Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment

[Zazie]

Pictures worth a thousand words, @Rossum. Thanks!

 

[IDJoel]

@coldgin96, here's a link to TFA's flavor storage statement:
https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/flavorsworkshop/shelf_life.pdf

In the "for what it's worth" category; my concentrates are stored in a linen closet (dark & cool). I have some that are approaching the 4+ year mark (bottled in a variety of glass, PET and HDPE), and remain perfectly usable for my needs. As always; YMMV.

 

[madstabber]

Couldn’t agree more with Zazie. Thanks again Rossum, your willingness to help your fellow vaper with accurate information is greatly appreciated. This forum is great, I came here years ago with zero knowledge of vaping and all that’s entailed with it and now I have quit smoking, have a decent mod and backups, atomizers, both rebuildable and replaceable, mix my own juice, and haven’t blown up my hands or face. Thank you ECF

 

[Zazie]

. . . and haven’t blown up my hands or face.

See, we need that specter to replace the rush of risking cancer.

 

[madstabber]

See, we need that specter to replace the rush of risking cancer.

Once again, spot on, couldn’t agree more. Without the danger it just isn’t fun. Probably why vaping has been so much more successful helping people quit. The patch and pills just don’t have the same adrenaline inducing rush that handling a potential bomb near my pretty face has.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

The patch and pills just don’t have the same adrenaline inducing rush that handling a potential bomb near my pretty face has.

I don't know how anyone ever quit with pills, or the patch - I could never keep them lit.

 

[coldgin96]

Great everybody, thank you! Big help...

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Great everybody, thank you! Big help...

Help deciding to refrigerate flavors, or help deciding to store cool & dark?

Or help deciding not to ask on this forum, because everyone will just post different opinions and disagree with each other, confusing you more?

 

[coldgin96]

I decided to keep them in the dark for now as they are unopened and in 10ml glass containers. Although putting them in the fridge isn't a bad idea either... I didn't plan on having them this long but ProVape sent me a .... load of free juice I'm still trying to get through.

 

[BillW50]

That's really only an issue of you're "thawing" at a higher temperature than you had when you bottled the stuff. For example if you bottle in a 65F room in the winter and thaw in an 80F room in the summer.

Barometric pressure when sealing and thawing also plays a small part.

 

[Nermal]

Barometric pressure when sealing and thawing also plays a small part.

I've got to admit I don't go quite so far.

 

[Rossum]

Barometric pressure when sealing and thawing also plays a small part.

Why? It's a liquid. That means its pretty much incompressible and the few percent of change in in ambient pressure due to weather shouldn't have a noticeable effect on its volume.

 

[BillW50]

It's not the liquid, but the air trapped in the bottle. And no telling at what elevation the bottle was sealed at. Unless you did it yourself.

 

[Nermal]

Now I'm visualizing people spending hundreds of dollars for equipment to seal bottles at exactly the right pressure.

 

[madstabber]

Will this be accurate enough for nicotine bottling
Search for PACE1001B-PREMIUM-MBAR | Instrumart

 

[madstabber]

I just want to make sure because I got this to check my batteries impedance and it doesn’t work for lithium ion batteries Megger BITE2 Battery Impedance Testers | Battery Testers | Instrumart
Learned my lesson, now I ask before spending several thousand dollars on a gauge I can’t use

 

[Nermal]

Will this be accurate enough for nicotine bottling
Search for PACE1001B-PREMIUM-MBAR | Instrumart

I just love it. And a magnetic stirrer in case the ultrasonic cleaner isn't up to snuff.

 

[madstabber]

I just love it. And a magnetic stirrer in case the ultrasonic cleaner isn't up to snuff.

Man this is getting expensive

 

[Rossum]

It's not the liquid, but the air trapped in the bottle. And no telling at what elevation the bottle was sealed at. Unless you did it yourself.

Color me confused. How does air trapped in the headspace of a bottle produce a change in the volume of the liquid beneath it?

If it was bottled in Denver and opened in Florida, then there will be a partial vacuum in the head space when you open the bottle. If it was bottled in Florida and opened in Denver, then there will be a small excess of air pressure when it's opened. But neither of these will cause liquid to spill, assuming the bottle is upright when opened.

 

[BillW50]

Color me confused. How does air trapped in the headspace of a bottle produce a change in the volume of the liquid beneath it?

It doesn't. Sorry, did I say it does? All it means it there could be a pressure difference when you open the bottle.

If it was bottled in Denver and opened in Florida, then there will be a partial vacuum in the head space when you open the bottle. If it was bottled in Florida and opened in Denver, then there will be a small excess of air pressure when it's opened. But neither of these will cause liquid to spill, assuming the bottle is upright when opened.

Well... it kinda does sort of. Maybe not so often with ejuice unless it is to the extreme. But ketchup and mustard bottles does this to me all of the time. Just a little pressure difference and opening them upright and suddenly that splat happens. We can send men to the moon (well not in the last few decades), but we can't make decent splat proof bottles.