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Does anyone know whether impurities in nicotine increase Throat Hit, or do they reduce it. I do know in DIY, some flavorings increase the TH and others do the opposite. Sorry about the Nubee question.

Surely it's likely to depend on what the impurity is, but it would make sense that most impurities would either decrease the throat hit, if they are reducing the overall nic content or have no effect if the are not affecting nic percentage. Given that most juice ingredients don't affect throat hit, it is likely that most impurities would also not affect it. They are much more likely to affect flavour/colour. The results will obviously be dependent on what the impurity is and the volume of it and may even be dependent on how it reacts with nicotine or the carrier/added flavouring under various environmental conditions, such as temperature, exposure to light/oxygen, etc.

Not knowing any of the above variables reinforces the need for purity to ensure there is nothing that will potentially alter results.
 

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Does anyone know whether impurities in nicotine increase Throat Hit, or do they reduce it. I do know in DIY, some flavorings increase the TH and others do the opposite. Sorry about the Nubee question.

Not known, really. I suspect they do increase TH, depending on what they are. Trace non-nic alkaloids might interact with the throat and nose differently than nic. Residual solvents would probably have a larger effect. But it is speculative. I find the less pure nics do often have more TH/nasal pepper, and the very pure ones not as much. That said, I am not aware of any LOW purity nics out there. They are either very good, excellent or crazy-pure, in my experience. Not worth it to the vendor financially to sell slightly cheaper low-grade nic...customers would complain publically.
 

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Not known, really. I suspect they do increase TH, depending on what they are. Trace non-nic alkaloids might interact with the throat and nose differently than nic. Residual solvents would probably have a larger effect. But it is speculative. I find the less pure nics do often have more TH/nasal pepper, and the very pure ones not as much. That said, I am not aware of any LOW purity nics out there. They are either very good, excellent or crazy-pure, in my experience. Not worth it to the vendor financially to sell slightly cheaper low-grade nic...customers would complain publically.

Anything that contributes to Sneeze Factor is a plus.
 

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So ECF user mingi was kind enough to send me two samples of MFS and Nude Nicotine as I stated above. I have no idea which is which as they are labeled 'A' and 'B'. I sent him a PM thanking him and have yet to hear back. He's super busy at the moment so hopefully we'll hear back from him. Maybe we'll never know what 'A' and 'B' are !

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One has acquired more of a tan then the other. The lighter liquid wasn't clear either, despite looking that way in the pic. Mingi told me they were both stored in glass at room temperature.

Being silly (please do NOT do this) I nosed both bottles and was surprised to find far less nicotine odor than I was expecting based on the appearance. B was a touch more intense than A, but they were both pretty mellow. At most B was similar to my recent batch of WLR, nothing close to the MFS I have from the olden days. I caught a whiff of that caramel thing that WLR had recently (Kurts description I think, but I took to it!) A was even lighter, but not quite as light as WLI/XTR (I'm going off memory here, we all know how reliable that is...). Nothing offensive in either.

Both mixed down to 18 mg with 82% home cooked acqueous VG

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sorry if you have to strain your neck to look at this one, I can't battle photobucket anymore :facepalm:

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    I've made 1 liter of 40mg base liquid from the raw ingredients last week and while it was pretty clear to start with it's already starting to discolor towards the "B" liquid in your picture. Liquid "A" seems unnaturally colorless to me.

    Agreed. I hope I'm not ingesting some nasty chemical used to change the yellow to clear. Perhaps the yellow is just oxidation.
     

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    Nicotine is naturally colorless to slightly yellow. Anyone who think colorless nicotine is unusual has been gazing at oxidized nicotine too long.

    If you're referring to Yo Han's post, that person is here from '08. I heard alot of nic from back then tended to look mostly yellow.
     

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    Nicotine is naturally colorless to slightly yellow. Anyone who think colorless nicotine is unusual has been gazing at oxidized nicotine too long.
    Like I said, my mix was pretty much colorless to start with. But after just 1 week it's already starting to color. That's why I'm surprised the "A" liquid is so clear.
     

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    Like I said, my mix was pretty much colorless to start with. But after just 1 week it's already starting to color. That's why I'm surprised the "A" liquid is so clear.

    Not really surprising as "A", nor "B" is not a mix and has probably had limited time open to air. Flavorings react over time and cause color shifts. Oxygen reacts with nicotine and causes a pinkish-amber color as it oxidizes. The PG, or VG, base helps slow the oxidation too. (It also seems to slow the flavoring reactions too which is why steeping is a reoccurring topic.)

    If your nicotine is turning that quickly without anything being done to it, then it was on the edge when you obtained it.

    "B" looks like an older nicotine solution to me. With enough time and headspace, "A" should turn the same color.
     

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    Speaking of aqueous VG, I have noticed distilled water enhances throat hit. Has anyone else noticed the same thing, and what is the optimum combination of DW/VG for the best throat hit. I have heard some liquids go as high as 30%DW/70%VG. Interesting to know how that much H2O affects the vape.

    There are entire threads devoted to TH............
     

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