1. Like a very large number of items in our lives, it will burn if used improperly. So will your car!
2. Yes, it's compatible.
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1. Like a very large number of items in our lives, it will burn if used improperly. So will your car!
2. Yes, it's compatible.
Sadly I dont think there will ever be a way to prevent carto's from burning from misuse. Atties burn from misuse as well. The atty wire on a carto is basically touching the filler with a thin layer of some kind of silica type fabric in between. So if you run it dry, yes its going to burn. Ive burnt one cart so far, which isnt bad.
Keep them topped off whenever you think about it and you should be fine. I can normally run one of his cartos at least 3/4 of a day without having to refill.
Keep them topped off whenever you think about it and you should be fine. I can normally run one of his cartos at least 3/4 of a day without having to refill.
I finally had the opportunity to bring one of these fine cartomizers to a logical and timely death. Which of course led to a full autopsy.
These cartomizers use a very interesting construction technique that is different from the "traditional" and old school KR808D-1 cartomizers that we are familiar with. The new style design should help to eliminate "hot spots" and should yield better liquid flow and vaporization. It also improves the vapor "flow path" with respect to the incoming air.
Looking down the center hole to make sure everything is "centered" and that you can see light through that hole is even more important on these units...
Kinda slick....
These cartomizers use a very interesting construction technique that is different from the "traditional" and old school KR808D-1 cartomizers that we are familiar with. The new style design should help to eliminate "hot spots" and should yield better liquid flow and vaporization. It also improves the vapor "flow path" with respect to the incoming air.
Looking down the center hole to make sure everything is "centered" and that you can see light through that hole is even more important on these units...
Kinda slick....
I finally had the opportunity to bring one of these fine cartomizers to a logical and timely death. Which of course led to a full autopsy.
May I ask what exactly was the cause of death? Dehydration?
These cartomizers use a very interesting construction technique that is different from the "traditional" and old school KR808D-1 cartomizers that we are familiar with. The new style design should help to eliminate "hot spots" and should yield better liquid flow and vaporization. It also improves the vapor "flow path" with respect to the incoming air.
Looking down the center hole to make sure everything is "centered" and that you can see light through that hole is even more important on these units...
That's why I think the removable end-cap is very important. Not just for convenience, but also to allow the user to inspect the carto's inside before and after refills to make sure everything is properly saturated and the center post is, indeed, in the center.
Kinda slick....
Sounds very interesting.
No.. no sock or marshmallows on this one. I was really careful with it.. kept it wet and did a cart condom refill on it whenever I thought it was getting even remotely close to going dry.
Over time (about 15 refills... give or take) the vapor production diminished a bit, the cart lost its "sizzle", and the throat hit diminished. The casing temperature started going up a bit too.
Based on my experience, those are classic symptoms of there being a void in the liquid delivery chain. The juice simply wasn't/isn't getting to the coil.
The autopsy verified the suspicion. A section of the inner wrap had "gone missing", and the outer batting in the immediate vicinity of the void had "retracted" back away from the coil. One can debate the "cause and effect" or "chicken and egg" on this one.. but the delivery path for the liquid had been violated.
Well, that's pretty impressive. Fifteen consecutive refills, without washing them, I presume, is very good. I never refill more than four or five times, anyway. And I'm yet to boil anything... I like the conveniece of use-refill-discard.
Thanks for the fascinating post mortem.
I see taking this model for a spin in my future too. Have some Drip Tips on order from Nhaler for use with both cartos and atties -- will make topping off easier or at least more fun (as do T-Tips I'm sure, but I particularly like the sound of using something much lighter but still durable).
Maybe at least re larger drains and subsequent refillings, a reinstatement of the old advice to let a carto (any carto) sit for a decent while afterward would be good. Don't hear that urged much anymore, but saw a post on another site where an experienced seller said it does take awhile for the liquid to fully penetrate those innermost areas, so that any remaining dryness won't contribute to other reactions.
Have some Drip Tips on order from Nhaler for use with both cartos and atties -- will make topping off easier or at least more fun (as do T-Tips I'm sure, but I particularly like the sound of using something much lighter but still durable). Maybe at least re larger drains and subsequent refillings, a reinstatement of the old advice to let a carto (any carto) sit for a decent while afterward would be good. Don't hear that urged much anymore, but saw a post on another site where an experienced seller said it does take awhile for the liquid to fully penetrate those innermost areas, so that any remaining dryness won't contribute to other reactions.
I have managed--mainly in an attempt to see how long a fill lasted--to taste a faint hint of sock. That's as far as I pushed it because... I am not willing to kill one unnecessarily till I have more, lol.
Thanks for playing Cartomizer Coroner, Scottbee. Since I'm spending the week doing a (personal, subjective) comparison between these and some other cartomizers, I've been really intrigued by how different they seem to be from both the standard design and other brand's premiums. So it's nice to see that maybe my perception isn't completely unsupported by fact.
I did find that out the hard way. I cleaned one using my typical routine (not because it needed cleaning but to see how it went). The atomizer wire/air flow tube/wick got slightly displaced. Very difficult to fix. That said, I've been getting plenty of refills w/out washing and using the carto-condom fill method I've had no problems at all. I may try a vodka soak/gentle rinse and blow-out just to see if they can be cleaned w/out rearranging the innards too much but even if not--I'm satisfied with their length of life and performance as is.
Thanks for playing Cartomizer Coroner, Scottbee. Since I'm spending the week doing a (personal, subjective) comparison between these and some other cartomizers, I've been really intrigued by how different they seem to be from both the standard design and other brand's premiums. So it's nice to see that maybe my perception isn't completely unsupported by fact.
