Please note that the vender in that link states that his will not run dual coils. I know for a fact that vapingzones do run dual coils. Same 2 ohm dual coil on my buzz pro set at max (5.5 volts) I can only run at 4.5 volts with these mods from vapingzone as the carto's get too hot as its pushing some much volts...amps or whatever. And the vape is bigger on vz's mod than on my buzz pro. I tend to think the same technogoly as smok's vmax. And yes the bodies are plastic but have a rubber coating and feel nice
New Variable Voltage device from smoktech?
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Please note that the vender in that link states that his will not run dual coils. I know for a fact that vapingzones do run dual coils. Same 2 ohm dual coil on my buzz pro set at max (5.5 volts) I can only run at 4.5 volts with these mods from vapingzone as the carto's get too hot as its pushing some much volts...amps or whatever. And the vape is bigger on vz's mod than on my buzz pro. I tend to think the same technogoly as smok's vmax. And yes the bodies are plastic but have a rubber coating and feel nice
Do you have any links to any quantitative testing anyone has done on these that I could check out?
Thanx, Skip
Ur Buzz must be an antique (collectable?) old version like mine (#587)??
No my buzz is only 2 weeks old just got in on a sale there a couple of weeks ago. The testing is real life...my own....lol
OK, been away for a while - just slept for 36 hours straight - so let's see, where were we ...
Well first , a little "old business"; I have received an anonymous request (hi skip!) to straighten VAP out on "slack" vs. "flack", so: as I understand it, when you give someone a hard time, you give them "flack" (not slack), and when you want to go easy on them (like I'm not doing right now), you give (or "cut") them some "slack". Ok then - I'm glad that's cleared up, although I'm sure VAP is not.
Now, on to "new business": I got my VMax yesterday (!) and it is every bit as nice as I thought it would be. Terrific build quality, great performance, easy to use, and looks great. (Coincidentally, exactly what I look for in a woman). VAP, thanks for the great evaluating and reporting that led me to take the plunge and just get this thing. I think that I really will love it long time. And the "buttom" is great, with just the right tactile feedback; nice, positive action with an audible click, although I will reserve final judgment on it until I have verified that I have indeed turnning it around a full 360 deglees.
That's it for now - so let's give it up for VAP, the hero of the hour, who might not know how to use quotes but certainly deserves to be cut some flack.
Well first , a little "old business"; I have received an anonymous request (hi skip!) to straighten VAP out on "slack" vs. "flack", so: as I understand it, when you give someone a hard time, you give them "flack" (not slack), and when you want to go easy on them (like I'm not doing right now), you give (or "cut") them some "slack". Ok then - I'm glad that's cleared up, although I'm sure VAP is not.
Now, on to "new business": I got my VMax yesterday (!) and it is every bit as nice as I thought it would be. Terrific build quality, great performance, easy to use, and looks great. (Coincidentally, exactly what I look for in a woman). VAP, thanks for the great evaluating and reporting that led me to take the plunge and just get this thing. I think that I really will love it long time. And the "buttom" is great, with just the right tactile feedback; nice, positive action with an audible click, although I will reserve final judgment on it until I have verified that I have indeed turnning it around a full 360 deglees.
That's it for now - so let's give it up for VAP, the hero of the hour, who might not know how to use quotes but certainly deserves to be cut some flack.
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Wow. That surprises me as I was told the new ones could carry more current (amperage) than the older ones. Using a 1.5 ohm carto mine maxs out at about 4.23v w/ no stuttering (2.82A, ~12w). The juice tastes like crap at that but it'll do it. I thought the later ones went to 15w and then recently they added some efficiency to the regulator. I'll have to ask somebody from notcigs about this sometime soon.
It's not the current that's limiting in this case. The Buzz Pro is also voltage limited. It's not supposed to go higher than 5.5V. However, on a 1.5 ohm carto it should still be able to get to around 5.25V. The older ones couldn't do that.
Couple more things:
I really want to find something to protect my VMax from getting scratched or banged up, which brings us right back to condoms it seems ...
Seriously thinking of getting a 12" piece of this:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/heat-shrink-roller-covers/conveyors/material-handling/ecatalog/N-gbpZ1z0hui8?Ndr=basedimid10071&dojo.preventCache=1335498944875&sst=subset]Heat Shrink Roller Covers - Conveyors - Grainger Industrial Supply[/url]
which would do exactly three VMax's. It's heat shrink tubing for 3/4" industrial rollers, and at .80" before shrinking (the VMax is just under 21 mm, right around .82"), might even fit just fine with no heat shrinking needed, which would of course be done carefully, and with no batteries installed. Pre-punch a little hole for the "buttom", and the display if necessary, of course. Can't see it harming the PV if done with a heat gun on "low". It would help reduce shocks, and I don't really care if it hides the looks of it. I've always put function before form anyway, and it might look even more badass anyway. Something a little more clear would be cool too, but I haven't found anything yet.
