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Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment

Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by Rossum, Mar 5, 2017.

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  1. 440BB

    440BB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Thanks for keeping this going and showing us the differences. I hope we get a chance to see them for a long time to come!
     
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  2. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Yep, thanks for your experiments, Rossum, very useful information indeed :)

    Anna
     
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  3. newyork13

    newyork13 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 9, 2013
    western Massachusetts
    thanks @Rossum for your efforts.
     
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  4. Cool_Breeze

    Cool_Breeze Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 10, 2011
    Kentucky
    "Yes, but what does it mean?" lol Perhaps our resident chemist @mikepetro will chime in.
     
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  5. bover907

    bover907 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 5, 2014
    Wilkes-Barre, PA, USA
    Interesting thread. Thanks for doing the experiment.:thumbs:

    Can someone answer this? Did I read somewhere that Nicotine Salt is supposed to be less susceptible to oxidation? Just wondering if I read that somewhere, or if I'm just nuts, lol.
     
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  6. Burnie

    Burnie The Bug Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sunny Florida
    I did a quick search, found this, but there is more out there I'm sure. :)

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    Nicotine Salts: Everything You Wanted to Know | Vaping411
     
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  7. Burnie

    Burnie The Bug Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jul 1, 2009
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    @Rossum
    What are your thoughts on storage in the refrigerator? I have some juice and nicotine that have been in there for a couple of years, and seems to be holding up really good. Your test was 2 extremes, really cold (0 degrees), and room temp (80ish?), what about middle of the road (40ish)? Only reason I have it in the fridge is I read freezing mixed juice was not a good idea, so I just put it in the fridge, plus I had some nicotine that I am using out of that I keep in the fridge. Just thinking out loud here. :)
     
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  8. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Not @Rossum

    It is my understanding that the colder the better, the frig would be better than room temp, room temp would be better than sitting in the sun in August. From what Dr Kurt says "cold" slow the molecules down which in turn reduces oxidation.

    I store my bulk nic in the freezer, and my open working bottle of concentrate in the frig.

    An interested and related thread with lots of tips from Dr Kurt.
    Preparations for freezing nic
     
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  9. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I agree with Mike -- colder is better, so a fridge is definitely better than room temp.

    The question is: How long do you intend to store it and how cold does it need to be in order to stay fresh for that long? I'm not sure anyone has an answer to this. Based on what I'm seeing with my nic (some of which is over 4 years old now) and what Kurt has previously reported at 7+ years, a freezer is probably cold enough to keep nic fresh more-or-less indefinitely, so a house-hold freezer looks seems to be good enough for all practical purposes. Would a fridge be just as good? I doubt it, but I'm by no means certain.

    In any case, I'm not gonna start fridge tests. My wife doesn't like nic in "her" fridge. Yes, I can get away with putting in there overnight so it's all at the same temp when I take pics of samples the next day, but keeping in there long-term wouldn't fly.

    Oh, and my room temp samples are in an air-conditioned house, so generally in the range of 68-77°F. I'm not sure how warm the Florida samples got when power was off for more than a week here last September. I'll note the that FL freezer samples also assumed room temperature during that time and it didn't seem to affect them that much. The Pennsylvania samples have never experienced a notable power outage.
     
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  10. Burnie

    Burnie The Bug Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I agree colder is better, and not asking for more tests, was just curious if you had any experience (or anyone else), just gleaming knowledge. :)
     
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  11. ilporcupine

    ilporcupine Super Member

    Feb 24, 2018
    IL, Duh
    Rossum,just chiming in to say thanks for doing the work, so we don't have to.
    :w00t:
     
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