New vapers, go rebuildable...

[wawiv22]

Maybe I'm the exception bc I'll know when something isn't right. I think the majority of new users want to get a tank and fill it, and want nothing to do with building coils and wicking. But yes it can definitely be dangerous. I used the Vuse e-cigs for a while so I knew what my vaping experience 'should be like'

+1 vaping and ESPECIALLY REBUILDABLES is very dangerous for new vapers

Most (if not all) coil building posts everywhere state "for experienced users ONLY" and for the posts out there on the internet that don't state that SHOULD! Rebuildables especially on a mech mod mean the coil you build will be the ONLY factor that determines the power your mech will produce... That's a lot of pressure, and if that's not, it should be! The battery will factor a bit (if you're going over the current rating for example) but not nearly as much as the coil.

 

[Oberon75]

Maybe I'm the exception bc I'll know when something isn't right. I think the majority of new users want to get a tank and fill it, and want nothing to do with building coils and wicking. But yes it can definitely be dangerous. I used the Vuse e-cigs for a while so I knew what my vaping experience 'should be like'

+1 Vaping and ESPECIALLY REBUILDABLES is very dangerous for new vapers

Most (if not all) coil building posts everywhere state "for experienced users ONLY" and for the posts out there on the internet that don't state that SHOULD! Rebuildables especially on a mech mod mean the coil you build will be the ONLY factor that determines the power your mech will produce... That's a lot of pressure, and if that's not, it should be! The battery will factor a bit (if you're going over the current rating for example) but not nearly as much as the coil.

It's only really dangerous on mechs though which most new vapers aren't using. Building on a regulated device is pretty much fool proof.

Do we say new users shouldn't be building? Or should we be saying new users shouldn't use mechanical mods?

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[Mellowbuzz]

It's only really dangerous on mechs though which most new vapers aren't using. Building on a regulated device is pretty much fool proof.

Do we say new users shouldn't be building? Or should we be saying new users shouldn't use mechanical mods?

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

I’m not quite sure why you’re challenging nearly every post that suggests new vapers should learn the mechanics of safety and batteries before venturing into rebuildables. You keep stressing that regulated mods are “foolproof” and newbies aren’t using mechanicals, and you can’t be more mistaken. Newbies ARE walking around with mechanicals. And accidents DO happen with regulated mods. To suggest that anything about vaping is foolproof and that basic safety measures should be ignored (or not learned in the first place) is completely irresponsible. Fact of the matter is….the basic safety measures SHOULD be known and practiced religiously by anyone using a mod, regardless if they are rebuilding or not. To suggest a new vaper jump right into rebuildables without having taken the progressive steps needed in order to learn safety is imprudent.

I have to ask, why? Why at a time when all eyes are on vapers, and the safety aspect of vaping, at a time when we are seeing news reports every other day about a mod exploding (from an inexperienced vaper most of the time), at a time when government entities are demanding regulations, why on earth would anyone suggest that a newbie jump into rebuildables?

I mean….is it just me? Am I overreacting here?

 

[wawiv22]

I’m not quite sure why you’re challenging nearly every post that suggests new vapers should learn the mechanics of safety and batteries before venturing into rebuildables. You keep stressing that regulated mods are “foolproof” and newbies aren’t using mechanicals, and you can’t be more mistaken. Newbies ARE walking around with mechanicals. And accidents DO happen with regulated mods. To suggest that anything about vaping is foolproof and that basic safety measures should be ignored (or not learned in the first place) is completely irresponsible. Fact of the matter is….the basic safety measures SHOULD be known and practiced religiously by anyone using a mod, regardless if they are rebuilding or not. To suggest a new vaper jump right into rebuildables without having taken the progressive steps needed in order to learn safety is imprudent.

I have to ask, why? Why at a time when all eyes are on vapers, and the safety aspect of vaping, at a time when we are seeing news reports every other day about a mod exploding (from an inexperienced vaper most of the time), at a time when government entities are demanding regulations, why on earth would anyone suggest that a newbie jump into rebuildables?

I mean….is it just me? Am I overreacting here?

I started with a regulated Sigelei 15 W and then got a stingray clone <== proof that new vapers DO get mechanical mods, and I definitely regret that decision. Regulated mods are not fool proof like Mellow said.

Mellow I don't think I am experienced enough to 'say' whether you're overreacting or not but I don't think you are. I am more and more regretting my first post in this thread. Let's just say in electrical engineering labs we use 1/4 W resistors, that's 0.25 Watts people... and 15W, 20W-150W "regulated" mods are making a LOT of power and should not be messed with.