Also, I took a hard look at VZ 6V VARITUBE Variable Voltage Mod kit - E Cig : Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes | eGo Tank - and while ....-fugly, VML (Visible Mold Lines) and all, it seems as if this would be a great way to get into VV for the price of an eGo-C starter kit. Should this be my main recommendation for beginners who don't want to spring for a VMax? (I never could understand pinching pennies on a PV after spending thousands of dollars a year on stinkies, but that's another thread).
Lastly, I think I've figured out my Woo's woes. Seems to me it just hates PCB-protected batteries, and that I'm going to have to just use "safer chemistry", "unprotected" IMR's, with "protected" in quotes because it's my understanding that they are still resistant to full-on meltdowns due to their construction. To paraphrase the vendor who sold them to me, they are somewhat "internally fused", and will not readily allow the equivalent of a core breach of a Warp Drive Engine, where matter and antimatter (positive and negative internal components of the battery) combine in a catastrophic and runaway fashion. Is this somewhat, or at all, accurate?
Thanks; and VAP, please come back - we still love you, and all your endearing little quirks!
I really want to find something to protect my VMax from getting scratched or banged up, which brings us right back to condoms it seems ...
Seriously thinking of getting a 12" piece of this:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/heat-shrink-roller-covers/conveyors/material-handling/ecatalog/N-gbpZ1z0hui8?Ndr=basedimid10071&dojo.preventCache=1335498944875&sst=subset]Heat Shrink Roller Covers - Conveyors - Grainger Industrial Supply[/url]
which would do exactly three VMax's. It's heat shrink tubing for 3/4" industrial rollers, and at .80" before shrinking (the VMax is just under 21 mm, right around .82"), might even fit just fine with no heat shrinking needed, which would of course be done carefully, and with no batteries installed. Pre-punch a little hole for the "buttom", and the display if necessary, of course. Can't see it harming the PV if done with a heat gun on "low". It would help reduce shocks, and I don't really care if it hides the looks of it. I've always put function before form anyway, and it might look even more badass anyway. Something a little more clear would be cool too, but I haven't found anything yet.
Also, I took a hard look at VZ 6V VARITUBE Variable Voltage Mod kit - E Cig : Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes | eGo Tank - and while ....-fugly, VML (Visible Mold Lines) and all, it seems as if this would be a great way to get into VV for the price of an eGo-C starter kit. Should this be my main recommendation for beginners who don't want to spring for a VMax? (I never could understand pinching pennies on a PV after spending thousands of dollars a year on stinkies, but that's another thread).
Lastly, I think I've figured out my Woo's woes. Seems to me it just hates PCB-protected batteries, and that I'm going to have to just use "safer chemistry", "unprotected" IMR's, with "protected" in quotes because it's my understanding that they are still resistant to full-on meltdowns due to their construction. To paraphrase the vendor who sold them to me, they are somewhat "internally fused", and will not readily allow the equivalent of a core breach of a Warp Drive Engine, where matter and antimatter (positive and negative internal components of the battery) combine in a catastrophic and runaway fashion. Is this somewhat, or at all, accurate?
Thanks; and VAP, please come back - we still love you, and all your endearing little quirks!
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Just saw on Pbusardo's site that there's going to be a review coming soon. should be interesting.
Thanks for that, Donnah. Just visited his site and noted in the cool "News" scroll at the top of the page that the VMax is indeed "in the review queue". Also interesting that "Today's Vape" is a Buzz Pro, J-tank with Boge 2.0 carto, and "Shire Malt Pipe Sauce". The juice sounds good from the name alone, and I just added it to my "must try" list. (I think that if PBusardo jumped off a cliff, I would be right behind him). lol
Having used my VMax for two whole days now, I have a prediction: he will absolutely love the VMax, and will find virtually nothing negative about it, with the possible (probable?) exception of the fact that it uses two batteries. Of course that's a plus in the performance department, and a minus (although a nearly negligible one, IMO) in the safety department. I can't imagine what he might possibly find any fault with regarding performance, build quality, ease of use, looks, ergonomics, or anything else.
Definitely looking forward to his review and others, and definitely enjoying my VMax. Each hit I take on it brings it that much closer to becoming my Number One recommendation for what APV to start out with, or to graduate to, for those not entirely satisfied with their present device.
Am I a VMax "fanboy"; no. "Fan"?; for sure.
I have a hard time recommending a vv mod to someone new to vaping. I think they're better off starting with something like a Kgo. I loved my eGos and am glad I had them. Plus once they get the hang of vaping.. they can have something to compare when they move up to vv. Unless they have someone right there with them to show them the ropes. The vmax does sound like an awesome device.. where did you say you bought it?
My NEW SMOKTECH VMAX...The BLACK BEAST!
Freddie ... I don't know quite how to say this, but a real friend will tell you the truth, so I just hafta say .... your setup sucks.
