New vapers, go rebuildable...

[doc2281]

I know a lot of this will probably have been said in earlier posts in this thread, but here's my 2 cents for what its worth.

I think there's two different schools of thought .. It's kind of like the difference between someone who'd rather buy parts and build a computer from scratch, versus someone that goes to Best Buy and picks something up off the shelf. You have the tinkerer mindset, versus the "just work" mindset. The "just work" mindset is always going to be more expensive in the end. Some people are going to find it hard to wrap a coil, I guess .. but those people try once, twice, maybe three times, and go back to buying pre-made coils. I personally don't like to have to wait on shipping for something that right now, being new to this and having just stopped smoking analogs, I'm sort of dependent on. So because of my hacker mentality, I'll find a way to do it myself cheaper.

I personally have always been into tinkering. I'm a computer geek by trade, and I've always loved doing things "manually" and figuring out how they work. vaping is a perfect hobby to cater to that type of mindset, imo.

Furthermore, I love the community mentality that goes along with vaping, and the support I've gotten so far from not only my friends and family but ... I've only been active on this board for a couple of days, but you guys have been awesome, and I can't thank you enough for the tips and support. That level of support, combined with my "if there's a way to do it, I'll find it" mentality makes me determined to explore this to it's fullest potential. Having only been vaping for 2 weeks or so, I can honestly say I fell in love with it.

As I write all this I'm sitting here puffing away on my my innokin VV, but some of the earlier posts hit the nail on the head when they say you have to crawl before you can walk/run. I think someone that has electronics knowledge will find it easier to grasp the concepts of more advanced vaping, but I'm not ready to go out and spend a lot of money on a mod that can handle that level before I'm sure I know what the hell I'm doing. I only wish there was more of a vaping community here locally, because it would be so much fun to get together with different people that are enthusiastic about this like we are, and exchange knowledge. This board will more than suffice for that for the time being

Just my thoughts. lol

 

[Zealous]

How hard is it to wrap some wire around a drill bit and then attach it to an atty with a screwdriver?

Well, it's actually really hard if you have eye problems or if you have problems with your hands like arthritis.

In all fairness, as I said above, I do use an RDA 99% of the time and I do find it most convenient and consistent for ME. But I have recently had some serious eye issues & I am very thankful to have had prebuilt heads on hand and a device to use them with.

When i can see what I'm doing the RDA is definitely my first choice. But when my eyes hurt, the prebuilt heads are nice to have on hand.

 

[NancyR]

Well, it's actually really hard if you have eye problems or if you have problems with your hands like arthritis.

In all fairness, as I said above, I do use an RDA 99% of the time and I do find it most convenient and consistent for ME. But I have recently had some serious eye issues & I am very thankful to have had prebuilt heads on hand and a device to use them with.

When i can see what I'm doing the RDA is definitely my first choice. But when my eyes hurt, the prebuilt heads are nice to have on hand.

So very true, in Jan of 2012 (the year I started vaping) I had to have cataract surgery on both eyes, the lenses I now have do not do so well for close up or detail work. While I do like to tinker so do have rda's I find I need to double up the reading glasses just to wrap a coil, which is a funny sight I am sure.

 

[AndyDilts]

I would agree that going with the rebuildables is much cheaper.

 

[Oberon75]

For some of our members, very hard.

Bear in mind, we do not cater just to young, wet behind the ears individuals. We have a very wide age range on ECF from folks in their late teens to those in their 70s. There are some who find it extremely difficult to wrap anything, let alone a coil.

When I first started, I refused to go the rebuildable route. Didn't want to hear it, didn't want to do it. Period. End of discussion. I knew my limitations at the time, and knew what I wanted to start off with. Even now, I find the clearo/pre-built head route is far easier and convenient. My time is limited and tinkering around with RBAs is often not going to be on the day's agenda.

And for those people, you can buy prewrapped coils extremely cheap. Now all you have to do is tighten it down and slide some cotton in. Now sure. There might be people out there who find this complicated. And perhaps they should start slow but I think your average Joe will do perfectly fine.