New vapers, start with a NON-RBA tank and vape on that while you read MANY MANY posts about rebuildables, it's a lot of work that takes LOTS of practice and VERY careful execution.... Be SMART and be CAREFUL new vapers....

 

[Oberon75]

I’m not quite sure why you’re challenging nearly every post that suggests new vapers should learn the mechanics of safety and batteries before venturing into rebuildables. You keep stressing that regulated mods are “foolproof” and newbies aren’t using mechanicals, and you can’t be more mistaken. Newbies ARE walking around with mechanicals. And accidents DO happen with regulated mods. To suggest that anything about vaping is foolproof and that basic safety measures should be ignored (or not learned in the first place) is completely irresponsible. Fact of the matter is….the basic safety measures SHOULD be known and practiced religiously by anyone using a mod, regardless if they are rebuilding or not. To suggest a new vaper jump right into rebuildables without having taken the progressive steps needed in order to learn safety is imprudent.

I have to ask, why? Why at a time when all eyes are on vapers, and the safety aspect of vaping, at a time when we are seeing news reports every other day about a mod exploding (from an inexperienced vaper most of the time), at a time when government entities are demanding regulations, why on earth would anyone suggest that a newbie jump into rebuildables?

I mean….is it just me? Am I overreacting here?

Can you link me to a single accident involving a variable wattage regulated device? Because if not, you are overreacting. I've done days of research on such happenings before buying my first RDA and cannot find a single example. So unless you can show me otherwise, I'm going to say you are overreacting. Just buy a trusted battery and you aren't going to have issues.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[NancyR]

Another point with all this that many seem to over look, to be successful at vaping to get off smoking you need to find what works for you. Not everyone will like the vape they get off an rda just as not everyone likes carto tanks.

I have a friend that has many rda's but yet his main every day vape is just a plain ol Cisco 306 on his provari (he also has a lot of different mods), another friend of mine who also has a lot of rda's and rba's, her go to is a carto tank. I happen to have rda's and rba's and my go to is split between a 901 and a genesis atomizer. None of us would know that is what we prefered if we HAD NOT tried other things.

 

[NancyR]

Can you link me to a single accident involving a variable wattage regulated device? Because if not, you are overreacting. I've done days of research on such happenings before buying my first RDA and cannot find a single example. So unless you can show me otherwise, I'm going to say you are overreacting. Just buy a trusted battery and you aren't going to have issues.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

here is one of a lot of different ones out Cloupor Mini May have Serious Charging Safety Issues | The Grumpy Vaper

 

[wawiv22]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/276do3/be_very_careful_with_your_cana_mod/?sort=confidence

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/28p5ha/hana_modz_clone_caught_fire_twice/

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/27ijxv/ecr_lets_talk_about_the_cana_mod_and_safety/

^^ links to things going wrong on a regulated device, yes yes you can say these might have been special cases but that's how things always go wrong. It's ALWAYS a 'perfect storm' of one small thing here and there going wrong and in the end they all combine for some horrible accident...

so many things can happen with wires, shorts, not checking the coils resistance, not firing to test to see if they get red from the middle, so many thing can happen to cause a mod to fire at an unpredicted power level, the regulated mod may not fire correctly, wrong batteries, leaking batteries.... I'm sorry you can't say Mellow is overreacting and "nothing can go wrong" wires come loose all the time in all types of electronic devices....

the point is people need to be careful with RBAs, lots of things can go wrong, not saying the probability of things going wrong is 99%, just saying that it CAN HAPPEN ....
ESPECIALLY with those that are new to vaping...

 

[Strings]

I just read through 9 pages of people attempting to defend "but MY way is the Right Way!"

Seriously? This argument is worse the "Glock vs 1911" on the gun boards

You're using a Nautilus on an iStick, and it works great for you? Cool! Stick with it!

You weren't happy until you got a Provari and an authentic Kayfun v4, but now have a satisfying vape? Cool! Stick with it!

You hand machined your own custom atty, and power it via a Honda generator? Cool! Stick with it!

Ye gawds, people: we're supposed to be about personal choice! The is no "One True Way"

 

[Rucerius]

Can you link me to a single accident involving a variable wattage regulated device? Because if not, you are overreacting. I've done days of research on such happenings before buying my first RDA and cannot find a single example. So unless you can show me otherwise, I'm going to say you are overreacting. Just buy a trusted battery and you aren't going to have issues.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

Here's another regulated mod catching fire:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/655742-mod-set-fire.html

 

[defdock]

I just read through 9 pages of people attempting to defend "but MY way is the Right Way!"

