New Variable Voltage device from smoktech?

[VAPNJ350]

And this brings me to something else: I have a Smoktech Woo (aka the M-80), and I've had trouble with using AW ICR 123's in it, but IMR 16340's work fine. I'm thinking that the ICR 123's, being protected, don't like the amount of drain that the Woo is calling for (depending on the load put on it), and they shut down. Is this likely what's going on? Also, also being a Smoktech product, will the VMax do better with unprotected batteries like the AW IMR 18650's that I've already bought for it than with protected batteries of the same size?[/QUOTE]

John, Thats not the 1st time I've heard that about the Woo, it seems to like the high drains(IMR) just stick with em. And IMR's are protected just not with a PCB circuit chipset on top of them like the AW ICR's (black & chrome labeled) the IMR's are chemically protected. You said you bought 18650's for the Vmax above,did I misunderstand you,did you mean the woo? FYI, if you put a 18650 in the VMAX it just flashes "Lo", sooo it won't work, I recommend the 18350's it calls for,yes 16340's will work but loosely,"batt rat ta tat tat rattle".....HATE IT!

 

[KeysBum]

Man oh man, I just wouldn't. I just hate to see batteries rattling around inside a device, even a llittle bit. For the cost of batteries, I'd just go for a nice snug fit.

And this brings me to something else: I have a Smoktech Woo (aka the M-80), and I've had trouble with using AW ICR 123's in it, but IMR 16340's work fine. I'm thinking that the ICR 123's, being protected, don't like the amount of drain that the Woo is calling for (depending on the load put on it), and they shut down. Is this likely what's going on? Also, also being a Smoktech product, will the VMax do better with unprotected batteries like the AW IMR 18650's that I've already bought for it than with protected batteries of the same size?

I hear what you are saying, and agree. I don't like a loose fit or a rattle either. But if you've had a Buzz Pro, you know that the ICR 123's fit loose. I and many buzz owners "shim" the batteries with a piece of business card to make it tight. The Buzz can "almost" take the diameter of an 18***. I really like the performance of the Powerizers that notcigs sells for the Buzz much more than the protected AW's. They last longer. If I can shim a powerizer with a business card and make it tight in the Vmax (or a mini LT), I'll be using a battery I have used a lot and trust. Short term solution until I can find an 18350 that has been vetted.

Try the powerizers in your Woo. I think you'll like them.

 

[Creniker]

Arnt powerizers unprotected? Are we sure the protection the the vmax is adequate to use unprotected batteries?

 

[KeysBum]

Arnt powerizers unprotected? Are we sure the protection the the vmax is adequate to use unprotected batteries?

I am by no means a battery expert. A novice would be a more accurate description. But I believe from what I've read the powerizers are unprotected, but safe chemistry. No one that I've heard of has ever had a problem with them in a Buzz Pro. Buzz Pro's I am told have built in protection. VAPNJ350, chime in here, but I think I've read that the VMax has the same protections.

EDIT: I know I don't understand (or believe) 100% of what I read about batteries, but it seems to me the protected vs. unprotected applies to mechanical mods as opposed to mods with circuit boards. Circuit boards are PFM to me, but if you are going to put in a circuit board, aren’t you going to build in the over amp protections?

 

[John D in CT]

John, Thats not the 1st time I've heard that about the Woo, it seems to like the high drains(IMR) just stick with em. And IMR's are protected just not with a PCB circuit chipset on top of them like the AW ICR's (black & chrome labeled) the IMR's are chemically protected. You said you bought 18650's for the Vmax above,did I misunderstand you,did you mean the woo? FYI, if you put a 18650 in the VMAX it just flashes "Lo", sooo it won't work, I recommend the 18350's it calls for,yes 16340's will work but loosely,"batt rat ta tat tat rattle".....HATE IT!

Uh-oh, an unprecedented and deeply disturbing malfunction of the JD9000 Computer. Something tells me we're not going to make it to Jupiter after all.....

Little brain cramp there - meant to say 18350, four of which are sitting right in front of me. Oh well, just like getting the first dent in a new car, I'm actually kind of relieved I finally made a mistake. lol

And that does it VAP; I'm coming over to your house, you're going to show me how to use a 'scope, and I'm going to show you how to use quotes!!!

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Oops, meant to quote this as well:

Try the powerizers in your Woo. I think you'll like them.

Thanks kb, I'll give them a whirl in the Woo.

 

[Creniker]

I dont think there safe chemistry at all. I would certainly double check before you use them in any mod.

 

[LookMa`NoSmoK]

Any video reviews in english on this yet?

 

[MickeyRat]

Try the powerizers in your Woo. I think you'll like them.

I'm not sure the Woo has built in battery protection. If it doesn't, don't use these batts in it. They are not protected and should not be used in mods that don't have their own battery protection!!!!