Now RBA's might be a different ballgame but I find tanks in general to be a huge hassle. Meanwhile my $15 Plume Veil clone is about 95% maintenance free if dripping is something you don't mind. I'm using a very strong cinnamon vape at the moment and will be vaping my Apple Paczki shortly.

In my early days, I would have had to scrub the crap out of the tank, soak it in alcohol or white vinegar, scrub it again and possibly go back to the B&M for a new BVC because my old one will taste like cinnamon forever. Now all I have to do is vape the cinnamon close to dry and drip my bakery vape. No muss, no fuss, no tinkering. I change the cotton every few days and can use the same coil for weeks.

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[Oberon75]

You forget that people come from a lot of different backgrounds, and some seem to have no problem breaking an anvil.

Well in that case, shouldn't we be recommending everybody starts with a cigalike?

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[Oberon75]

It isn't about rather it is complicated, it is about rather it is SAFE, and FYI some of us do own and use way more rebuildables than you may think. Because of this we know the ins and outs of both, and when using a "disposable" atty you don't to replace anything when you change flavors.

The majority of our regulated devices are very safe. And if you build wrong, the device isn't going to explode. It's just not going to fire.

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[NancyR]

The majority of our regulated devices are very safe. And if you build wrong, the device isn't going to explode. It's just not going to fire.

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Not everyone is using the latest and greatest when they rebuild, and sadly that will continue to be the case as long as cloud comps insist on mechs not regulated devices

 

[rhean]

The majority of our regulated devices are very safe. And if you build wrong, the device isn't going to explode. It's just not going to fire.

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...in fact, an istick or an mvp might be safer than a generic ego type thing with its dubious charger. A while ago I got curious about my old protanks, filled one up, tried it, and it was, omg I quit using THIS??? It was not satisfying. However, I did quit using that. It really was the easier option.

I started my son's friend on an mvp and a dripper, as drippers are hassle free, no weird flooding issues, etc. I built his coils for the first month or so, and now he's building his own and has bought himself some other rdas. The thing is, I was there to help him. I gave him some kanthal, gave him some cotton. It's harder to start that way if you're relying on a b&m far from home, or youtube videos, or if you're ordering wire sight unseen, etc.

 

[Oberon75]

Not everyone is using the latest and greatest when they rebuild, and sadly that will continue to be the case as long as cloud comps insist on mechs not regulated devices

True but I also think the majority of us are regulated. I mean most of the talk in the new members section as well as the general sections are about iSticks, MVP's Sigelei, iPV, DNA, etc.

I don't recommend a mech to new vapers and I don't believe that even a lot of seasoned vapers should be using them. Ive never owned a mech and probably never will. I always want that safety net.

I just think of the hassle vaping was for me in the beginning and that would have been much more simplified with a low maintenance rebuildable. I could have bought a Vapor Flask with all the money I wasted.

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[NancyR]

True but I also think the majority of us are regulated. I mean most of the talk in the new members section as well as the general sections are about iSticks, MVP's Sigelei, iPV, DNA, etc.

I don't recommend a mech to new vapers and I don't believe that even a lot of seasoned vapers should be using them. Ive never owned a mech and probably never will. I always want that safety net.

I just think of the hassle vaping was for me in the beginning and that would have been much more simplified with a low maintenance rebuildable. I could have bought a Vapor Flask with all the money I wasted.

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Personally I own and use both, but again not everyone's vape is the same, nor are their juice choices Even using 510 attys you could have saved money and never once rebuilt anything, you chose to rebuild.

As to the number of people using mechs, I read mech questions in the new members area all the time, there is a large number of new vapers using them because they believe (however misinformed they are) that is the only way to get the clouds they want.

 

[2legsshrt]

I actually agree with the OP about rebuildables. People act like it's some complicated thing to build a coil but in reality, even a 10 year old could do it. I mean let's be honest here. How hard is it to wrap some wire around a drill bit and then attach it to an atty with a screwdriver?

