Nicotine Comparisons

[aikanae1]

I figure it's impossible to overbuy nic, since there will be some that are caught by surprise and new vapers. I can easily see where trading supplies will become much more common.

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[schatz]

Two hundred & thirteen pages & it's still a guessing game . Thank God i didn't follow this from the beginning because i would of freaked out for sure .

Similar to basketball game with one minute to go , tied 98/98.

A couple of years ago it was important to know what you were ordering, the nics really varied alot more. And its been very interesting to follow this thread throughout. I think today if I just stumbled into the diy I would go back acouple of months and start from there. Thank you guys for all of the informative and very useful commentary on the various nics out there, I have kind of stalked this thread for a couple years and not contributed much because I am a man of simple tastes and as long as it doesnt taste like burned rubber I am good. Time might be short.

 

[Dubminer]

I just tried some of my 2L order i just got from RTS. I mixed it unflavored at 10%. Extremely clean tasting with a very subtle back taste that kind of reminds me of dry white wine.It is barely there though.I am very impressed with it,very smooth.I love NN and to me this equals it.The only other one i have tried is ECX and that was very peppery.

 

[nilesong]

This is my order week. I'm gonna order a liter each from NN, RTS, NR, and VT - TH. Also going to order the 120ml sample size from Carolina X as well, just because. Maybe 2 liters from VT. I figure I'll have a nice variety. Gonna be an expensive week!

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[Fozzy71]

This is my order week. I'm gonna order a liter each from NN, RTS, NR, and VT - TH. Also going to order the 120ml sample size from Carolina X as well, just because. Maybe 2 liters from VT. I figure I'll have a nice variety. Gonna be an expensive week!

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Sounds cheaper than my last couple weeks of rtas + mods + coils + nic + diy gear......... I had never heard of the deeming regs until just a few weeks ago when I joined ECF.

 

[herb]

If the FDA is against open tank systems you can be sure diy nic will be targeted. They have always claimed "nicotine is a drug".

The biggest change 8/8 will be shipping regs and proof of ID. That will easily double shipping costs. The way the regs are written, there's more than one way to interpret them = a lot of confusion about compliance. Sometimes it seems like it's an intentional catch 22. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

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Great info thanks .

 

[herb]

This is my order week. I'm gonna order a liter each from NN, RTS, NR, and VT - TH. Also going to order the 120ml sample size from Carolina X as well, just because. Maybe 2 liters from VT. I figure I'll have a nice variety. Gonna be an expensive week!

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My God man, that will last for a few generations for sure.

 

[herb]

Time might be short.

Hang in there my friend , even if your in the "post fossil" stage of life i'm sure you can put off expiring early by taking walks around the neighborhood .

Death can't come fast enough for me however & i haven't even reached "pre fossil" stage of life yet but the world has gone full ...... so now is as good a time as ever to expire i suppose .

 

[aikanae1]

Great info thanks .

I got it from an info graphic from "not blowing smoke" and from their facebook page. There's quite a bit of information there on what to expect.

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[Bob Chill]

Nic quality is individual opinion and we're all unique on what we like. Premix juice illustrates this well. Once person can rave about a mix and the very next post is someone who just finished gagging on their first vape.

Nic is much less in your face but the premise is the same. We all have different tastes and preferences. The best way to go is to order the smallest bottle available from 4-5 well known suppliers and try each unflavored and see what you think. It's cheap and a lot smarter way to go when deciding on what to order large quantities of than relying on opinions in this thread.

For someone who isn't really picky then just about any reputable supplier is pretty safe. If you are picky about taste and TH then you should try them all first. You'll feel really good about your bulk purchase with no stress.

 

[DaveP]

I received my first 2 liters of 100mg nic base this week. Prior to that my DIY experience consists of using unflavored or very lightly flavored store bought juice as a base for adding my own Lorann's flavorings.

When you read the precautions about handling 100mg/ml nic base it makes you want to forget about it. They talk about inhalation danger, skin absorption, contamination in the mixing area, and advise you to wear a fume hood, gloves, shop coat, and eye protection. I get that gloves are a good idea. I have boxes of nitrile gloves in my workshop for using stains and solvents in woodworking.

Everyone I've talked to in DIY forums says that they just wash it off when it contacts skin and they've experienced no harmful effects from inhaling air around the 100mg containers when mixing. Some say they sniff it to compare aroma from different brands! So, I guess the precautionary instructions are good for safety, but not something to be overly concerned as long as I'm careful when I mix it down to break up a liter of 100mg nic base. I'll just keep a fan running and pointed out the basement door just in case and buy some long nitrile gloves to cover my forearms.

Once I calculated how far my 2 liters would go in making 3mg juice I realized I had severely over-ordered. Now, I'm thinking that I'l just break one of my two liters of 100mg down into 4 liters of 25mg and keep the other intact. Is this a good idea or should I take some of it down to a strength where I just add flavorings?

