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The legendary Kurt,
Well met!
May I ask your opinion ragarding the ejuice in Juul pods?
Do you think that the benzoic acid in their eliquid is safe in a low powered system?
Have you ever tried it?
I am willing to bet that there is PGA in those pods.
I have mixed home made benzoic acid nic salt solutions with "Vaper BC" nic base and "The Broker Vaper" "NicSelect" nic base with comparable results.
Titrating at 6 pH, they are equally really smooth.
Not the same TH as the original Juul eliquid.
Mind you that the Juul liquid is near 60 mg/ml while mine is 45c.
Thanks!
FRoSTy
Well met!
May I ask your opinion ragarding the ejuice in Juul pods?
Do you think that the benzoic acid in their eliquid is safe in a low powered system?
Have you ever tried it?
I am willing to bet that there is PGA in those pods.
I have mixed home made benzoic acid nic salt solutions with "Vaper BC" nic base and "The Broker Vaper" "NicSelect" nic base with comparable results.
Titrating at 6 pH, they are equally really smooth.
Not the same TH as the original Juul eliquid.
Mind you that the Juul liquid is near 60 mg/ml while mine is 45c.
Thanks!
FRoSTy
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Having parked my nic with benzoic acid experiments for a while due to not liking the monged feeling i was getting, i was inspired to give it another go by a recent thread elsewhere. This is when i realised my calculations were way off, due to mixing by total volume, rather than by weight of acid to nicotine.
Thanks to @gt_1955 for pointing out that im an idiot and i should have been mixing 3:4 benzoic to nicotine by weight. After much patience and some more lessons on maths from gt, i managed to make a batch that vapes much better. Less mong, more hit.
This is my method now;
I have 7.2% nicotine, which is 7.2g per 100ml, and if i add 5.4g of benzoic to that, no matter how i cut the nic, the ratios will always be correct. One problems is i didnt want to heat the nic to dissolve the benzo.
To preserve the nic from heat, and get a batch of 100ml 36mg juice, i added 2.7g of benzo to 50ml of PG (or VG), heated it at 60c to dissolve, cooled it off in the fridge, then added 50ml of 7.2% nic to make 100ml at the correct ratio.
Gave it a good stir and 30mins or so to react at room temperature, and it was good to go. Obviously, you can sub some the PG for flavour ect. Using VG nic, its easier to get the right ratios at high nic levels.
Follow these wise words from gt and you cant go wrong. (Maybe.. lol)
Thanks to @gt_1955 for pointing out that im an idiot and i should have been mixing 3:4 benzoic to nicotine by weight. After much patience and some more lessons on maths from gt, i managed to make a batch that vapes much better. Less mong, more hit.
This is my method now;
I have 7.2% nicotine, which is 7.2g per 100ml, and if i add 5.4g of benzoic to that, no matter how i cut the nic, the ratios will always be correct. One problems is i didnt want to heat the nic to dissolve the benzo.
To preserve the nic from heat, and get a batch of 100ml 36mg juice, i added 2.7g of benzo to 50ml of PG (or VG), heated it at 60c to dissolve, cooled it off in the fridge, then added 50ml of 7.2% nic to make 100ml at the correct ratio.
Gave it a good stir and 30mins or so to react at room temperature, and it was good to go. Obviously, you can sub some the PG for flavour ect. Using VG nic, its easier to get the right ratios at high nic levels.
Follow these wise words from gt and you cant go wrong. (Maybe.. lol)
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Is Citric still a viable option? Do the new measurements mean that the flavour you experienced with it would be less of an issue?
I ask, because I have some sitting here...
I can taste it, and the nic is less smooth than with benzo. Different kind of hit, more uplifting.
Ive used citric with tropical fruit flavours and benzo with a tobacco NET.
there was a thread about this but looks like it got nuked for vendor bashing. cliff notes are the email said that but nothing on their site/forums confirmed it
Thx. I haven't been here for a few days and I'm 1,000's posts behind on several threads (no exaggeration). Geeze. Miss a few days and the entire vape scene changes. I thought it was odd their nic wasn't included.
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This is rather interesting... probably gonna just sell the lot to another vendor still in business, instead of going through the trouble of filling a bazillion orders from deal seeking vapers.
Still... sad to see another vendor close their doors.
I quite enjoyed the nic I received from RTS; held a candle to my usual favorite nic from VT.
If they do drop pricing on their 100mg liters back down to under $50... I'll be stocking up.I might look up other forums and see if they have more info. They could be doing wholesale only. Good nic plus they were a "stealthy" nic shipper.This is rather interesting... probably gonna just sell the lot to another vendor still in business, instead of going through the trouble of filling a bazillion orders from deal seeking vapers.
Still... sad to see another vendor close their doors.
I quite enjoyed the nic I received from RTS; held a candle to my usual favorite nic from VT.
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This is rather interesting... probably gonna just sell the lot to another vendor still in business, instead of going through the trouble of filling a bazillion orders from deal seeking vapers.
Still... sad to see another vendor close their doors.
I quite enjoyed the nic I received from RTS; held a candle to my usual favorite nic from VT.