To me, tanks are what is complicated. Always washing and soaking them to get the old flavor out. Constantly needing new coils if you want to switch flavors. Easy to burn up if you didn't prime first or brought your watts to high for the coil. Or you cracked it because you used the wrong juice.

With an RDA, all you do is drip. If you're bored of your flavor, you drip a different one. Coil gunked? Slide in a new piece of cotton.

It took me a long time to try rebuildables because opinions like the ones in this thread always discouraged me. Then when I bought my first rebuildable, I made a decent enough build on my very first attempt. Vaping was also much more simple. It kinda ticked me off that I listened to popular opinion from people who have never used them and didn't go this route from the very beginning. For it cost me lots of money, lots of time and lots of headache.

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RTA's if you want to change flavors just take out the wick wash all the parts with hot water dryburn the coil and rewick. In the case of the Kanger sub mini the wick if you have it cut right just change the juice flavor in a few vapes you'll have the new flavor. If you find coil building that easy you should know that the coils in a tank will last for a couple of months. I'm speaking of an RTA like Kayfun, Kanger with the RBA section. Once you rinse them off and blow as much water as possible out just put it on your mod pulse it till it glows let it cool and brush it off gently there will be some ash. If the coil isn't perfect at that point just give it a squeeze with the tweezers if it needs to be straightened use the drill bit you made it on.

 

[Oberon75]

...in fact, an istick or an mvp might be safer than a generic ego type thing with its dubious charger. A while ago I got curious about my old protanks, filled one up, tried it, and it was, omg I quit using THIS??? It was not satisfying. However, I did quit using that. It really was the easier option.

I started my son's friend on an mvp and a dripper, as drippers are hassle free, no weird flooding issues, etc. I built his coils for the first month or so, and now he's building his own and has bought himself some other rdas. The thing is, I was there to help him. I gave him some kanthal, gave him some cotton. It's harder to start that way if you're relying on a b&m far from home, or youtube videos, or if you're ordering wire sight unseen, etc.

And if people do have issues in the beginning, there are always premade coils like these you can buy.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/161616908203

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[2legsshrt]

I know a lot of this will probably have been said in earlier posts in this thread, but here's my 2 cents for what its worth.

I think there's two different schools of thought .. It's kind of like the difference between someone who'd rather buy parts and build a computer from scratch, versus someone that goes to Best Buy and picks something up off the shelf. You have the tinkerer mindset, versus the "just work" mindset. The "just work" mindset is always going to be more expensive in the end. Some people are going to find it hard to wrap a coil, I guess .. but those people try once, twice, maybe three times, and go back to buying pre-made coils. I personally don't like to have to wait on shipping for something that right now, being new to this and having just stopped smoking analogs, I'm sort of dependent on. So because of my hacker mentality, I'll find a way to do it myself cheaper.

I personally have always been into tinkering. I'm a computer geek by trade, and I've always loved doing things "manually" and figuring out how they work. Vaping is a perfect hobby to cater to that type of mindset, imo.

Furthermore, I love the community mentality that goes along with vaping, and the support I've gotten so far from not only my friends and family but ... I've only been active on this board for a couple of days, but you guys have been awesome, and I can't thank you enough for the tips and support. That level of support, combined with my "if there's a way to do it, I'll find it" mentality makes me determined to explore this to it's fullest potential. Having only been vaping for 2 weeks or so, I can honestly say I fell in love with it.

As I write all this I'm sitting here puffing away on my my innokin VV, but some of the earlier posts hit the nail on the head when they say you have to crawl before you can walk/run. I think someone that has electronics knowledge will find it easier to grasp the concepts of more advanced vaping, but I'm not ready to go out and spend a lot of money on a mod that can handle that level before I'm sure I know what the hell I'm doing. I only wish there was more of a vaping community here locally, because it would be so much fun to get together with different people that are enthusiastic about this like we are, and exchange knowledge. This board will more than suffice for that for the time being

Just my thoughts. lol

That's the way it is here. Vaping never caught on. I made a friend at Provape and over the years I have conversed with Phil Busardo a lot on what to get what not to get and people on ECF. It's like I said get a good RTA like that Kayfun clone I mentioned and use it to learn on but have a back up. The Kayfun was the first one to come out with the design they have and still have some of the best flavor of any of them. But you don't have to jump out and buy a $100 atty or in the V4 $190. I still use the same coil Busardo taught me to wrap to this day. I have it in 10 RTA's right now. I tried others but came back. The nickel is the one that got me. I have finally given up on that.

