...So let's just ponder positives here OTD. This could be considered a form of art.
That would be a stretch but, OK!
I am an Artful Grandkiddle Dodger!
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That would be a stretch but, OK!
I am an Artful Grandkiddle Dodger!
Regarding the snus: If I had not had that age-old stuff, I might have been smoking those analogs I still have around. I think a little water because it was essentially freeze-dried was definitely the better alternative.
As for OTD, pity, actually. I was picturing him in a rocking chair, surrounded by adoring little kids, with a nice big-print edition of Grimm's Fairy Tales on his lap …
As for OTD, pity, actually. I was picturing him in a rocking chair, surrounded by adoring little kids, with a nice big-print edition of Grimm's Fairy Tales on his lap …
There goes another mental image I'm gonna have trouble shaking......yer killin' me, Alex.....
Nah, new mental image.
Bald head kinda saggy lookin old guy wearing rainbow suspenders hunched over a laptop with a battery powered personal vaporizer at hand with absinthe vapor curling out of his snus filled mouth surrounded by little tins and plastic boxes filled with the brown powdery snuff that is more and more frequently being placed up his nose.....
Damn. Now that's a scary sight. I gotta get a web-cam!
Bald head kinda saggy lookin old guy wearing rainbow suspenders hunched over a laptop with a battery powered personal vaporizer at hand with absinthe vapor curling out of his snus filled mouth surrounded by little tins and plastic boxes filled with the brown powdery snuff that is more and more frequently being placed up his nose.....
Damn. Now that's a scary sight. I gotta get a web-cam!
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I'd be makin' sure the curtains were open for all the neighbors to observe......... Kojak had nothin' on you, Brother.......
You know, now I had to try to get another mental image out of my head all day (unsucessfully, obviously):
"Grandma, Grandma, who's that funny guy in the basement?"
"What do you mean, funny guy? Were you in the back of the basement where you are not supposed to go? Did I forget to lock the door again?"
"Grandma, he had funny stuff down there!"
"Now look, kids, I know he can seem quite harmless. Actually, most of the time he is quite harmless. But you never know, so please, don't go there again! And where did I put that key …"
I dunno. Not as nice as the rocking chair, but certainly more potential there "OTD, the hand of fate"
BTW, wanna see the rainbow suspenders, so do get that web cam!
"Grandma, Grandma, who's that funny guy in the basement?"
"What do you mean, funny guy? Were you in the back of the basement where you are not supposed to go? Did I forget to lock the door again?"
"Grandma, he had funny stuff down there!"
"Now look, kids, I know he can seem quite harmless. Actually, most of the time he is quite harmless. But you never know, so please, don't go there again! And where did I put that key …"
I dunno. Not as nice as the rocking chair, but certainly more potential there
"OTD, the hand of fate" BTW, wanna see the rainbow suspenders, so do get that web cam!
Scarier still Alex, simply substitute "upstairs" for "basement" and you've come extremely close to nailing what goes on around here! 8-o
… "rainbow suspenders" … "nailing" … lemme check the board rules before I answer that one …
Not sure if this is the right thread, but...
Here's a power-house of info about snus vs smokes vs stonewall etc,
particularly snus-related & strongly about the TSNA levels.
Very much well worth a browse through :
http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/pubs/contents/4fc74817-64c5-4105-951e-38239b09c5db.pdf
TSNA in some selected 'tobacco' types (there's loads of types I never knew about),
rounded up 'parts per million of dry weight' = micrograms per gram:
7 Malboro cigarettes
11 Moist snuff (US snus, Skoal Bandits long)
7 Moist snuff (US snus, Hawken)
2 Moist snuff (Swedish snus)
1200 !! Dry snuff (Bruton)
65 Dry snuff ('Scotch')
<0.1 Ariva (Stonewall?)
6 Exalt (US made 'swedish' snus)
8 Creamy snuff / toothpaste (Dentobac)
0.002 Nicorette gum 4mg
0.2 Dried tobacco leaf
Some differences there then, don't understand the last one,
didn't realise cigarettes were so 'low' in TNSAs
Good-feeling summary, I like these bits:
Not so happy about these bits:
Here's a power-house of info about snus vs smokes vs stonewall etc,
particularly snus-related & strongly about the TSNA levels.
