Nic Tolerance and Certain Liquids & Atomizers

[CaSHMeRe]

Hey Everyone,

Have a series of questions for you all to see if I can help out a client of mine.

Now, it was always my understanding and personal experience that the higher the nic content got, the harsher the throat hit got as well.

With Zero Nic Liquid, the throat hit (as most commonly refer to it as) is almost non existent. This includes smoking Bickfords straight, and any other PG based zero nic liquid.

As I would move up the Nic chart, I would get a harsher throat hit, and so on and so forth.

Throat hits also depend on the device, meaning, a throat it from a mini, is different then that of a pen or a cigar, and vice versa ...

Now, to my questions.
1. How many of you have the same type of device (901 vs. 901 -- Pen vs. Pen) and have 2 different atomizer that produce different types of a throat him.
(Sorry if that wasn't clear. In other words, Both atomizers produce great vapor, but one carries a throat hit and the other doesn't?)

2. For those that started out at zero/low/med ... Did you have to move up a strength or two to get that same throat hit? Not only a nic tolerance here, but also a "throat hit" tolerance?

Any and all replies, much appreciated!

Thanks guys and gals

 

[ApOsTle51]

1. I have a white generic and a black generic pen , both from simon , I find using the same liquid that the black one gives a better kick , but the black one produces more vapour tho. both atomizers have had roughly the same usage.
I've also compared 901 atomizers together and i get much the same result there. some are better than others. I dont know due to the production methods if thats because some run hotter than other which it turn produces a harsher vapour or if it's the battery connection to the atomizer. A battery with a good seal to the atomizer gives a stronger smoke than one which you can hear has less of a seal.

2. Sorry m8ty but cant help on this one as i've always used high

 

[rustylug]

You might want to read my problems im having with Trading Standards ... Its about the nic carts etc etc .... I tried NO NIC CARTS today with my friend next door and we both came to the same result .... It tasted the same as the HIGH NIC CARTS ..... The problem with nicotine is that it takes about 7 sec to hit your brain from your lungs so you 1st thought is ....Hmmm Thats just the same with high nic.... So i will have to try no nic carts infuture to see if its a mind over matter thing lol lol ...Hmmm ... This could work.

 

[Kate]

I agree with Rusty, I don't think the nicotine is what gives throat hit/harshness.

I've found two things do that. One is additives in eliquid (diy eliquid is smooth because it doesn't have the additives, or they are too dilute to notice much). The other thing that can give a harsh vapour is the type of atomiser. My Kissbox atomisers burn hotter than my bling, they cook the eliquid more and that changes the flavour and hit. I don't know why they are harsher with the same juice but they are.

 

[rustylug]

Kate .... I have found that my super mini tastes a bit like plastic sometimes ..... Now i have asl tried my mini over a longer period of time and found the taste still good .... But I MUST SAY .... this was vaping all night lol lol lol .... I think the super mini atomiser design could be a fault, as the bit you suck on is actualy over the vap chamber which gets hot and heats up the plastic cap.... I think the further away the automiser is from the bit you got to suck on the better .... Less chance of a hot plastic taste..... I think the super mini woul suite the light smoker lol lol

 

[Kate]

8-o You don't want to be vaping plastic fumes Rusty, be careful about that.

 

[rustylug]

What gives you the throte hit is the PG .... Its the feeling of taken somthing into lungs ....Thats what i think is 1 big diff between an e-cig and a nic inhaler, But i cant say that live !!!! The next good thing is being able to blow "smoke" back out and make stupit shapes....Whitch a lot of us like to do as im sure you seen on my videos lol lol lol

 

[rustylug]

Thats why i think he mini is better than the super mini, because the atomiser is further away from the plastic cap you suck on !!!!

8-o You don't want to be vaping plastic fumes Rusty, be careful about that.

 

[Ruby]

I don't think it's the nic either. My diluted e-liquids seem pretty much the same as the strong stuff, I just vape the lower e-liquid more frequently whereas with the strong liquid I can put it down and take a break.

My 901's deliver different results. Can't figure it out!

I get more hit with my penstyle.

I also notice if I exhale through my nose I seem to feel more hit. It's difficult to describe because I feel it at the back of my throat in the sec before it goes through the channel to my nose. This doesn't depend on the device I am using - might just be me being odd though!

 

[DeviLFisH]

according to my china frd , he also into e cig but sadly I haven;t order from him yet ,

all the e cig is made in senzeh sorry for the typo mistake is a state in china.there is around 10 factories doing it maybe more.

and each dealers get their goods from there from different factories.

next in the first place e cig is bad quality made.this is a facts.u can see trog also comment alot on negative points on e cig.

but now it seem slowly improving the technology....

till now the atomiser part is the troublesome part .truely speaking.

next atomiser the parts mostly is hand made .

