nic is a poison please don't kill a kid
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I'm guessing the vapetv host meant it tongue-in-cheek, though it was an irresponsible thing to say.
You honestly believed that it was safe enough to drink? If a vapetv host told you to go eat an entire pack of cigarettes because it was safe, would you believe it - and do it? That could kill you too, you know.
A bit of common sense is in order.
When my girlfriend was a baby, she ate a carton of cigarettes. A CARTON! She obviously lived to tell the tale. I appreciate the concern Alan, but people with children need to be adults. It is their responsibility to keep their children safe, not the manufacturer's or the government's.
I spend my weekends in Pittsburgh for band practice. My guitarists roommate has a 2 year old son who visits every weekend. I always make sure all of my vaping stuff is cleaned up and in a place where he can't get to it.
The father also just started vaping. I had a talk with him about the dangers of e liquid and kids and he is going to keep it in a safe place when his kid is over.
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The father also just started vaping. I had a talk with him about the dangers of e liquid and kids and he is going to keep it in a safe place when his kid is over.
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How about a poll:
Should stupid people have kids, keep nic in their homes, and own guns.
It's their right.
Or how about every time you see someone make a stupid, unsafe recommendation anywhere in this forum, call them out on it. Pipe Bomb mods, cheap Chinese batteries, high concentration Nic juice, any generally accepted unsafe practice. Call them on it. Use derogatory words that the forum software won't catch.
Most of us are smart enough not to do anything unsafe for us, our kids, or friends. It's only 1% that come to the forum that aren't bright enough to do some of these things safely. GO forth, and badger the Stupid
Should stupid people have kids, keep nic in their homes, and own guns.
It's their right.
Or how about every time you see someone make a stupid, unsafe recommendation anywhere in this forum, call them out on it. Pipe Bomb mods, cheap Chinese batteries, high concentration Nic juice, any generally accepted unsafe practice. Call them on it. Use derogatory words that the forum software won't catch.
Most of us are smart enough not to do anything unsafe for us, our kids, or friends. It's only 1% that come to the forum that aren't bright enough to do some of these things safely. GO forth, and badger the Stupid
Most of us are smart enough not to do anything unsafe for us, our kids, or friends. It's only 1% that come to the forum that aren't bright enough to do some of these things safely. GO forth, and badger the Stupid
Can't fix stupid, I thought you knew that.
But you can have fun trying
Or, you can post here showing how stupid you ain't
Besides, you have to test them to find out if they are truly stupid, or just ignorant.
Or, you can post here showing how stupid you ain't
Besides, you have to test them to find out if they are truly stupid, or just ignorant.
I am curious, why did everyone take what the OP said so personally like it was directed at them? I think he was just making a generalized statement. Yes most of us know this, yes sounds like common sense, but then again maybe there are folks that haven't thought of it that way yet. Remember, a lot of NEW USERS are transitioning from pre-filled carts to e-liquid, so the whole concept of safety practices surrounding e-liquid might be new to them. I personally have no issues with danger labels or child proof caps, it doesn't matter to me either way. Maybe its a good suggestion, maybe its not (I really see this as being no different than mandated vents on mods to add additional safety precautions -- yes I went there). Maybe a calm constructive conversation about this would be better. This thread has kind of gone on way to long and has really deteriorated into petty chest beating ridiculous exaggerated comparisons. No one is disagreeing with the fact that nicotine could be dangerous to yungins. This is a NEW USER forum, and a NEW USER was voicing an opinion and a bunch of "vets" pounced on him like he was indicting the entire forum. Heck, maybe some other NEW USERS may read his post and be reminded of proper safety, as they are NEW USERS and possibly NEW ecig users. This whole thread has really made ECF look rather hostile, while I still consider myself a relatively new user to this forum, I do not think I have ever seen something like this here yet. Usually folks are pretty friendly and helpful and this is the first time I have seen folks get downright nasty (and make ECF resemble any other internet forum out there).
Its Sunday, drink some beer, turn the race on (if that is your fancy) and cut the guy some slack already.
Its Sunday, drink some beer, turn the race on (if that is your fancy) and cut the guy some slack already.
I think so many people were offended by the post because it insulted their intelligence.
What I got from the op's post was "hey you ignorant people who have never thought about nic being dangerous, I am brand new at vaping and just found out it is dangerous. I am super smart and a doctor an you are an ignoramus. I neglected to read the stickies or notice this has been discussed hundreds of times but I am smart and you don't know anything"
Maybe that's not how he meant it
What I got from the op's post was "hey you ignorant people who have never thought about nic being dangerous, I am brand new at vaping and just found out it is dangerous. I am super smart and a doctor an you are an ignoramus. I neglected to read the stickies or notice this has been discussed hundreds of times but I am smart and you don't know anything"
Maybe that's not how he meant it
We vets come to the new member forum to show off
I just went back and reread the first post.
