vaping on a 650mah Twist fitted with a Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank with a nicely-slotted Boge 3.0 ohm single coil SS XL carto in it. My vape is great. I don't even want to bother to pick up my VMax. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? TIA.

Lastly - mentoring. Things are easier when someone can answer questions for you, and tell you just what to do when unfamiliar things get tricky; things that are relatively simple once you know the ins and outs, having already gone through the learning curve. If you PM me, I will give you me email address and two phone numbers so you can contact me at any time so that this will be as easy for you as possible. "Post pulling" (insert joke here), carto slotting, tank filling, replacing a cartomizer in a full tank, keeping batteries happy and healthy, filling tanks and priming cartos, Ohm's Law (volts times volts divided by ohms = watts (two coils need [almost] twice the watts); rebuildable atomizers; great flavors and the best juice vendors, PG/VG ratios, carto punching vs. slotting, and how many holes or slots, and their size; pre-punched cartos, flanged cartos, unpunched cartos, single coil, dual coil, and when and why to use them; what level of niotine to start out with and end up at; health benefits of nicotine vs. the harmful effects of nicotine (yes, there are some) and how to intelligently balance them; and I'm sure I'm leaving a lot out.

There's a lot to this, but the big trick is to do something, which is just what you're about to do. If you get either a ProVari V2 or a VMax, plus three Twists, a bunch of DCT tanks, about 50 Boge 2.0 ohm single coil XL cartos, about 6ml of juice per day before you plan to reorder, and all of the support equipment I listed, you will be in fine, fine shape. You just will. Of course, you'll aslo have to make sure that you have whatever convertor you'll need to make sure that when in China you can supply 110V 60hz current to your charger(s).

I'm relatively sure I'm about to get a lot of disagreement about my recommendations, but it is very unlikely to change my opinion that you will not go very far wrong by following them. Are there "better" things you could get? Sure. You could get a Darwin, a Reo VV bottom-feeder, some Bulli tomizers, a bunch of Vivi Novas, eGo Vision/Stardust tanks, and many, many other things. But IMO there's no compelling reason to get it all right now. You have a long time to figure out exactly what you're going to like best throughout the rest of your vaping career. So do I. I've barely scratched the surface of exploring everything that's out there, but I know that you will get a fine, fine vape with the things that I've listed, and IMO you will be off to a flying start.

Good luck, and again, contact me if and when you have any questions.


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If you get those items - Two or three Joyetech Twists ($22 each), a couple of Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tanks, maybe 15 2.0 ohm Boge single coil stainless steel XL cartos, two chargers, a drip tip, a trim ring, and some juice, you will be miles ahead of the game. You just will.

If you haven't watched this video, PLEASE watch it. The above is EXACTLY what Grimm Green is vaping on and raving about.


THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer
 
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Thank you Outlaw for your video. I learned a lot. Also, thank you to vape nerd. I talked to my husband and we will not be going back to e-cig. I have been doing a lot of research and I realized that I dont think I want to fill my e-cig. So my question to the forum is, is there a good e-cig out there that I do not have to fill or do you all recommend I not be so lazy and go with the ones I have to fill?

Thanks

You don't have to fill the Volt - including the bigger X2 Volt. You can if you want, or you can buy pre-filled. I've ordered some Volts myself because they are just what I need - I can use them without being too conspicuous. Just ten days til they arrive, just ten more days.... (I live in a far, far away land - or so my friends keep saying)
 

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You don't have to fill the Volt - including the bigger X2 Volt. You can if you want, or you can buy pre-filled. I've ordered some Volts myself because they are just what I need - I can use them without being too conspicuous. Just ten days til they arrive, just ten more days.... (I live in a far, far away land - or so my friends keep saying)

OP: Please do not do not do not go with pre-filled cartomizers, no matter what they go on. And please only buy the (excellent for what it is) Volt unless you absolutely must have a ciggie look-alike.
 

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I have to ask... :2cool: Why not? I've used prefilled for 3 months and have just ordered my first juice. Prefilled is more expensive and prolly not as good, but it was ok for me for 3 months. And I've order a few more for emergencies. I can't always stop and fill with my lifestyle so I need an emergency back up. If I'm sitting at home then I could go something a bit more fiddly and with better punch. The provari looks cool but I can't see myself getting one. The X2 will be about my limit I think.
 

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I have to ask... :2cool: Why not? I've used prefilled for 3 months and have just ordered my first juice. Prefilled is more expensive and prolly not as good, but it was ok for me for 3 months. And I've order a few more for emergencies. I can't always stop and fill with my lifestyle so I need an emergency back up. If I'm sitting at home then I could go something a bit more fiddly and with better punch. The provari looks cool but I can't see myself getting one. The X2 will be about my limit I think.

You just answered it; because it is more expensive, and you're limited in your choices of flavors, when there are SOOOOOOOO many to choose from. Also, I don't think pre-filled cartridges function anywhere NEAR as well as a cartomizer by itself, a carto in a tank, a Vivi Nova, an eGo-W, a Stardust, or too many other attachments to name.

This thread alone offers almost 7,500 opinions on juices:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../215923-what-flavor-you-vaping-right-now.html

And don't wait until you get a Provari before you try variable voltage. With a $22 Joyetech eGo-C Tist, you can get pretty much the EXACT SAME VAPE with the right choice of attachment - like a 2.0 - 3.0 ohm single coil Boge cartomizer, either by itself, or inside a tank.

Volts are volts, ohms are ohms, watts are watts. The ProVari gets the same job done longer between charges, with a cool digital readout, and in STYLE, but the vape on the Twist can be virtually indistinguishable.
 
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I have looked at that thread. It's not as easy for me to order stuff - some suppliers don't ship here, some charge too much for shipping. Anything I buy I have to add the shipping in and then see if it's comparable to something as good that ships here. Shipping can vary from $10-$30. Big difference. I'd love to just buy one thing here and another there - but I'd pay more in shipping than it's worth. $2.99 for an adaptor plus $10 shipping. And then the exchange rate. lol. Also a lot harder for me to return stuff if I have to pay more shipping to send it back. So I'm going with SI for the moment. I can see you know a lot about vaping. Here no-one is allowed to sell any nicotine in their vaping products thanks to an over-hysterical govt. So we buy off shore. I think some folk here have bought provaris and the like. The other thing for me John is it's a bit of an adventure - I like slowly moving up to something else, experimenting a while with something.
 
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