I do tried before various genenic models and branded ones
each got their own draw even using same model
example u are using dsc 901 , if u got two atomisers or more

do this test.
insert new cart in every atomiser .
test with fresh battery
each take a slow drag long draw

after testing playing around the atomisers , u surely can feel some atomisers is good some is bad...some able to draw out the taste well
some got burning tastes.


about nic hit , I feel high nic will have the draw ..the hit on ur throat.
flavours one not much or even none .
don;t mention those non nic and low nic cart .

and thus make me smoke higher nic in real cig?
last time I used to smoke low nic real cig , now move to high nic real cig after vapouring e cig.!!


sorry for talking too much .overall this is my experience .

now I know why some bros prefer throw away type of e cig..
atomisers+ cart , or ruyan throwway cigar.

this concept is good on saving ur money on always buying extra carts.
on topping up the cart.

charging ur e cig battery desperate when run out.

but bad point on throw away e cig concept is ...expensive ..compare those standard e cig .


seriously I respect some of u can quit using e cig or cut down on real cig usage
as far as I know , my china frds still smoking real cig ...beside e cigs.
cos to them e cig still haven;t reach the same feelings the same aftertastes like real cig.
the draw , the after smell in the throat....

especially the draw ..

sorry for my english...and nagging too much

 

[dave1212]

What other things contribute to the throat hit besides the actual nicotine? Received some JC arctic mint today, high nic (18mg PG) and it's like smoking air. TONS of vapor and absolutely no feeling. I was really looking forward to it too but was very dissapointed. So just to be sure it wasn't my atomizer, I dripped some liquid from puresmoker (less nic, like 14mg) into my dse901 and the throat hit was there in full force, just like it had always been, yet with less nicotine. Pepper oil maybe? Or some unknown chemical?

 

[CaSHMeRe]

rusty, kate, devil, ruby, dave ...

thanks for all your input ... now I get to sleep on it ... hasta manana!

 

[SmokingInTexas]

Across my pen styles, I haven't noted a different "throat hit" using the same juice. I do notice a drop in the hit when I dilute the juice, but I'm not convinced it is the nicotine content causing this. I also have one mini I use from time to time. I don't notice any hit difference there either (with same juice), BUT, there is a taste difference between the pen and the mini. So far, I can only attribute this to the atomizer, but I am confused as to why from a technical standpoint. Wonder if it's a mental thing? Could be. No way. Yep. Your an idiot. I am not shut up. Stop typing, they are going to see this. Bite me. Would you both just knock it off.

Ooops.

 

[Rorschach]

I'm really on the fence about this one.

Sometimes I think its the nicotine, sometimes I think it's the atomizer.

Right now though thinking about it, I think it may partly be the atomizer.

I have two Janty Kissbox atomizers and both produce vapor, and only one produces a throat hit, all other things being constant. (on a side note, my automatic switch only produces wisps of vapor and nothing else; and it's the replacement, the first one crapped out too!)

Also, one argument that may eliminate nicotine as a source is the JC case as mentioned above. I had the old batch of JC liquid on high nicotine and I do not ever recall getting a throat hit with high nic JC liquid.

Now I doubt that JC liquid has a "smoothening" agent added to it so my conclusion is that I agree with Kate that there may be something lacking in the JC liquid that other liquids have, perhaps whatever additives.

So....I think it's additives AND atomizers. I'd be hesitant to point to only one thing. Because let's face it, with the technology not in its final and perfect stage, we're going to have some QA issues and inconsistencies with atomizers. I'm glad things are improving, though.

BTW, the place is called Shenzhen, a city in the province of Guangzhou, Southern China. It's part of the Special Economic Zone where China is at its most capitalistic state. Shenzhen used to be a haven for pirated manufactured goods, but things are improving there as well.

 

[cyberdude]

I'm hoping to try some new e-liquid out which is cherry medium nic and vanilla high nic. I was hoping to combine the two together to make a cherry and vanilla smoke much like the flavoured rolling tobacco at a tobacconist. Has anyone else made different mixes?

As for the kick in the throat - do the flavours add to the harshness of the kick, or take it away? What are other people's experiences with the e-liquid? Also, I would be interested to know if they leave an odour behind, because as far as I know the tobacco regular does not leave a smell that another would notice or is it just the taste?

Are the super strengths safe? I've seen 36MG Super High Nicotine brands, and wanted to know if it could cause any problems with headaches or sickness etc...I bet it really kicks the throat too.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.

 

[ted26]

I have 4 pen style atomizers from various suppliers, all give a different flavour and throat hit depending on the way they heat the liquid!

I am undecided on what the nicoteen content does so cant add any info.

But i am sure the throat hit is down to how well the atomizer vaporises the liquid.

The more vapour the less throat hit in my opinion as it is being evenly distributed to the lungs rather than hitting the throat directly.

 

[Ruby]

I'm thinking today that maybe it is flavour more than nic content that provides the hit factor? The carts I have - the flavour is very subtle. When I pep things up a little with my own stronger mixes - I feel I'm getting more hit.
I did a sad little experiment a while back - I stuck some menthol flavour saturated felt onto the top of the cart. Quite an effort to sniff while I vaped but I felt more satisfied. Cleared the old nasal passages too - could be the new vapour rub.
Might just be psychological. Or maybe I am just nasally orientated8-o.
I think I need therapy - since this e-cig thing my behaviour has
got strange.

 

[dflachbart]

Just wanted to add my experience with one specific liquid: Janty RY4. I started off with a bottle of RY4 (Low), which still has a nice throat hit. After this I switched over to RY4 (no nicotine), and - nothing, the throat hit is gone. Made me think that at least in this particular liquid/flavor the nicotine plays the main role.

Though - the low nicotine liquid has the standard 'light brownish' color, but the no-nicotine liquid is absolutely clear and colorless. It cant' be just the nicotine that is causing the color, since I also had a MLB 0 nic bottle that was brownish too. So maybe it's missing more than just the nicotine, and I still can't say for sure ...


Dirk