Newest B&M Scam

[jseah]

the taxing of eliquid is the stupidest thing ive ever heard of imo. What are they going to do, tax 0mg and 24mg bottles the same? might as well just go to walmart and pick up a bottle of humco VGlycerin and flavorings, or are they gonna start taxing skin emolsifiers and food flavorings as well?

If they justify taxation of e-liquid because the nicotine is considered a "tobacco product" as the FDA has defined it, then they will need to start taxing all of those Nicoderm patches and Nicorette lozenges and gum as they all contain nicotine.

 

[juggler86]

I used to do a version of this, since I vape an odd level (9mg at the time, 10mg now). I always vaped Virginia from MFS then, so I bought a 30ml bottle of 24mg, the highest mg they sell before the price goes up; then, for each order, I'd just order some 6mg, in whatever size -- that 30ml bottle of 24mg lasted a *while* just using it to increase the nic level of my 6mg to 9mg.

Andria

Im not getting this.

MFS would of probably made you 9mg if you would of just asked. I know most non craft/gourmet vendors will do this for you if you just ask.

 

[AndriaD]

Im not getting this.

MFS would of probably made you 9mg if you would of just asked. I know most non craft/gourmet vendors will do this for you if you just ask.

Why should they? Buying a large bottle of a higher mg and using it to boost the 6mg worked just fine. What's not to get?

Andria

 

[alicewonderland]

Im not getting this.

MFS would of probably made you 9mg if you would of just asked. I know most non craft/gourmet vendors will do this for you if you just ask.

i wonder how many customers out there actually carry nicotine testing kits and use them to make sure the stuff they ordered is as advertised

 

[beckdg]

i wonder how many customers out there actually carry nicotine testing kits and use them to make sure the stuff they ordered is as advertised [emoji23]

Count me for one...

Tapatyped

 

[DaveP]

Vape shops are always out of something. If it's popular they carry in volume and sell out in large numbers. If it's not popular, they sell out because they only carry one or two at a time.

Juice is particularly hard to stock because 50 people will want a different flavor. You have to stock many types and flavors by nic level, pg/vg content, and of course ... the different flavors. The local B&M in my area has a wall covered floor to ceiling and still they will sometimes be out of that particular one I want.

 

[jpargana]

it could be a scam, if stores don't even order enough 3 mg, and then turn around and "have" to sell you 2 bottles (i.e. 0 mg and 6 mg) instead of just one bottle of what you actually wanted

just a thought

That would only lead to you having to go back there half the time.

Say you spend 30ml of 3 mg liquid in a week. So, one bottle of liquid sold every week.

If you mix tow bottles, you will only have the need to buy again in two weeks. The vendor is not really selling you any more stuff than what you used to buy before, is he ?


As a "scam", it seems a rather pointless one.

 

[DaveP]

I seldom buy juice in less than 50ml bottles. My typical order is 150ml at a time. My biggest gripe is that my favorite juice sometimes varies slightly in color and recently, flavor. My last order isn't quite what the previous one was in terms of quality control. It's still vapable but I know what that particular flavor should taste like. You have to wonder who's in the lab doing juice production.

 

[VapieDan]

Most of the vapors I know vape 3mg nic. Most vape shops are always "sold out" of 3mg nic options. They ALWAYS have 6mg nic and 0mg nic though, for the most sought after juice. It's such a joke and such a scam. I'm glad I mostly vape diy.

I agree with but on the opposite side of the fence. It appears so many juice makers have never heard of PG and anything over 6mg. At least half the vapors vape in this manner and the higher profits of the "cloud" juice seems to be seducing the vape shops.

 

[jpargana]

Ok the way I see it. Say you only want 30ml and 30 will cost you $15, but your forced to buy two 15ml bottles (0mg and 6mg). The 15ml cost $9.50 so now you've spent $19 to get your 30ml worth or $4 more for the same amount. I've been in that situation myself and yeah I kind of felt ripped off.

Or, instead of feeling "forced" to buy "half-bottles", you could simply buy two bottles.

Sure, it would be exactly twice the price, not just 4 bucks more... but, fortunaly, it would also last for exactly twice the time. So, on average, you would be spending... wait for it... exactly the same amount per week...!

How is it a "scam", if in the end, you still spend the same ? "Buy two for the price of two" is neither a scam, nor a promotion. It's just that... the normal, everyday price for TWO bottles of e-liquid, which will last for the DOUBLE of time.

 

[jpargana]

the taxing of eliquid is the stupidest thing ive ever heard of imo. What are they going to do, tax 0mg and 24mg bottles the same? might as well just go to walmart and pick up a bottle of humco VGlycerin and flavorings, or are they gonna start taxing skin emolsifiers and food flavorings as well?

My beloved portuguese Govt is preparing to sin-tax bottles of e-liquid. 60 cents/ml, so a 10ml bottle can raise from 4 to 10 Euros.

That's what "they" expect, anyway. But fortunately, people passing those laws have no clue.

Here's the catch: non-nicotine liquid is tax free. Liquid with nicotine is taxed at 0.60€/ml, regardless of nicotine concentration.

So, what's keeping me from ordering FIVE bottles of tax-free zero liquid, ONE bottle of taxed 36mg/ml, and later "diluting" that tax down to 0.10€/ml by mixing all those bottles in a larger one?

 

[tj99959]

Trying to remember the last time I bought juice. I think it was about 3 years ago.

Mix your own, and never worry about it again.

 

[AndriaD]

Trying to remember the last time I bought juice. I think it was about 3 years ago.

Mix your own, and never worry about it again.

I agree! Get the perfect nic level, PG/VG ratio, sweetness, strength of flavor... EVERY TIME! And the price just can't be beat.

Andria

 

[Ryedan]

the taxing of eliquid is the stupidest thing ive ever heard of imo. What are they going to do, tax 0mg and 24mg bottles the same? might as well just go to walmart and pick up a bottle of humco VGlycerin and flavorings, or are they gonna start taxing skin emolsifiers and food flavorings as well?

Hmm, I would be careful not to give anyone any new ideas

 

[kaahn]

My beloved portuguese Govt is preparing to sin-tax bottles of e-liquid. 60 cents/ml, so a 10ml bottle can raise from 4 to 10 Euros.

That's what "they" expect, anyway. But fortunately, people passing those laws have no clue.

Here's the catch: non-nicotine liquid is tax free. Liquid with nicotine is taxed at 0.60€/ml, regardless of nicotine concentration.

So, what's keeping me from ordering FIVE bottles of tax-free zero liquid, ONE bottle of taxed 36mg/ml, and later "diluting" that tax down to 0.10€/ml by mixing all those bottles in a larger one?

Yes quick edit your post before the vapestopo sees this!

 

[DC2]

To be quite honest, if juice gets any more expensive than $20 a 30ml bottle...DIY here I come!

Assuming, of course, that you can still get DIY nicotine in the future.

 

[DC2]

If they justify taxation of e-liquid because the nicotine is considered a "tobacco product" as the FDA has defined it, then they will need to start taxing all of those Nicoderm patches and Nicorette lozenges and gum as they all contain nicotine.

Drugs, such as Big Pharma NRT products, are specifically excluded from the tobacco product definition.

 

[Rossum]

Smokers I know are used to a smoking style that is scheduled - in time and in amount.

Yep, my smoking style was scheduled. I smoked from the moment I woke up in the morning until I the moment I went to bed at night.

 

[Rossum]

My beloved portuguese Govt is preparing to sin-tax bottles of e-liquid. 60 cents/ml, so a 10ml bottle can raise from 4 to 10 Euros.

That's what "they" expect, anyway. But fortunately, people passing those laws have no clue.

Here's the catch: non-nicotine liquid is tax free. Liquid with nicotine is taxed at 0.60€/ml, regardless of nicotine concentration.

So, what's keeping me from ordering FIVE bottles of tax-free zero liquid, ONE bottle of taxed 36mg/ml, and later "diluting" that tax down to 0.10€/ml by mixing all those bottles in a larger one?

You are aware of the European Tobacco Products Directive, which will limit the liquid you can buy to 20mg/ml, right?

 

[DC2]

Mix your own, and never worry about it again.

I'm not going to get into how lazy I am.
Nor how much my time is worth, regardless of the hassle.

But I can safely say that new vapers are unlikely to be doing DIY to start.
Luckily, paying vastly increased prices will probably prevent them from even starting.

Win-Win for those who hold the cards.