I never realized how far a liter of 100mg nic can expand if you vape 3mg juice. At 10ml a day x 3mg that's 30mg of nic. Times 365 it's 10,950mg. If a liter has 100mg x 1000ml that's 100,000 / 10,950 = 9 years of juice. My two liters of 100mg nic base will last me 18 years. Is that right?

 

[Fozzy71]

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I never realized how far a liter of 100mg nic can expand if you vape 3mg juice. At 10ml a day x 3mg that's 30mg of nic. Times 365 it's 10,950mg. If a liter has 100mg x 1000ml that's 100,000 / 10,950 = 9 years of juice. My two liters of 100mg nic base will last me 18 years. Is that right?

Correct according to this - RTS Vapes Nicotine Use Calculator

 

[DaveP]

Correct according to this - RTS Vapes Nicotine Use Calculator

Thanks, that's a great spreadsheet calculator! It opened up in my Apache OpenOffice spreadsheet app and worked fine. I saved it to my desktop for future use.

 

[Bob Chill]

I received my first 2 liters of 100mg nic base this week. Prior to that my DIY experience consists of using unflavored or very lightly flavored store bought juice as a base for adding my own Lorann's flavorings.

When you read the precautions about handling 100mg/ml nic base it makes you want to forget about it. They talk about inhalation danger, skin absorption, contamination in the mixing area, and advise you to wear a fume hood, gloves, shop coat, and eye protection. I get that gloves are a good idea. I have boxes of nitrile gloves in my workshop for using stains and solvents in woodworking.

Everyone I've talked to in DIY forums says that they just wash it off when it contacts skin and they've experienced no harmful effects from inhaling air around the 100mg containers when mixing. Some say they sniff it to compare aroma from different brands! So, I guess the precautionary instructions are good for safety, but not something to be overly concerned as long as I'm careful when I mix it down to break up a liter of 100mg nic base. I'll just keep a fan running and pointed out the basement door just in case and buy some long nitrile gloves to cover my forearms.

I'm not saying this is a good idea but I have deep inhaled every single bottle of 100mg nic I've ever received. The initial odor is important for grading the quality. I never even feel it and I only vape 6mg. My wife does the same so we can compare notes on what we think we are smelling. It's not like I hyperventilate over the bottle or anything. But at least 4-6 deep nose inhales. I've never even felt a remote nic sick feeling doing it. Again, it's nothing I recommend but my experience over time has allowed me to feel perfectly comfortable working with 100mg stuff.

I wear long rubber gloves when I break big bottles down. That's the only real chance for me at a massive spill onto skin. But when mixing I don't even wear gloves. I keep my working bottle secured in a hole cut in a foam cushion. No chance of it spilling. Getting a couple drops on my skin has never bothered me one bit. Yes, I wash it off right away but I don't even blink an eye. I've been working with it for 3+ years now and have never had a single problem. I'm definitely not giving any advice to do what I do. Just sharing my experience to calm some new DIY'ers nerves.

I sort of look at it this way. Many folks start @ 24mg. Most don't worry one iota if some gets on their skin. I know I didn't. 100mg is only 4 times stronger. It's really not the dangerous "potent toxic chemical" that many are afraid of. Is there some inherent danger using it? Sure. Is it easy to use it safely with zero worries? Absolutely. Good practice and common sense will take the worries out of it.

 

[DaveP]

I sort of look at it this way. Many folks start @ 24mg. Most don't worry one iota if some gets on their skin. I know I didn't. 100mg is only 4 times stronger. It's really not the dangerous "potent toxic chemical" that many are afraid of. Is there some inherent danger using it? Sure. Is it easy to use it safely with zero worries? Absolutely. Good practice and common sense will take the worries out of it.

Thanks Bob, that's good information. Now, if I can just count on frozen nic base being good after I use up the first liter in 9 years from now!

I used to get 24mg on my fingers pretty often while filling a tank and had absolutely no ill effects. It makes sense to be careful, but some of the articles make it sound like just being in the room with an open container could be fatal. I guess that's all written for people who do it all day every day. I can understand why 40 hours a week in a juice production lab would require a hazmat suit.

FDA or not, I have way too much 100mg nic base with two liters and vaping only 3mg.

 

[Bob Chill]

That's good information, Bob. Now, if I can just count on frozen nic base being good after I use up the first liter in 9 years from now!

I'm almost 100% sure it will be perfectly vapable. 6 years has already been proven. I have yet to see any change in any of my bottles but that is only 3 years and counting. IMO- worst case is it loses strength (probably minimal). I plan on testing my bottles as they come out once I hit the 5 year mark. I'm not expecting anything bad. Thank god nic base doesn't "spoil" in a short period of time. That would suck for all of us.