Seriously? This argument is worse the "Glock vs 1911" on the gun boards

You're using a Nautilus on an iStick, and it works great for you? Cool! Stick with it!

You weren't happy until you got a Provari and an authentic Kayfun v4, but now have a satisfying vape? Cool! Stick with it!

You hand machined your own custom atty, and power it via a Honda generator? Cool! Stick with it!

Ye gawds, people: we're supposed to be about personal choice! The is no "One True Way"

i dont think its more of a "my way is right" kinds of arguement - tho people seem to post what works for *them*.


but the underlying point across the board still remains - LEARN before you jump into ANYTHING.

even "regulated devices" such as egos - ive had 2 fry, and one that had no "ohm limit" so putting a .2 coil on it would fire and draw excess battery amps and "could" cause an issue/injury.

as most point out, its very dangerous, and the ONLY thing keeping that device safe(chips or not) - is YOUR knowledge on it and how YOU operate/build it.


yes, its irresponsible for B&Ms to not educate the masses that walk into their shops, but that shouldnt be their job - if some one can "learn" of a safe way to switch smoking, then they have the mental capacity to "learn" how to use it properly.

 

[Oberon75]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/276do3/be_very_careful_with_your_cana_mod/?sort=confidence

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/28p5ha/hana_modz_clone_caught_fire_twice/

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/27ijxv/ecr_lets_talk_about_the_cana_mod_and_safety/

^^ links to things going wrong on a regulated device, yes yes you can say these might have been special cases but that's how things always go wrong. It's ALWAYS a 'perfect storm' of one small thing here and there going wrong and in the end they all combine for some horrible accident...

so many things can happen with wires, shorts, not checking the coils resistance, not firing to test to see if they get red from the middle, so many thing can happen to cause a mod to fire at an unpredicted power level, the regulated mod may not fire correctly, wrong batteries, leaking batteries.... I'm sorry you can't say Mellow is overreacting and "nothing can go wrong" wires come loose all the time in all types of electronic devices....

the point is people need to be careful with RBAs, lots of things can go wrong, not saying the probability of things going wrong is 99%, just saying that it CAN HAPPEN ....
ESPECIALLY with those that are new to vaping...

But which of those links shows anything about a regulated device exploding from a rebuildable?

Now sure, accidents can happen however I would be much more concerned with recommending somebody A mod with a non-removable battery potentially starting a house fire while charging then I am with somebody building a simple 26g to 28g single coil on an RDA or RTA.



Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[defdock]

and to say it again - since you bring it up

This argument is worse the "Glock vs 1911" on the gun boards

these are just as deadly as a gun. ---- but it depends on the USER holding/operating it.


do you think, the workers at gun shops "educate" EVERY body that walks in about guns? no - just the few who ASK.

how many of these new vapors who buy these mods and such from B&Ms ask how to use them safely? - im willing to bet 1 out of a million

 

[Puff2K]

How do I use my mvp20 safely?

 

[defdock]

How do I use my mvp20 safely?

check your coils before firing them - rebuild or not - check to see if they are in the "specified ohm range"

dont leave your mvp charging over night

clean out the 510 connection every once in a while of all gunk.

and for the love of god, dont put it in water

 

[Oberon75]

Here's another regulated mod catching fire:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/655742-mod-set-fire.html

You guys are moving goal posts. Again. Had nothing to do with rebuilding.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[NancyR]

check your coils before firing them - rebuild or not - check to see if they are in the "specified ohm range"

dont leave your mvp charging over night

clean out the 510 connection every once in a while of all gunk.

and for the love of god, dont put it in water

I am going to add, it is better for the battery (built in or not) to let it rest after use before charging and after charging before using again. Letting it rest for 6 hours after use and for about an hour after charging will help extend the life of the cell.

 

[NancyR]

You guys are moving goal posts. Again. Had nothing to do with rebuilding.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

having to do with rebuilding or not, it shows that regulated devices are not as fool-proof as you keep saying they are

 

[Puff2K]

check your coils before firing them - rebuild or not - check to see if they are in the "specified ohm range"

dont leave your mvp charging over night

clean out the 510 connection every once in a while of all gunk.

and for the love of god, dont put it in water

Thanks! What is the 510 connection? What should I be looking for on the coils? Thanks. And why shouldn't I charge it overnight? (I charge my phones overnight).

 

[Oberon75]

having to do with rebuilding or not, it shows that regulated devices are not as fool-proof as you keep saying they are

So then maybe we should quit using them and start chewing gum. Because there are obviously greater dangers then telling a new vaper he shouldn't be building a coil which nobody can prove to me in a single link.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition