So what about the nicotine base that is advertised to be used to make NRT lozenges or gum? They're currently being sold directly to consumers to make their own.
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So what about the nicotine base that is advertised to be used to make NRT lozenges or gum? They're currently being sold directly to consumers to make their own.
I've never heard of that before, so that's a good question.
I guess it's a loophole they will close if they think it's worth the effort.
My sampling is fairly large. I have 2 mid 20 year old sons very engaged in the greater Texas vape community. Most vape much. All vape 3mg. If I go to my local B&M and want ONE BOTTLE OF 3MG juice I don't want my only option to be 2 bottles or 0mg and the B&M to pipette in their dirty nasty nic. There are 54 vape shops here and growing. It happens all the time. So chalk it up to bad juice management? Ooooookaaaaaaayyyyyyy.....
Yes, I am. Even if it was ONLY that, I could still get that tax down to 0.20/ml. Or even less in the future.
But, alas, there's a lot the new TPD will limit, "for our own safety".
We will have bottles of 10 ml at most, with childproof caps, at 20mg at most. Nevermind the fact that we will still see 5 liter bottles of bleach, with no childproof caps. Nicotine poisoning seems to be a greater problem than cleaning products poisonings.
2ml tanks? Really? That will only make people carry bottles with them, and force them to open the tanks more often for refilling. What is exactly the net "security gain" here?
And that is supposing refillables will be allowed at all: because they are not leak free while refilling.
And of course, there is that "consistent dose" aspect as well...
Bottom line: Big Govt's were given a great tool to greatly "regulate" vaping, or even to completely kill it, if they feel their tobacco sin-tax is getting thin. All it takes is to demand that devices absolutely must deliver "consistent doses of nicotine" and that refillables are not allowed. Supposing that not even BigT can achieve that with their vast resources applied on the development of crappy products, there's really "no harm done" on their minds - BigT will still be able to sell tobacco. Tobacco sales might rise again, after a drop past 2011-2012. As it was intended in the first place.
Governments all over are worried about losing the Tobacco Settlement money that they've already spent. Many of the states floated loans based on future tobacco payments intended for education of school kids on the evils and dangers of tobacco. The money was reportedly spent by most through the general fund, not on anti-smoking ads aimed at kids.
Now, they are worried that the tax revenue will be lost as people switch from smoking to vaping. So ... they have to tax juice as the next revenue stream for government. Never mind that vaping is the safer alternative to smoking. Anything that contains nicotine has to be evil so that they can control it.
I view juice purchases as a necessary evil. The shelf life is usually about two years, so it's not going to be wasted if you buy in large bottles. I buy gas by the full tank. Some buy it 5 gallons at a time. I save money by ordering 50ml bottles. My local B&M only stocks 15ml and 30ml. I get 50ml for the price of 30ml online. It makes sense to buy it that way if it's something you like. If they are out of 6mg, I adjust and buy whatever I can mix to get the right nic level.
Now, they are worried that the tax revenue will be lost as people switch from smoking to vaping. So ... they have to tax juice as the next revenue stream for government. Never mind that vaping is the safer alternative to smoking. Anything that contains nicotine has to be evil so that they can control it.
I view juice purchases as a necessary evil. The shelf life is usually about two years, so it's not going to be wasted if you buy in large bottles. I buy gas by the full tank. Some buy it 5 gallons at a time. I save money by ordering 50ml bottles. My local B&M only stocks 15ml and 30ml. I get 50ml for the price of 30ml online. It makes sense to buy it that way if it's something you like. If they are out of 6mg, I adjust and buy whatever I can mix to get the right nic level.
If they are that heavily involved in the vaping community, they should DIY juice and not stress over someone else's weak inventory.
Personally I won't pay those crazy prices for bad juice.
DIY is simple, fast, and costs literally pennies per ml.
Any strength you like.
It continues to shock me how many people don't understand this.Bottom line: Big Govt's were given a great tool to greatly "regulate" vaping, or even to completely kill it, if they feel their tobacco sin-tax is getting thin. All it takes is to demand that devices absolutely must deliver "consistent doses of nicotine" and that refillables are not allowed. Supposing that not even BigT can achieve that with their vast resources applied on the development of crappy products, there's really "no harm done" on their minds - BigT will still be able to sell tobacco. Tobacco sales might rise again, after a drop past 2011-2012. As it was intended in the first place.
It just yanks my crank that WE have to bear the burden of THEIR financial incompetence -- have they never heard "don't count your chickens before they hatch"????? The vapers of today are IN NO WAY responsible for those tanking bonds -- if they had operated with the slightest vestige of financial responsibility, they wouldn't now be in this mess! I'd say it's time to look very closely at just who authorized those bonds and PROSECUTE THEM! PUT THEM IN JAIL!!!!!