 

[Rossum]

When you read the precautions about handling 100mg/ml nic base it makes you want to forget about it. They talk about inhalation danger, skin absorption, contamination in the mixing area, and advise you to wear a fume hood, gloves, shop coat, and eye protection. I get that gloves are a good idea. I have boxes of nitrile gloves in my workshop for using stains and solvents in woodworking.

All that is probably warranted if someone is playing with pure nic, but 100 mg/ml is 10%..

Back about a year ago, when we did the "blind test" in this very thread, I had both my wife any my daughter, neither of whom have any history of nic use and zero "tolerance" to it smell-test all four the 100 mg/ml samples. Neither of them reported any effects at all. My daughter helped me bottle the samples that got sent out. We did this on our kitchen island. In Florida. In the summer, so no windows were open. It did not affect her in the slightest.

Now, I'm thinking that I'l just break one of my two liters of 100mg down into 4 liters of 25mg and keep the other intact. Is this a good idea or should I take some of it down to a strength where I just add flavorings?

How much freezer space are you willing to dedicate to this? Personally, I only mix down a few months worth at a time.

I never realized how far a liter of 100mg nic can expand if you vape 3mg juice. At 10ml a day x 3mg that's 30mg of nic. Times 365 it's 10,950mg. If a liter has 100mg x 1000ml that's 100,000 / 10,950 = 9 years of juice. My two liters of 100mg nic base will last me 18 years. Is that right?

Sounds right.

 

[puffon]

I received my first 2 liters of 100mg nic base this week. Prior to that my DIY experience consists of using unflavored or very lightly flavored store bought juice as a base for adding my own Lorann's flavorings.

When you read the precautions about handling 100mg/ml nic base it makes you want to forget about it. They talk about inhalation danger, skin absorption, contamination in the mixing area, and advise you to wear a fume hood, gloves, shop coat, and eye protection. I get that gloves are a good idea. I have boxes of nitrile gloves in my workshop for using stains and solvents in woodworking.

Everyone I've talked to in DIY forums says that they just wash it off when it contacts skin and they've experienced no harmful effects from inhaling air around the 100mg containers when mixing. Some say they sniff it to compare aroma from different brands! So, I guess the precautionary instructions are good for safety, but not something to be overly concerned as long as I'm careful when I mix it down to break up a liter of 100mg nic base. I'll just keep a fan running and pointed out the basement door just in case and buy some long nitrile gloves to cover my forearms.

Once I calculated how far my 2 liters would go in making 3mg juice I realized I had severely over-ordered. Now, I'm thinking that I'l just break one of my two liters of 100mg down into 4 liters of 25mg and keep the other intact. Is this a good idea or should I take some of it down to a strength where I just add flavorings?

I never realized how far a liter of 100mg nic can expand if you vape 3mg juice. At 10ml a day x 3mg that's 30mg of nic. Times 365 it's 10,950mg. If a liter has 100mg x 1000ml that's 100,000 / 10,950 = 9 years of juice. My two liters of 100mg nic base will last me 18 years. Is that right?

For me, eye protection is the most important.
"Jorgensen" style woodworkers clamps work great for holding a bottle in place.
Just be organized, no distractions...you'll do fine.

 

[DaveP]

All that is probably warranted if someone is playing with pure nic, but 100 mg/ml is 10%..

Back about a year ago, when we did the "blind test" in this very thread, I had both my wife any my daughter, neither of whom have any history of nic use and zero "tolerance" to it smell-test all four the 100 mg/ml samples. Neither of them reported any effects at all. My daughter helped me bottle the samples that got sent out. We did this on our kitchen island. In Florida. In the summer, so no windows were open. It did not affect her in the slightest.

How much freezer space are you willing to dedicate to this? Personally, I only mix down a few months worth at a time.

I'll guess I'll buy a cheap freezer to go in the basement. We have a new 21cf upright in the laundry room, but I'm hesitant to store nic with food, even though many people do.

My wife wants to just buy a $79 refrigerator to go in the basement to keep canned cokes in and store the nic base in the fridge instead of a freezer. Some people ECF have no problem just keeping nic cool, not frozen. If I do that I'll probably buy a vacuum sealer and seal the unused bottle in plastic. I'll keep a small bottle available for mixing.

Some keep it at room temp. That's probably fine for small amounts.

 

[sketchness]

I'll guess I'll buy a cheap freezer to go in the basement. We have a new 21cf upright in the laundry room, but I'm hesitant to store nic with food, even though many people do.

My wife wants to just buy a $79 refrigerator to go in the basement to keep canned cokes in and store the nic base in the fridge instead of a freezer. Some people ECF have no problem just keeping nic cool, not frozen. If I do that I'll probably buy a vacuum sealer and seal the unused bottle in plastic. I'll keep a small bottle available for mixing.

Some keep it at room temp. That's probably fine for small amounts.

I would freeze at least part of it if it is going to be around that long. In glass is preferred from all the reading I have done. No leaching and all plastic is at least slightly porous.