You should have gone with the chrome DCT tank with a black drip tip.
Just look at her; ain't she purdy??!!
Hell, this calls for the dancing banana guy -
Uh huh, it's your birthday ... uh huh, it's your birthday ... uh huh ....
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Ageed 100%. Someone new needs to get their feet on the ground before sinking money into a good VV mod. I really wish people would actually look at what people are really asking about before recommending VV.
I've seen VV recommended to newbies. I've seen VV recommended to people that want a more convenient way to feed juice. It doesn't matter what the problem is VV is the solution whether the problem has anything to do with voltage or not. I like VV too but, it's not a solution for every problem.
I'm having a hard time understanding exactly where you guys are coming from, but I do get the gist of it of course. You want them to experience as much as possible before getting a better vape; but I keep coming back to the merits of getting a much better vape right from the get-go. Neither of you are saying that VV won't give a better vape than an eGo/kGo/Riva, are you? No, I don't think you are.
But what's really to "get the hang of" with vaping, if someone has told you exactly what to get, and why. You just push the button; or in the case of a VV, you select what voltage you want and push the button. If you want to see what it would have been like to vape on a Joyetech eGo battery, set the voltage to 3.4. If you want to imitate an e-Power, set it to 3.7. Want to see what a 5-volt "Woo" is like? Set your VV to 5 volts.
I can see no really compelling reason to spend money on lower-power, constant voltage devices when the money can just be put directly to one that can emulate any one of them. I don't think it's debate-worthy whether or not VV is the best way to go, unless you bring in VW, as with the Darwin.
And as I said in the TMI thread, I think a person's chances of staying off ciggies go up propotionately to the quality of the vape and inversely to the hassle of getting it. VV plus decent tank/carto = OK, let's vape then!
And Mickey, I hope you don't think that I would ever suggest to anyone that VV will improve juice flow. I know that wasn't directed at me, but I kinda felt a ricochet. Naturally VV won't solve all problems - unrest in the Middle East, for example - but it will give one hell of a vape.
I will concede that I just thought of a revised "flight-plan" for beginners. If they can't cough up $185 plus juice -
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/291542-way-too-much-info-3.html
then a very good way to go IMO is to get a Joyetech eGo-C kit (unless they absolutely must have a PV that looks like a stinkie, in which case go ahead and get a Volt. I do like eGo tanks/atomizers, and will be using them again as soon as I get one back. They're all loaned out to friends of mine who want to try vaping, and will get rocked better than ever by the VMax.
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That is absolutely true, I haven't really personally converted anyone to vaping, but there are a few things that always seem to be problematic for new vapers. They want something that looks like a cigarette. And learning about vaping, with all the terminology and the variety of products out there, can be overwhelming when you're just starting out. Suggesting to them to get a VV device right away just seems like jumping the gun. Price is also a big consideration to new users, who might not know if they want to stick with it, so I think a solid 3.7v mod with LR cartos would be a more prudent route for them.
Sorry, it seems we might have drifted a bit off topic
Edit: In response to what John D said about VV not giving a better vape than a eGo/kGo: For me personally, I'm usually around 4.9v with 3 ohm cartos (about 8W), which is what you're getting from 3.7v on a 1.7 ohm carto. I like to switch it up and go 5v+ too, but the real difference for me is the consistency. With the particular e-power I had, it didn't seem to regulate the output too well and would get noticeably weaker as the battery drained. But, it did feel like it put out closer to 4.2v with the battery fully charged.
Anyway, not having to worry about consistency is pretty important to me, and I of course like to experiment with different voltages, but I don't think recommending a provari (only VV device I've tried and could personally recommend) to someone thats just starting out makes sense. Especially since you can get a very good vape, and close to/in the wattage range that people seem to prefer, with a decent 3.7v device that will also cost much less than a provari, vmax, or lavatube (to a lesser extent).
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Look someone new needs to find their nic level which is a big problem for some people. It was for me. They need to find their juice. They need to figure out the difference between cartos and atomizers and which they prefer. They need to learn what a drip tip is and when to use it. They need to determine whether vaping's for them period. While they're doing that, they don't need to be dealing with varying the voltage on top of everything else. That's best left for another day. If they get an ego class device and learn what they like, then they have a basis for working with VV. The ego will be fine for a backup.
VV won't feed your juice better. VV will not make vaping less hassle. It only varies the voltage. I will even say that someone that hasn't tried varying the resistance first shouldn't even think about VV. Varying the resistance will give them an idea what VV can do and a basis for deciding whether it's something they would like.
Interesting! I often thought like John D, thinking about all the devices I got, and ending up with VV, I would have liked somebody would have guided me, and avoided all the things I got and didn´t serve. But then I also think MickeyRat makes a good point, it would have been too much starting at the very beginning with the stuff I like best now.
So what somebody new would have to start with? Complicated.
So what somebody new would have to start with? Complicated.
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