Andria
Went into a vape shop when I was out in California a couple weeks ago. They had a really nice selection of all the gourmet type juice brands.
"oh, give me a bottle of ***** in 18mg please!"
"uh we don't carry anything over 12mg because everybody vapes low nic"
"WTH?!"
"oh, give me a bottle of ***** in 18mg please!"
"uh we don't carry anything over 12mg because everybody vapes low nic"
"WTH?!"
The kind of vendors that sell those premium high VG juices are catering to a different demographic.... mostly people who have past the clearomizer stage and are using RDAs... many of whom are hobbyist fanatics obsessed with vapor and flavor.
yeah, the high VG juices are mostly aimed at RDA's, most gourmet/boutique type juices I find are only 12mg and under due to them being mostly VG and used in RDA's like Dave said. Vaping 24-36mg in an RDA is a killer, more harsh than a guy smoking unfiltereds. its like razors in your throat.
Here its the 18-25 Yo's with an Atlantis and 5000 horsepower+++ mods lining up for the no/low nic premium stuff. It costs more so it must be better.
Ex-smokers will vape dirty transmission fluid from the juice bar if thats what works.
I do have an Atlantis myself and I'll admitt its a fun little toy but its a real juice hog. I make mine for like 20 cents so I don't care but I cannot imagine how these kids are affording high end juice out of a juice hog. I can blow through a 10ml bottle in short order. Might explain why they are rolling up in a 99 Grand Am.
Ex-smokers will vape dirty transmission fluid from the juice bar if thats what works.
I do have an Atlantis myself and I'll admitt its a fun little toy but its a real juice hog. I make mine for like 20 cents so I don't care but I cannot imagine how these kids are affording high end juice out of a juice hog. I can blow through a 10ml bottle in short order. Might explain why they are rolling up in a 99 Grand Am.
I suppose that's true about extremely high nic in an RDA, though I wouldn't know, since I can't vape anything over 11mg in ANY atty or it just makes me sick. But using an RDA does not automatically require high VG -- I use the same 84% PG in every single atty I have.
Andria
Yesterday I was surfing a website and for one particular brand of juice, the 30 ml bottle of 18 mg was priced at $12.99. If you wanted the same juice in 6 mg, it was priced at $22.99.
And there are also lottery proceeds as well. When they started the state lotto games and allocated a certain percentage of sales to be provided for schools, the government immediately dropped the amount of money they gave the schools in their budget. Their thinking was that the schools was getting this lottery money so they didn't need to fund them as much. As lottery sales dropped, the schools started running into problems with less money coming in, so the state started adding the multi state lotto games and increasing the numbers so there would be bigger and bigger jackpots to encourage more people to buy tickets.
Everything I'm learning about gov't since becoming a vaper makes one fact extremely clear: everyone who runs for any office needs a full-scale psych eval, and anyone who shows the SLIGHTEST tendency to mendacity, greed, controlling behavior, and an attitude of 'ends justify means' needs to be PERMANENTLY disqualified from ANY political office OR corporate CEO.
Andria
Andria
I have no direct knowledge, but I was lead to believe that the West Coast trend was towards low nic / big clouds. Me, I'm pretty much a 50/50 guy. It's what I started with, and it's generally what I order if I have a choice.
I am probably horribly mangling the quote, and I don't know who first said it, but a desire for power should automatically disqualify the person seeking it.
I disagree. People ae not perfect, and we are going to have greed all over the place. the slightest tendancy.... then you just get people trying to cover it up.
plus, Power corrupts, people could be fine before, and turn dirty inside office.
Now, I do agree partially. Since I started Vaping... Ive noticed How evil the government is. Why is banning vaping even on the table? They never put banning smoking on the table. If they found vaping to be as harmful as cigarettes, would they then allow them?
And who are you kidding government? You tax the hell out of smokes. When does.... Hey give us more money for buying them, so that you can stop....ever work?
How does that even make sense? give4 us more money? The people that really hurts is the low income people, a lot of who have problems with addictions already... Who cant really afford cigarettes to begin with, but are addicted so they buy them....
and now you wanna ban vaping, or tax vaping? They just want more money, be it from you getting back on cigs, or taxing vaping. They dont care if you die from smoking... as long as ...up until the day that you finally die, they squeeze you for every red penny they can get. and you best make sure you give it to them too, or they will come after yur relatives if your backlogged on taxes or the like.
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