I'm not sure if claiming "freezing/thawing from opening the freezer compartment is bad" is on their site or if Morgan got the information some other way. I do know Carolina Xtracts warns against freezing their nic solution on their website. At least it did when I ordered my nic a month or more ago.
Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment
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Yes, I recall seeing that too, and discussing it here somewhere; not sure if it was in this thread or another.
I understand that Carolina Extracts touts their supercritical CO2 extraction process. This is almost certainly cleaner than the traditional solvent/base extraction that may or may not still be in use by other producers of raw nic, but even if it's completely unique, the resulting nic will not have physical properties that are significantly different than any other.
Anyway, it would certainly be interesting to hear any explanation from them as to why they think their nic base is special and shouldn't be stored in a freezer, when pretty much every other vendor recommends it, and I've shown that it's clearly better than storing at room temperature.
The only plausible explanation I can think of is that by "freezing" they mean temperatures low enough to actually freeze the solution solid, but temperatures that low cannot be achieved in a home freezer, not by a long shot!
For the amount of loot CX charges for their nic I would expect some kind of miracle juice. I'm using it for my initial sampling up to now and, while I have nothing to compare it to yet, it's also not standing out in any way I can tell. It's certainly not washing my dishes and vacuuming my living room.
Stating "absolutely not" to start, then referring to "some freezer units (but not all)" is inconsistent. The final sentence suggests they think storage in the freezer would be in the 27-33 degree range. I call BS.
Don’t recall them mentioning freeze/thaw when I read this a couple months ago. They just said don’t freeze it blah blah blah but didn’t get specific. Their website changes as much as their prices.
Does anyone have experience with NR Chemnovatic nic? Does it always smell bad? I just opened my third bottle of it (hoping it would be good as I’ve heard good things about it) and it smells like a musty old barn, just like the other 2 bottles. Obviously I won’t be buying it again but if it’s normal for it to smell bad/weird I’ll save it for a nic emergency
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Interesting! Thanks for posting the links. Not sure I’ll use it but helpful nonetheless
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I have bought Both 100mg/ml and 250mg/ml Chemnovatic in 100% PG from Nicotine River. Both were Odorless. And Both were virtually Clear.
I'm using some of the 100mg/ml right now. And it is almost Tasteless in Unflavored.
But Both were also purchased awhile back. Before NR did their move. And before some of the Negative Reports about NR started to come in.
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I'd be curious to see the color of the nic when poured into a clear glass. I can't tell from that white container that NR uses, what the actual contents looks like. There does seem to be considerable air space in the container though if what I'm seeing is right.
This is just a guess, and it's probably dumb to say, but could it be that after the initial rush to hoard nicotine a couple of years ago, sales dwindled after that to the extent that their stock gets somewhat old before it's sold? Just grasping at straws here...
The nic I received from NR was produced 2-3 weeks prior to delivery. It was perfectly fine. Others had bad nic that was produced a day after mine.
Carolina Extracts believes it's nicotine is so special and expensive, it should be purchased in 10 ml bottles, utilized within 15 minutes, or otherwise it becomes smelling salts for swoony women or LATER like 5 minutes later, capable of KILLING all mosquitos on earth especially if you run an ice cube down the side of the vial.
They are expensive crooks, their nicotine is only special because it's expensive so OF COURSE they will say that.
The fools and their money who want to be like, soon parted will buy into it.
I am made of sterner NIC STUFF. I smoked BASICS in college. LOL.
Anna
They are expensive crooks, their nicotine is only special because it's expensive so OF COURSE they will say that.
The fools and their money who want to be like, soon parted will buy into it.
I am made of sterner NIC STUFF. I smoked BASICS in college. LOL.
Anna
Expensive is subjective. When you were smoking Basics, I was smoking (insert drug).
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New Product Release – Nicotine Salt Nicotine Bases!
"Numerous cationic acids exist on the tobacco leaf; we know this since the pH of tobacco smoke is closer to 5 on the pH scale (1-14) than that of the basic nicotine, which is closer to 8. These acids possess positive charges, AKA free hydrogens, with exhibit attraction to nicotine’s basic nitrogen centers. This is nature’s beautiful way of stabilizing the nicotine molecule for prolonged activity and defense against oxidative degradation. The binding of a cationic salt at nicotine’s electronegative nitrogen center(s), inhibits the oxidative damage it would suffer in comparison to a non-salt formulation!"
Their Nude Armor V3 contains Ascorbic acid in a tiny %. They claim this will make it store better. It is still FB. Maybe adding acid to FB in quantities less than those required to convert it to saltnic still help with combating oxidative stress.Per Nude chemist
New Product Release – Nicotine Salt Nicotine Bases!
"Numerous cationic acids exist on the tobacco leaf; we know this since the pH of tobacco smoke is closer to 5 on the pH scale (1-14) than that of the basic nicotine, which is closer to 8. These acids possess positive charges, AKA free hydrogens, with exhibit attraction to nicotine’s basic nitrogen centers. This is nature’s beautiful way of stabilizing the nicotine molecule for prolonged activity and defense against oxidative degradation. The binding of a cationic salt at nicotine’s electronegative nitrogen center(s), inhibits the oxidative damage it would suffer in comparison to a non-salt formulation!"
My only concern is that ascorbic acid isn't heat stable at vaporizing temps. So while it might help with storage, we don't know how it behaves when vaporized.
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