Very much well worth a browse through :
http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/pubs/contents/4fc74817-64c5-4105-951e-38239b09c5db.pdf
TSNA in some selected 'tobacco' types (there's loads of types I never knew about),
rounded up 'parts per million of dry weight' = micrograms per gram:
7 Malboro cigarettes
11 Moist snuff (US snus, Skoal Bandits long)
7 Moist snuff (US snus, Hawken)
2 Moist snuff (Swedish snus)
1200 !! Dry snuff (Bruton)
65 Dry snuff ('Scotch')
<0.1 Ariva (Stonewall?)
6 Exalt (US made 'swedish' snus)
8 Creamy snuff / toothpaste (Dentobac)
0.002 Nicorette gum 4mg
0.2 Dried tobacco leaf
Some differences there then, don't understand the last one,
didn't realise cigarettes were so 'low' in TNSAs
Good-feeling summary, I like these bits:
Not so happy about these bits:
Really good stuff here, exo. All in all sounds upbeat. The elevated risk "of pancreatic
cancer, and possibly of cardiovascular disease, particularly myocardial
infarction" is compared to the use of nothing, I assume (I'm clicking on the link after this post). The stat on the Bruton's Scotch was ugly.....that's what I've been using
. Although, far less than a gram a day....but still...
cancer, and possibly of cardiovascular disease, particularly myocardial
infarction" is compared to the use of nothing, I assume (I'm clicking on the link after this post). The stat on the Bruton's Scotch was ugly.....that's what I've been using
. Although, far less than a gram a day....but still...
Shucky dern.....won't load in this browser . Guess I'll have to do it at home.
. Guess I'll have to do it at home.
Ok exo, I got it at home and I'm up to page 54. I haven't got to any of the snus stuff yet, but this is very interesting reading. So far the authors appear to be very honest in their approach. Looks like good reference stuff to keep......wish I could get my wife to take the time to read it.
Good stuff innit (what's a Chav?),
very pragmatic & gets straight to the points, lots of great info,
makes me feel happier about tobacco generally - at least the snus sort.
....must read all of it myself....
very pragmatic & gets straight to the points, lots of great info,
makes me feel happier about tobacco generally - at least the snus sort.
....must read all of it myself....
Just now got around to looking at this exo. Powerhouse of info indeed, thank you for the link.
I'll certainly be awhile reading this!
I don't know what "chav" is, maybe a nickname for Hugo over in Venezuela ??? Since I'm never sure where you'll show up, here's a poll kristin wants posted everywhere to accumulate votes http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...please-follow-instructions-before-taking.html. Now go do your civic duty, Sir Exo .
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chav - someone who uses 'innit' whilst wearing a gold chain & cloth cap:
Chav - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Done kristin's great poll,
see there's a significant post representation from the smokeless crew,
or are we all just social misfits that have to have a say in everything 
Think it's worth while taking your time reading it OTD
Chav - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Done kristin's great poll,
see there's a significant post representation from the smokeless crew,
or are we all just social misfits that have to have a say in everything
Think it's worth while taking your time reading it OTD
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or are we all just social misfits that have to have a say in everything
Think it's worth while taking your time reading it OTD
That sounds entirely to much like the truth exo!
I will be working my way through it you can be sure.
Thanks exogenesis for posting the link to that report. I have done some reading and find that there is some real good info there. I have to wonder that even with all their knowledge they are seemingly unaware of the existance of the WTA factor that has been discovered here. It sure would be great if we could make contact with one of the "Expert Panels" and supply them with the data we have compiled in this forum. I believe that if they knew the truth about the addiction to the WTA and not just nicotine that they might be able to do some research and get to the bottom of the root cause of our misery.
But the depth and scope of such testing would take many years ( just look at all the many years the "Nicotine Addiction" has been studied). This new information would cause them a significant set back.
But the depth and scope of such testing would take many years ( just look at all the many years the "Nicotine Addiction" has been studied). This new information would cause them a significant set back.
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