I did find that out the hard way. I cleaned one using my typical routine (not because it needed cleaning but to see how it went). The atomizer wire/air flow tube/wick got slightly displaced. Very difficult to fix. That said, I've been getting plenty of refills w/out washing and using the carto-condom fill method I've had no problems at all. I may try a vodka soak/gentle rinse and blow-out just to see if they can be cleaned w/out rearranging the innards too much but even if not--I'm satisfied with their length of life and performance as is.
Belletrist,
I have kinda refined my carto-condom refill method for these specific cartomizers. I fill the condom 3/4+ with liquid. I push the condom on the battery end a little over halfway. Then I give the combo a couple of quick "thermometer whips" (holding the carto by the mouthpiece end). That is essentially a "quick and dirty, poor-mans Taryn spin). Then I push the condom the rest of the way on.
So far.. this has worked quite well for me.
I have kinda refined my carto-condom refill method for these specific cartomizers. I fill the condom 3/4+ with liquid. I push the condom on the battery end a little over halfway. Then I give the combo a couple of quick "thermometer whips" (holding the carto by the mouthpiece end). That is essentially a "quick and dirty, poor-mans Taryn spin). Then I push the condom the rest of the way on.
So far.. this has worked quite well for me.
Scott,
I'm... having trouble visualizing that. Seems you'd have a lot of liquid left in the carto-condom? My only issue so far as been finessing my refill amounts--first I was way underestimating the carto capacity, now I'm slightly overestimating it. (This isn't a 'problem' just me being finicky). If I do as well as you on refill #s, I probably won't be washing these anyways. So far so good--I have one that has slacked off a tad, but still out performing my other types of cartomizers. I'll tear it up (not as intelligently as you would) when it gives up the ghost, I'm sure.
I'm... having trouble visualizing that. Seems you'd have a lot of liquid left in the carto-condom? My only issue so far as been finessing my refill amounts--first I was way underestimating the carto capacity, now I'm slightly overestimating it. (This isn't a 'problem' just me being finicky). If I do as well as you on refill #s, I probably won't be washing these anyways. So far so good--I have one that has slacked off a tad, but still out performing my other types of cartomizers. I'll tear it up (not as intelligently as you would) when it gives up the ghost, I'm sure.
Hi Belletrist,
How do you rearrange the innards when you can't get the cap off?
I tried one of these to compare with a regular 808 carto but pretty much had to break the cap to get into it. When I did see inside, the atomizer was way off. No where near straight.
Belle,
On the first pass I only push it on about halfway... yes, with about half of the liquid still in the condom. Then I flick it a few times. This gets the liquid that is already in the carto down into filler (along side the metal air tube).
Then I push the condom on the rest of the way. Yes.. because you are filling from the battery end, you will end up with a few drops left in the condom. But... since the condom appears to fit "better" from the battery end (I only use the old V4L condoms that have the "bell mouth" and no nib in the bottom), you don't get as much on the sides of the carto and cleanup is hardly required at all.
It has been my experience that I get "better refills" when going from the battery end because the liquid can go up the air tube and then "waterfall" into the filler. If I try to go in from the mouthpiece end, I create an air pocket in the filler and the fluid won't "get up in there" as well.
It makes perfect sense to me.. and probably none to anybody else.
I'd draw a picture, but my dawg ate my crayons.
Not speaking for Belletrist (`cause I'm sure she's got a much purdier voice than I do), I personally go up through the hole in the battery end with a "plastic coated paperclip" that I have unfolded. It's just about the right size for these cartos. I go straight up and through.. spinning the carto on the paperclip wire... centering the element... until the paperclip comes out the mouthpiece end. Then I remove the paperclip, hold the carto up to a light.. and look down the bore. You should be able to see light and a clear bore.
Thank you Scott. I will give that a try. And they are okay to refill a few times?
As I said earlier:
"No.. no sock or marshmallows on this one. I was really careful with it.. kept it wet and did a cart condom refill on it whenever I thought it was getting even remotely close to going dry.
Over time (about 15 refills... give or take) the vapor production diminished a bit, the cart lost its "sizzle", and the throat hit diminished. The casing temperature started going up a bit too.
Based on my experience, those are classic symptoms of there being a void in the liquid delivery chain. The juice simply wasn't/isn't getting to the coil.
The autopsy verified the suspicion. A section of the inner wrap had "gone missing", and the outer batting in the immediate vicinity of the void had "retracted" back away from the coil. One can debate the "cause and effect" or "chicken and egg" on this one.. but the delivery path for the liquid had been violated."
So... yeah.. I refill them quite a few times.. but note my admonishments about the deterioration of the internals.
Uggg, sorry about that. I have such a headache I can barely think and I remember you stating that earlier. But, thank you for posting it again.
NP....
Every once in a while I remember what I said better than others do.
Only every once in a while though....
(Just ask my wife)
NP....
Every once in a while I remember what I said better than others do.
Only every once in a while though....
(Just ask my wife)
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*refrains from... sigh, why can't we call them something else?!*
Ah, okay--I didn't realize that was only the first pass you were describing. I fill these from the battery side too, seems to work better that way.
Also--skydragon, if you dip just the end of the carto (the cap side) into boiling water for about 30-40 seconds, it will loosen the glue. You can remove the cap, and use a Q-tip to get the rest of the glue out. The caps aren't too sturdy but they can be finessed out thisaway. I really haven't bothered since the first one I washed tho, since they refill very nicely.
eta: I don't have a particularly pretty voice, actually. I sound like a kid... with a more or less hillbilly accent depending on the company, lol.
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lately on the forums i've had to hold myself back from many that's what she said jokes... don't even get me started on people calling those things .... plugs! We've done away with those on the new ones anyways
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