I have wondered about that myself. I've been vaping WL Ice since John first got it .. when it first arrived I was using Xtreme and once I made my ICE (the same recipe as I was using for the Xtreme) they tasted exactly the same. I compared them again one week later and then again 2 weeks later .. they still tasted exactly the same. I've wondered about it ever since .. but duh on me I never imagined they were the exact same ones LOL.
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I have wondered about that myself. I've been vaping WL Ice since John first got it .. when it first arrived I was using Xtreme and once I made my ICE (the same recipe as I was using for the Xtreme) they tasted exactly the same. I compared them again one week later and then again 2 weeks later .. they still tasted exactly the same. I've wondered about it ever since .. but duh on me I never imagined they were the exact same ones LOL.
Tis true, Stash.
I heard it from THE source. Keep the ICE for your personal stash, WL won't be re upping for awhile.
I heard it from THE source. Keep the ICE for your personal stash, WL won't be re upping for awhile.
Good thing I only vape 3mg and stocked up on 5 yrs of ICE back in January LOL. Love the ICE but good to know Xtreme is the same thing because I have some friends who love my ICE , now I can tell them where they can get some!
Thinking about just paying extra and getting the XTR since I only vape 12mg and Wizard Labs is all out of 60 and 48 mg nic in the small sizes, no 100mg nic in VG either... Never tried DIY so I might as well start out with the good stuff. Did the math and 30ml of 50nic is enough for 125ml of 12mg juice
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I just checked WL, and it seems they have low level nic in the smaller sizes, AND in 100% VG.
Yeah, I just figure that higher nic concentrate will give me more freedom to play around with pg/vg ratios.
For what it's worth, DrewGrimey, HighDesertVapes sells Wizards nic in 60mg. Their 60ml price is actually better than the 60ml bottle at Wizards!
HDV has flavors and while they aren't as competitive on the pricing or size as WL, they do have more flavor companies available to try.
HDV has flavors and while they aren't as competitive on the pricing or size as WL, they do have more flavor companies available to try.
HDV didn't have any in the 60ml size and their 30ml was like $6.
Anybody know how long it takes Wizard Labs to restock their nic liquid and flavors? Waiting on that and Bavarian Cream. I sent them a email and they never got back to me... Maybe I'll try calling
Anybody know how long it takes Wizard Labs to restock their nic liquid and flavors? Waiting on that and Bavarian Cream. I sent them a email and they never got back to me... Maybe I'll try calling
NicVape nic is virtually identical to WL Ice, and I know for a fact it is crazy pure nicotine. No taste, no smell, low pepper. Excellent for flavored juices, but, like Ice, a bit boring for unflavored vaping. Reasonable prices too...500 mL of 100 mg is about $80. Comes in polyethylene bottles with small mouth, so easy for pouring into storage glass bottles, and no plasticizers, which means good for short term storage (no plastic is good for long term, but I prefer PE to polycarbonate in general). And NicVape is soon to be AEMSA certified, if they are not already. One of the founding members, and I have great respect for Rich Henning, the owner.
Good price for what you say is a top notch nic liquid... Amazing shipping! $1.75 for a 60ml bottle, nothing I hate more than paying $4+ for a small order.
Anybody else have experience with Nicvape and can compare it with any other Vendors? I couldn't find much info on it. If this is the same quality as WL ICE and XTR then for the price, it's a steal.
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I cannot say it is the same quality as WL Ice, as I have not seen any analysis of WL Ice, and for me quality is determined by the specs, not subjectively. I can say that I cannot tell the difference taste/smell wise to WL Ice, both are what I call "invisible" nics. The analysis of NicVape showed it to be the cleanest nic I have seen, and I have seen analyses for many different and well-known nics, but not any of the WL line. In fact, NicVape was the cleanest the analytical lab that did the AEMSA analysis had seen. As I said, crazy pure, and far purer than what is even required for pharma grade nic. This is not a statement about NicVape, per se, it is a statement about their source for the nicotine. I will not say who the source is, but they are Indian, and are using a pretty advanced purification method post-extraction. I had heard that WL Ice was sourced from India as well, and I suspect it was the same source. I think this particular nicotine manufacturer is making quite a name for itself in the US vendor circles. Would not be surprised if several are using it.
That taste that some of us flavorless fans like (bite, a bit of funk) is evidently NOT nicotine itself, it is the other trace alkaloids and oxides found in even very high-grade nicotine, including pharma grade. These components are allowed below a particular level, but will very depending upon extraction methods, and even the batch. One can also have trace solvent present below a particular level, and depending on that solvent it might have a slight taste that comes through in the vapor. When all these trace components are either missing or very very low, there is no taste and very little smell. With time, of course, nic-oxides will form, and these have their own taste that will grow in, generally a tobacco-like flavor.
That taste that some of us flavorless fans like (bite, a bit of funk) is evidently NOT nicotine itself, it is the other trace alkaloids and oxides found in even very high-grade nicotine, including pharma grade. These components are allowed below a particular level, but will very depending upon extraction methods, and even the batch. One can also have trace solvent present below a particular level, and depending on that solvent it might have a slight taste that comes through in the vapor. When all these trace components are either missing or very very low, there is no taste and very little smell. With time, of course, nic-oxides will form, and these have their own taste that will grow in, generally a tobacco-like flavor.
Sounds good, I don't want to taste the nicotine or have a peppery burn, just a smooth light TH is all I look for. Thanks for all the info, looks like I'll be ordering my nic from NicVape and the pg/vg and flavors from WL
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Drew,
Essential Depot is having a sale right now on a package deal: 1 gallon of USP Food Grade Non-GMO VG and 1 gallon of USP Food Grade PG for $54.49 with free shipping. Sure, it's probably more than you need and a considerable chunk of cash, but a single purchase will give you enough highest-quality PG/VG to last a lifetime, and the unit cost is as low as you'll find---0.7¢/ml.
Link: PG/VG package deal from Essential Depot
This is wonderful info! Just one question about WL source. I've read in two places that their nic comes from China, which was why they were out of it for so long, the physical move notwithstanding. How sure are you about the source in India?
I am not 100% sure, to be honest. It was mentioned somewhere here in ECF, and I happened to pick up on it because I was knew about NicVape. At issue is not China vs India. At issue is the method the nicotine is produced with. Evidently extraction, actually many extractions and "flips" gets nic with some residual alkaloids. These are allowed below a particular level, including with pharma grade nic. And most of the nics used by us are pharma grade, or even better. And in general, they still have a taste when vaping unflavored. Some like it, some don't. Never tried XtremeVaping, but until Ice came along, every nic I had had its own taste. Ice changed that, and it was not expensive. No taste at all, and virtually no odor. Never had anything like it. So Cyrus and I got into a discussion about what it is that gives the taste. Ice changed what I thought I knew about nic, and nic like this has probably changed what e-liquid manufacturers thought they knew about what makes a good, high purity nic. I recall a conversation with one vendor that mixes from free-base, and he also thought that nic SHOULD have that bite and a tight sharp odor, and some pepper, like BE, RTS, ECX, etc. And that is the case for pharma grade. But not Ice...so how do they do it??
For Ice I don't know for sure, but after seeing NicVape's specs, and we all sort of just scratched our heads about them, and knowing the source and HOW they do it (distillation over hydrogen gas at reduced pressure, after the final extraction/flip), suddenly it made sense. You cannot get nic like this from extraction alone, you have to distill the final extracted nicotine in a very specialized way. This method I am sure is well known, but not all plants are geared up for it, and why should they be when pharma grade does not require this to meet standards?
But while this source company is probably also producing pharma grade nic, they want to produce nic especially for vaping...nic that has no taste or odor at normal concentrations. This is what they are primarily dedicated to. As I said, their methods are not a secret, and I'm sure we will see nic like this coming out of China soon too, if it is not here already. I am just familiar with this Indian company right now doing it. I suspect that all "invisible" nics are produced in a similar way. This may also be the case with Xtremevaping.
For Ice I don't know for sure, but after seeing NicVape's specs, and we all sort of just scratched our heads about them, and knowing the source and HOW they do it (distillation over hydrogen gas at reduced pressure, after the final extraction/flip), suddenly it made sense. You cannot get nic like this from extraction alone, you have to distill the final extracted nicotine in a very specialized way. This method I am sure is well known, but not all plants are geared up for it, and why should they be when pharma grade does not require this to meet standards?
But while this source company is probably also producing pharma grade nic, they want to produce nic especially for vaping...nic that has no taste or odor at normal concentrations. This is what they are primarily dedicated to. As I said, their methods are not a secret, and I'm sure we will see nic like this coming out of China soon too, if it is not here already. I am just familiar with this Indian company right now doing it. I suspect that all "invisible" nics are produced in a similar way. This may also be the case with Xtremevaping.
I bought Nicvape quite often. I posted how clean it tasted. It is really great stuff.
Mine is hopefully coming in on Tuesday, I'll post my initial impression... As long as it is clear, oderless and not peppery, it's a win for me... I find Boba's Bounty is very peppery btw and that's why I kinda fell out of love with it. The pepper is the main reason i opted to not go with Wizard Labs
Mr. Red Bird... PM me please. sense i cant PM you.. i dont know why...
Whats up Cyrus!! Congrats!
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