 

[Mellowbuzz]

Most people will recommend easy stuff to new vapers.

Unfortunately. easy or lazy vaping costs a ton of money. Disposable coil attys are a good easy way to start vaping. Nautilus mini with the new 2015 cotton big juice holes on the coil are amazing. But please transition to sustainable vaping asap. Sustainable vaping means utilizing a rebuildable atty versus a disposable atty coil. Also learn to brew your own e-juice. A gallon of flavored juice can be made for 30 bucks or less.

Completely disagree.

You can't recommend a new vaper to start rebuilding without having a fair knowledge about battery safety, Ohms law and safe building practices....what NOT to do and what is okay to do. There's a lot to learn in order to get to that point, and the only way to learn it is do it. We all did.

That, and some people don't want to do all that for whatever reasons. Some people want something easy and fast.

 

[2legsshrt]

The thing I like about the MVP is it has a straight signal not Pulse Width Modulation to achieve its set voltage. Not very many of the more reasonable VV have that they have PWM which I notice a difference. Until recently that is all the Chinese used but they are getting more advanced in their copying others. And until the DNA 40 they had no buck boost technology or reverse battery protection. Put your battery in backwards and that was the end of your board. The Provari was the first and in my mind for that and other things they have done will still be one of the most innovative ecigs on the market. Plus the build quality I still have my V1 which I had converted to a V2 because of the amperage limitation they came out with on the 1st one. It still works perfectly after how ever long it has been since they came out with the first Provari. Seems like about 4 years.

 

[Oberon75]

Completely disagree.

You can't recommend a new vaper to start rebuilding without having a fair knowledge about battery safety, Ohms law and safe building practices....what NOT to do and what is okay to do. There's a lot to learn in order to get to that point, and the only way to learn it is do it. We all did.

That, and some people don't want to do all that for whatever reasons. Some people want something easy and fast.

As I said earlier though, that's all a lot more relevant to rebuilding on mechanicals. You don't really need much more then a trustworthy battery on a regulated device. If I did something wrong on my DNA 40 or iPV2S or MVP2.0, the mods just not going to fire.

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[Mellowbuzz]

As I said earlier though, that's all a lot more relevant to rebuilding on mechanicals. You don't really need much more then a trustworthy battery on a regulated device. If I did something wrong on my DNA 40 or iPV2S or MVP2.0, the mods just not going to fire.

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Yeah...but not everyone has a regulated device. The OP suggests newbies explore a hobby where dangerous circumstances can exist without the knowledge of knowing how to avoid those circumstances.

YOUR mod won't fire.....and that's good. But not everyone has your mod.

 

[OlderNDirt]

I take exception to referring to prebuilt coils and buying store juice as "easy and lazy" vaping.

It very well may be "more work and effort" for me to fill a tank then it is for you to make/install a coil and brew up your gallon of juice. My local store was kind enough to build me a coil for a Freakshow I wanted to try, but alas, I couldn't successfully drip it without juice going everywhere. So it sits.

With a little luck, you may just manage to avoid essential tremors as you age. Some of us have not been so lucky and there are far more of us then you can imagine.

And FYI, it took over 20 minutes just to type this response.

 

[2legsshrt]

Personally I own and use both, but again not everyone's vape is the same, nor are their juice choices Even using 510 attys you could have saved money and never once rebuilt anything, you chose to rebuild.

As to the number of people using mechs, I read mech questions in the new members area all the time, there is a large number of new vapers using them because they believe (however misinformed they are) that is the only way to get the clouds they want.

And that is where inexperience comes in. You can blow clouds with a Provari P3 and a Kanger sub using the 1.2 head at 20w the max on a P3