Don't look all that bad to me now.
Sounds thought provoking for a noob, and borring for an experienced expert vaper, modder, DIYer.
The child proof cap idea really must have been the trigger for all this discussion.
Putting warning on labels must have ticked off a bunch also.
Locking up your nic seems to be so much trouble for some, just plain common sense for others.
What was it the OP said that ticked you off?
I'm wondering what his daughter looks like
I just went back and reread the first post.
Don't look all that bad to me now.
Sounds thought provoking for a noob, and borring for an experienced expert vaper, modder, DIYer.
The child proof cap idea really must have been the trigger for all this discussion.
Putting warning on labels must have ticked off a bunch also.
Locking up your nic seems to be so much trouble for some, just plain common sense for others.
What was it the OP said that ticked you off?
I'm wondering what his daughter looks like
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No hope for the human race.
Wait, you mean to tell me this is unsafe?
Maybe I am just thick skinned, but I have read that post several times over trying to understand the outrage, and I really just don't see it being stated that way (he even used the word please
). I think a lot of people are being waaaaaaaaaaaay to sensitive about his statement. It really does not read like a personal attack on anyone or the community. He is just saying "Hey this stuff is dangerous, be careful, maybe some warning labels are in order like any other poisonous type substance". Like I said, it might be redundant to vets, but perhaps not new users....hence the NEW USER forum thingie I was trying to emphasize.
Everyone knows that it can be a deadly substance. but you don't see any warning on a pack of smokes saying it can kill you if ingested because everyone knows that it can be. and when someone preaches about not killing your child parents especially take it to the heart because your telling us something we already know, and it just seemed like he was pointing people out about it like we are putting the children in danger. Of coarse someone will take it the wrong way, But if your not ready for some feedback on a subject that you post on here maybe you shouldn't post on a forum with so many experienced users.
Today there are so many ways to get your thoughts and opinions noted, but don't take it the wrong way when someone else does the same.
Today there are so many ways to get your thoughts and opinions noted, but don't take it the wrong way when someone else does the same.
YOU ARE WRONG. From several posts in the DIY E-Juice threads there are a LOT OF PEOPLE that do not know all the dangers, and experienced DIYers that make light of high concentrations.
People don't understand milliliters, milligrams, or millilitergrams. They don't understand the concentrations they buy, or how to calculate the concentrations they mix up. They buy first. They can't do the math without an online calculator, and some can't even do it then. Some have
NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING, much less, how to do it safely.
Anyone can buy NIC, collect, store, mix, sell, PIF, and MANY DON'T KHOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. (there alan, that's yelling). I've seen comments about liters of 100mg/ml, 100's of 30ml bottles, shipping unlabeled bottles, Mixing DIY juice and storing it in food product containers in the fridge. People still ask if it's dangerous to get nic juice on there skin.
Or get a little in their mouth while vaping,
People spill e-juice. and yes
some have said IN THIS FORUM that you can add it to an energy drink.
You can't fix stupid, ignorant is different.
It's all been said a thousand times before. YUP.
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He posted on the only forum he was allowed to. And I think you're overly "sanitizing" what went on in this thread.
"If you're not ready for some feedback on a subject that you post on here maybe you shouldn't post on a forum with so many experienced users" sounds to too much like "newspeak" for "piss us off noob, and we'll rip you a new one, so think twice before you say anything here".
I think that the success of any forum is enhanced when a prospective poster feels that he or she can express something without getting insulted. Speaking of that, here's a little piece of hospitality I was treated to in another thread on this site:
"I had a feeling you couldn't just back away and shut up. It's argumentative noobs like you that keep lots of vets away from the noob forums. It's a shame. The vets have so much [.... - Ed.] to give. But who wants to help when knuckleheads make it so distasteful to do so".
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/276625-question-about-diy-0-nic-juices-3.html
(Maybe I should protect the identity of who said that, so I'll just say that his initials are "KeysBum").
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It can't be I have been doing it for years! Only problem I have found in the begining was that static electricity built up in the hair and needed extra dryer sheets!
I will add something in defense of op. for the people who say that it has not happened yet (kids getting into ejuice) that does not negate the possibility. It can happen at anytime. We just have to be prudent if we have kids.
I am concerned about my kids getting into my juice but I have taken proper procedures to make sure they can't get into it. They will have to build a tower of chairs or misc items to get on top of the kitchen counter, pick the lock on the kitchen cabinet, then pick the lock on my locking bankers bag containing my nicotine. The only bottle that is not locked up is the one on my pocket.(along with the keys to the cabinent)
I am concerned about my kids getting into my juice but I have taken proper procedures to make sure they can't get into it. They will have to build a tower of chairs or misc items to get on top of the kitchen counter, pick the lock on the kitchen cabinet, then pick the lock on my locking bankers bag containing my nicotine. The only bottle that is not locked up is the one on my pocket.(along with the keys to the cabinent)
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