Nicotine Comparisons

[Cyrus Vap]

RTS 100 mg/ml 100% VG was stored in the freezer after the round up, relatively clear

Amber glass bottle, wrapped in paper towels, sealed ziploc bag, covered in ice packs

This is what emerged

Left to Right: Undiluted nic, The Black Beast, PG in a Humco Bottle

 

[AzPlumber]

Hey fellow vapernaughts, hope all is well with everyone. Joining in to subscribe the lazy way. Give me some time to read through but looked very interesting after reading just a few posts.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Az in the house!

 

[EasyT]

Hey there AzPlumber

Questions CV, How does the undiluted Nic color compare to when you placed it in the freezer? And how long was it stored in the freezer?

And on another note. I'm still messing with higher PG %'s. I mixed up some *cough* Torque56 *cough* and some TPA RY4 both at about 80% PG and I just don't like them. And after spending more time with PG I think it's the alcohol that's just killing it for me.

 

[Jimi D.]

Hey there AzPlumber

Questions CV, How does the undiluted Nic color compare to when you placed it in the freezer? And how long was it stored in the freezer?

And on another note. I'm still messing with higher PG %'s. I mixed up some *cough* Torque56 *cough* and some TPA RY4 both at about 80% PG and I just don't like them. And after spending more time with PG I think it's the alcohol that's just killing it for me.

Is it an alcohol taste? PG is not supposed to contain alcohol.

 

[wolcen]

Is it an alcohol taste? PG is not supposed to contain alcohol.

I think it's just how it comes across to some people (i.e. alcohol-like). PG itself is a diol or double-alcohol - I have no idea how that translates to taste. PG (when ingested) is - in part - also metabolized by the same means as ethanol.

Again...no idea the bearing of any of this on taste, but of course, as you say: PG should be just PG, not PG+Alcohol.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

it was relatively clear before it went in the freezer. appearance was basically as I described it in the round up, as immediately after that I put the entirety of the unmixed portion into the freezer. the yellowing was pretty impressive.

Jimi I think he was referring to the "alcoholish" notes in PG that I, and he, seem to taste. I think its time we all got on the PG you have!

Hey there AzPlumber

Questions CV, How does the undiluted Nic color compare to when you placed it in the freezer? And how long was it stored in the freezer?

And on another note. I'm still messing with higher PG %'s. I mixed up some *cough* Torque56 *cough* and some TPA RY4 both at about 80% PG and I just don't like them. And after spending more time with PG I think it's the alcohol that's just killing it for me.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

wolcen!!!! where have you been!

 

[AzPlumber]

Hey Cyrus, Jimi, Wolcen and nice to meet you EasyT

Nice thread Cyrus, just glad it was you and not me. I am sorry I missed out on the real time antics but it was a fun read. I agree with you whole heartedly on the MFS nic. I also have a ton in the freezer, because I like it in certain flavors (mostly tobacco) and love to vape it unflavored. I also like the VZ & ECX nic and use them mostly with the fruity type flavors that I occasionally vape. The ECX has a bit heavier th imo but still a great nic. I do need to try some extreme nic at some point but suspect that it is on par with VZ or ECX as far as my buds are concerned.

Wolcen, both PG and VG are alcohols, also not sure how that correlates to the alcohol taste but they are all classified the same. For some reason the alcohol name stuck to the drinking stuff but it relay should be refereed to as ethanol. For me the choice to use mostly VG is not a taste issue, although I think VG is slightly sweeter. It is more so because of the drying effect that PG has on me and also the texture of PG just seems harsh, maybe because of the drying.

 

[wolcen]

wolcen!!!! where have you been!

It has been a crazy ride since July 6th. The fire department came along and found our dwelling unsafe, so the landlord put us up in a hotel. Long story, short: we ended up moving out the following week, which was supposed to be my first real vacation in years. It all stunk, but it was certainly better than trying to move during an actual work week.

Anyway...all over (for now). Aside from that, I guess I just haven't had a whole heck of a lot to say.

One cool thing is there's a little mom & pop vape shop here. Haven't had a chance to swing in yet, but hopefully soon. Unfortunately (not surprising really) they only appear to sell Dekang juice and not for cheap. Oh well - it's something local, so that's a start.

Nice to see you all Hi Az! Haven't seen you around much myself lately. I thought so about VG (also an alcohol). I used to keep a separate little bottle of PG for clearing flavors but haven't had one for a bit. I really have to taste test my current stash of VG & PG separately. Interesting notes on the "sweetness" aspect I wanted to get a feel for and besides I think something I have has a funny flavor to it that I should have figured out by now.

 

[Jimi D.]

Thanks for clearing that up for me guys.

 

[EasyT]

My bad. I didn't phrase that very well.

 

[Hoosier]

Nice thread folks. Enjoyed every post. (Yes, really, every single post.)

I just stumbled here because, frankly, this sub-forum holds no interest for me.

I like finding out that others reuse their Humco bottles for other things too.

A thought about VG and sweetness. As we know, many mixes contain some type of sweetener even if it is very slight. (Like a few drops of Burley Tobacco as an example of very slight sweetness in a mix.) I believe it is the feel of VG that contributes to transfering that taste to the brain. Much like we expect syrup to be sweet, or a cola type soft drink, the feeling, or texture, has a huge impact on perception. The feel, or texture, of PG does not have the same impact on sweetness.