 

[skipdashu]

WOOOOO! Hey man I've got 2 Vmax's and 8, 18350's and none of mine get stuck in the end cap at all,atleast 1mm or just over a mil to spare. What is going on with those AW's....did you ever over charge those past 4.23v to the point of swelling? IMR'should NEVER go past 4.23 volts out of the charger,if they do go get a ULTRAFIRE WF-188,IT CHARGES 18350 IMR in 42 minutes flat everytime to 4.21 volts flawlessly. You might want to keep a close eye on those batts,who did you get those thru? Just curious?

No, they're not swollen. Check the diameters I gave. They've never seen over 4.20v out of my TR-001. My TR-003P4 goes to 4.23 but these have never been in it. My other IMRs do the same thing... in fact, they are slightly tighter. Do you have a dial or digital inside caliper you could measure your cap?

 

[skipdashu]

Agreed, and also (somehow) makes me wonder out loud if we'll ever see an 18700; seems to me you could cram even more mahs into one battery that size than two 18350's.

Man oh man, I just wouldn't. I just hate to see batteries rattling around inside a device, even a llittle bit. For the cost of batteries, I'd just go for a nice snug fit.

And this brings me to something else: I have a Smoktech Woo (aka the M-80), and I've had trouble with using AW ICR 123's in it, but IMR 16340's work fine. I'm thinking that the ICR 123's, being protected, don't like the amount of drain that the Woo is calling for (depending on the load put on it), and they shut down. Is this likely what's going on? Also, also being a Smoktech product, will the VMax do better with unprotected batteries like the AW IMR 18650's that I've already bought for it than with protected batteries of the same size?

A single cell (18650 or any other) isn't going to put out 'nuff volts to run the VMax.

Good chance that's what's happening in the Woo but I'm not familiar with it.

Based on my original attempts at cramming batteries... protected 18350s are not likely to fit VMax (for sure Ultrafires don't).

 

[skipdashu]

I dont think there safe chemistry at all. I would certainly double check before you use them in any mod.

To best of my knowledge u r right. I believe they are unprotected standard Cobalt Li-Ion. I use a pair in my Buzz but do not use them in any non-electronic stacked battery mod.

BTW, someplace on here I posted how I put one of my protected 18350s into thermal run away... don't recall where though... hmmm.

l8r, Skip

 

[Butters78]

I wouldnt run my powerizers in anything other than the buzz products or the new VV reos of course.

 

[skipdashu]

Any video reviews in english on this yet?

I had a picture in a post back a page or two... does that count? ;-)

 

[skipdashu]

All About Vapor will have the batteries and charger for them soon. they just wanted to make the V-Max available to Vapors that already had the batteries and chargers.

Kewl, They are short 10 mile drive away.

 

[skipdashu]

I blame Creniker, and Canada, and not necessarily in that order.
...

This brings me back to that age old question I never get answered... just why can't I own a Canadian?

 

[John D in CT]

I'm not sure the Woo has built in battery protection. If it doesn't, don't use these batts in it. They are not protected and should not be used in mods that don't have their own battery protection!!!!

What's that? I can't hear you with all this ringing in my ears.

Fortunately, I'm using the protected ones right now - the ICR 123's - but that's an "excellent safety pointer", as said in "Ghostbusters". I will mos def look into that very intently.

Why haven't I already determined the safety features on this high-powered device that I have my face glued to? Bueller? .... Bueller? ..... Anyone?

Yes, skip, you had your hand up first ...

"Uh, because you're an idiot?"

That's right, it's because I'm an idiot! Excellent job! lolol

 

[Creniker]

Guys I hate to be a buzzkill but PLEASE do not use the powerizer batteries in ANY mod that does not have built in protection. This includes the WOO. It could BLOW UP. I hate to be dramatic, but due to recent events, we cannot stess how potentially unsafe these batteries may be. Only use protected lithium batteries or safe chemistry batteries (aka IMR batteries) is ANY mod that does not have built in protection, and even then its not a the best idea. Please be careful.

 

[John D in CT]

Guys I hate to be a buzzkill but PLEASE do not use the powerizer batteries in ANY mod that does not have built in protection. This includes the WOO. It could BLOW UP. I hate to be dramatic, but due to recent events, we cannot stess how potentially unsafe these batteries may be. Only use protected lithium batteries or safe chemistry batteries (aka IMR batteries) is ANY mod that does not have built in protection, and even then its not a the best idea. Please be careful.

Aerosmith-Living On The Edge - YouTube

(Actually, I'm on Smoktech .com right now).

(And why can't you own a Canadian? I think everyone should own several).

 

[Butters78]

" VMax buttom never get stucked which flexble 360° turnning around."

Lmao..

 

[LookMa`NoSmoK]

I had a picture in a post back a page or two... does that count? ;-)

Nope, let me send you my video camera.

On second thought, how bout you send me your VMax