This may end up deleted but from what I read in the thread I can't find now, and on other forums, they have done this 'going out of business' email in the past (a year or so ago) but never actually went out of business. Consensus was it was a ploy to drum up quick sales/cash since their site didn't mention it.
I have 4 x 120ml of their vg ready to freeze nic in my freezer I haven't touched, and doubt I would order from them again even if it was on sale, now that I am comfortable breaking down cheaper nic and purging the oxygen with argon myself.
I was wrong, thread was not deleted, just buried a few pages down when I was looking for it earlier I guess - RTS Vapes going out of buisness?
Looks like they might actually be going out of business but just haven't updated the site to match the email and what was posted on their forums.
Looks like they might actually be going out of business but just haven't updated the site to match the email and what was posted on their forums.
That's not cricket... but, I could see how a vendor might stoop to such tactics if their sales figures were slumping due to heavy competition in the market. However, if that were the case, it still wouldn't be an acceptable form of gaining business.
We shall see...
May be this has been addressed already but is there any known nic concentrate that was on the market for vaping before the 2007 deeming grandfather date? If yes will other suppliers slip through the net with substantial equivilence?
'...for vaping.' I don't know, but think it has been around a while as an insecticide.
There was a huge search and answer was no. The key was "MARKETED" in the USA pre Feb 2009. At that time folks were refilling cartridges with nic bought direct from China. There was no company selling nic in the USA until later that year. Kinda odd the FDA pulled a date out of the hat that just missed the first imports "marketed" in the USA.
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Not a fan of benzoic acid inhalation myself. Don't know what it does in the lungs. Sodium benzoate is a preservative with anti-mold and anti-bacteria qualities, but it may be carcinogenic:
Sodium benzoate is a preservative that promotes cancer and kills healthy cells
I don't think it is the sodium ion that is the problem here, rather the benzoate ion, which will be formed in high quantities in a nicotine salt solution with benzoic acid. Thus I have been puzzled by the rather ubiquitous use of benzoic acid to make nic salt solutions. I would not use it myself.
Citric or ascorbic acid are two I would be more supportive of. Both very safe and ubiquitous in biology. Pyruvic acid is another that has been used in nic inhaling tech (Altria propellant device that never got to market), and should also be safe for the same reasons. At least as far as we understand inhaling these compounds. Vermont Vapor (now out of business, very sad) used citric acid to lower pH of their DIY nic solutions to remove the smell of nicotine in manufacturing. I don't think they ever called their nic a salt solution, but the pH was around 8.5, meaning that about half of the nic was protonated to salt form. A remarkable and excellent nic, very smooth, with a slower nic effect when inhaled. This seems to go along with the general reports of salt solutions, and the general effect that the salt form is more slowly absorbed than the free-base form orally and in the throat, where most of absorption occurs with low-wattage vaping.
Haven't been on the forum much. Figured I'd post an update on my nic stash. I've been vaping unflavored more and more lately. I'm probably up to 75% unflavored nowadays. I still love my Hangsen tobaccos so don't get me wrong, I still love flavored juice but unflavored is so easy on coils/wicks that it's a pleasure to use. For those who have never gone unflavored, the vape definitely has flavor. And a very pleasant one at that. The VG adds a natural sweetness and a flavor that slightly resembles coconut (but not really.lol).
I recently pulled the oldest bottle of nic I have (RTS circa August 2013). It's perfectly clear and basically identical to the day I bought it. I'm vaping it unflavored right now and love the mild background flavor. I've always had a hunch that properly stored nic lasts far longer than any of us think. 20+ years? Kurt has covered this stuff in detail over the years (Kurt is a rockstar in this sub!).
When I mix unflavored now I do a full liter at a time. It lasts me over 6 months and I store it on a dark shelf. Just like Kurt has mentioned in previous posts...it gets BETTER with age! The end of my last liter morphed into my favorite unflavored mix to date. It was at least 6 months old and took on a slight yellow tint. The flavor transformed into something similar to a slight woody/nutty tobacco note that sat just in the background. VG was still the primary flavor but the aged nic base became awesome all on its own. I'm going to age a 120ml bottle of unflavored juice 1 year and see what happens. It's going to be a long wait but who cares. It's dirt cheap and I have enough nic on hand to last the rest of my life and probably half of somebody elses. lol
I recently pulled the oldest bottle of nic I have (RTS circa August 2013). It's perfectly clear and basically identical to the day I bought it. I'm vaping it unflavored right now and love the mild background flavor. I've always had a hunch that properly stored nic lasts far longer than any of us think. 20+ years? Kurt has covered this stuff in detail over the years (Kurt is a rockstar in this sub!).
When I mix unflavored now I do a full liter at a time. It lasts me over 6 months and I store it on a dark shelf. Just like Kurt has mentioned in previous posts...it gets BETTER with age! The end of my last liter morphed into my favorite unflavored mix to date. It was at least 6 months old and took on a slight yellow tint. The flavor transformed into something similar to a slight woody/nutty tobacco note that sat just in the background. VG was still the primary flavor but the aged nic base became awesome all on its own. I'm going to age a 120ml bottle of unflavored juice 1 year and see what happens. It's going to be a long wait but who cares. It's dirt cheap and I have enough nic on hand to last the rest of my life and probably half of somebody elses. lol
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