Now I may be wrong and it may be that VG helps the nerves detect sweetness better?

I do know that when vaped straight PG has a slight sweetness almost/kinda metal taste. (Not the copper/fish taste of some nic's.) While VG reminds me more of a very clear olive oil. But when combined with flavoring, a higher VG makes my sweeter mixes work better while higher PG makes my bitter mixes work better.

I'll leave the experts to hash out the rest.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Glad you stumbled here Hoosier, I'm not thrilled about where this thread ended up, but I honestly don't have a better idea. Like you, this sub-forum holds zero interest for me.

Hoosier gave me the final push to try XTR btw, and mwa tied the noose around my neck

 

[stashbldr]

Hoosier gave me the final push to try XTR btw, and mwa tied the noose around my neck

I have some XTR arriving tomorrow, I've never tried it before but read too many good things about it so want to try it. I must say I am not thrilled with the ECX nic, have been using it for the past 2+ months and if I put it in a tank it tends to clog up the carto a bit. Yet if I make the exact same DIY recipe using MFS there is no clogging at all. I only vape at 4mg, so I am not using very much of either the ECX or the MFS, but apparently that little bit that I do use is making a difference in my cartos. I'll make my same DIY recipe using the XTR when it arrives and see how it works in a carto/tank.

And again Cyrus, thanks for this thread (even tho it is a strange place to have it on the forum .. wish it was in the DIY section).

 

[Cyrus Vap]

stashbldr that's strange stuff!

and the final VG/PG proportions are the same with my both batches I assume?

I think this one is over my head lol

I could ask to have it moved to DIY if everyone thinks its appropriate, I just don't know if that will fly with the bosses

 

[casey8579]

Since it is properly a review (and well done btw) thread, it probably does belong in the review section. But on the other hand, if in the DIY forum it would be noticed by more people that could benefit from and contribute to it.

IMO what would be best would be review subforums in the DIY section for the base components of diy liquids.

 

[stashbldr]

stashbldr that's strange stuff!

and the final VG/PG proportions are the same with my both batches I assume?

I think this one is over my head lol

I didn't think much of it the first few times it happened, just assumed I had a bad carto and so I tossed them. But when it happened the 4th time I started to wonder about the nic itself, so I did a detailed experiment using the MFS and the ECX .. both the exact same recipe, exact same VG/PG etc etc .. put each one in a separate tank with separate carto's .. both tanks were the same and both carto's were the same. Punched the same sizes holes in each carto. The ECX one became hard to vape, I had to "pull" on the carto to get a decent hit ... the MFS one was perfect in everyway.

It's funny because I have never had a problem with MFS, albeit I vape at only 4mg nic, but had read that the ECX was good and since I order most of my flavorings from them I included a bottle of nic 2 months ago in my order. I always get my nic in 100% PG because I find it easier to work with .. then I mix all my DIY juices to end up at 65% PG and 35% VG.

I've hesitated writing about this because I thought maybe mine is just a fluke, seeing how everyone else seems to have no problems with the ECX nic. But I did another batch of the ECX nic last week ... and ... same thing happened.

 

[casey8579]

It was discussed earlier earlier in the thread about the source of one of High Desert's nic suppliers being RTS.

From RTS's latest rant

highdessert e-cig does not resell our nicotine anymore even though they imply they do.

this no longer seems to be the case. Assuming it meant High Desert and not some other supplier named highdessert I am not aware of.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I didn't think much of it the first few times it happened, just assumed I had a bad carto and so I tossed them. But when it happened the 4th time I started to wonder about the nic itself, so I did a detailed experiment using the MFS and the ECX .. both the exact same recipe, exact same VG/PG etc etc .. put each one in a separate tank with separate carto's .. both tanks were the same and both carto's were the same. Punched the same sizes holes in each carto. The ECX one became hard to vape, I had to "pull" on the carto to get a decent hit ... the MFS one was perfect in everyway.

It's funny because I have never had a problem with MFS, albeit I vape at only 4mg nic, but had read that the ECX was good and since I order most of my flavorings from them I included a bottle of nic 2 months ago in my order. I always get my nic in 100% PG because I find it easier to work with .. then I mix all my DIY juices to end up at 65% PG and 35% VG.

I've hesitated writing about this because I thought maybe mine is just a fluke, seeing how everyone else seems to have no problems with the ECX nic. But I did another batch of the ECX nic last week ... and ... same thing happened.

hey if its happening, its happening, and I believe you. I just have no idea how to even begin to guess at why lol ! MFS is having a 20% off sale until midnight tonight btw, you may want to load up! And if you're happy with MFS, you'll love wizard, possibly a hair more, so I'd just go to whoever is cheapest at any given moment. But then again your XTR is coming, may change the game for you

It was discussed earlier earlier in the thread about the source of one of High Desert's nic suppliers being RTS.

From RTS's latest rant
highdessert e-cig does not resell our nicotine anymore even though they imply they do.
this no longer seems to be the case. Assuming it meant High Desert and not some other suplier named highdessert I am not aware of.

LMAO casey !