nicotine how much why too much? and what can i do?????

[daventura]

Also of note, pay attention to your vaping technique.

I found that the first week I was swallowing some of the vapor and that definitely caused some stomach discomfort.

Another option for you would be snus.

Cigarettes and all they entail smell frigging nasty to me now, of course, now that my sense of smell has returned.

 

[tnt56]

I appreciate all the help , take everything that is said into consideration . So I do covet your responses .. You do not know how much I appreciate folks taking the time to write . Thanks so much . Ill try to explain and hope you can follow whats my dalema hopefully by this time next week it changes. Grrrrrrrrrrr %^^$#!!!@$ I feel like just going cold turkey getting the withdrawal over with then starting from scratch so I know what is the right thing to do for my body to get well.

Btw I am using discernment logic and common sense, I know this is a learning curve , but some things don't make sense to how I feel.. Sure I know I need to be in control , and yes I am fearful of what is going on. Not scared juts want to understand what to do BC I don't feel well . Perhaps it maybe withdrawal too fast but on the other hand it may be too much nicotine ? Its not dehydration or supporting my body with anti oxidants . . I been experimenting with vapping more frequent with less nicotine.. Also I tried vaping with higher nicotine less frequent and not coming up with a solution yet .

I don't think allergic to PG/VG but have not isolated that completely BC I don't have straight PG . What gets me is sometimes I have a smoke I fell better other times I feel like Sht (I guess that's good RIGHT)? The past 12 days I set a plan to slowly decrease smokes. From day one I dropped 60% by the first week I had cut it Down to 70% and I am ready to drop to ( 3 analogs) daily . Stay at 3 for one week and be done with those nasty poisons FOREVER .

Been using the 4 hour increment model and only allow myself an analog ONLY if I need it during that allotted time and the vape don't cut it. Been vaping every hour or so...
Sometimes I vape and and feel ok other times I feel like sht the headaches don't' concern nor bother me Cuz I know I ant dying besides im drinking plenty of fluids . Its the upset stomach im trying to figure out if its TOO MUCH nicotine or not. Hope that makes sense .

As far as the anxiety I can manage that. The other day it way got too intense so I went out for a Jog . Did 4 miles . That was on day 6 ya know what never felt better during this detox BS . And it lasted for hours . No smoke no vape no nothing , no nicotine , but a good feeling that is natural > now why is that?
But I sit here every hour and feel like crap till I try to get my drug of choice that I think will make me feel better. But I don't Dont get it man...???

Right now I love to vape and look forward to finding wonderful juices that satisfy my crave to replace analogs forever. I know im gonna do it just need help getting there and understanding why I feel like crap and HOW MUCH NICOTINE I should vape ?????

today I bought what I hope to be my last pack of smokes My like I mentioned my goal is to allow myself 3 day over the next 5 days and get rid of them once and for all . Is this a reasonable goal?
The way I feel will help me decide , but NOT if I I don't feel better in the next week of trying to vape correctly .
Sorry so long hopefully ill get something out of your responses to think about meditate on and try to apply as I get through this upcoming week.
THANKS again please if you can share your thoughts
sincerely
Kenny V

Ps
Now I must confess smokes were always my drug of choice I was depended on them to function.They were my best friend for many years . Now I hate them more than anything else

Hey Bro. If your getting an upset tummy then your getting nic/sic. NP. Just slow down and stop trying to put a number of vapes to a number of analogs. My suggestion is to forget about all the numbers!!!!!!!!!!!!!. This equals that don't mean anything for anyone else. FIY I chain vape 18-24mg everyday. I carry no less than 3 APV's ever where I go. No one in this forum can tell you exactly what you need to do. But from experience I can tell you that a headache or upset tummy may be from to much nic. Up the level and don't try to chain vape. When you get that feeling then just slow down and drink a glass of water, put the vape down and kick back for about half an hour. Oh I'm sorry. Welcome to ECF and good luck on your new life journey. Your gonna do just fine. You've already found the best support group in the world for this. (All this is just my own )
AND DRINK LOTS AND LOTS OF WATER. KEEP HYDRATED AT ALL TIMES.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I don't mean just a couple of glasses a day either. I mean when you go pee have a glass of water with you!!!!!!!!!!!! It's important!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just dont pee in the water your drinking,,,,,,,,,,)

 

[whyycharles]

i just started and 18 mg seems fine. But i i did get a scratchy throat on my first day with a 50/50 juice...

 

[ckmeyers]

As far as the anxiety I can manage that. The other day it way got too intense so I went out for a Jog . Did 4 miles . That was on day 6 ya know what never felt better during this detox BS . And it lasted for hours . No smoke no vape no nothing , no nicotine , but a good feeling that is natural > now why is that?

After I sent my message I realized I had forgotten to write about this. What you were experiencing is an endorphin rush. Exercise stimulates the release of endorphins. There is a good article about it here:
http://kcossaboon.hubpages.com/hub/ExerciseandTheEndorphinRush

Cindy

 

[JeremyR]

Ok to continue my story had 18mg Churchill vg from liberty flights, second day vaping smoked it just as much as I smoked my
Camel lights. I work on ladders and roofs. I was getting dizzy and extremely weak. Very dangerous at my job. Feeling very weird, it was all symptoms of nic overdose, I found online that the best thing to help was a teaspoon of sugar unders your tounge or something sugared to drink it speeds the processing through your system. I found a cigar site with people talking about same experiences. So I had vaped 1 ml of 18 in about 5 hrs and cut back at that point but it was rough and had headache. So I reduced consumption but was still getting a buzz all day just trying not to overdo it this continued for 2 weeks. On day i forgot my charger and felt great with no vaping. I stepped down to 14 which helped a lot. But would still give me a bit of a buzz. I'm going down 12 but now worried that I am going to miss the buzz but ill just keep some high nic for buzz times. So if you vape all day you need lower if you vape less you may need higher, I recommend having a higher just for when you have a craving

 

[Disconnect]

It'll be ok. Seriously. It gets better. (I just quit a pack+ a day habit on Fri, when my 510 stuff showed up. That evening I had 1 cig to finish a pack - the batteries weren't quite charged and I was out and about. I've still got a pack that I haven't touched, just in case, but I think it'll stay that way..)

(Update: I was looking for this post about withdrawal symptoms. It is worth a read for anyone not a hypochondriac, since it may help you figure out what is causing the issues - too much/too little nic, sensitivity, swallowing juice, etc etc..) Updated again: this post talks about how to keep your nic content about the same when switching. (Depending on what you want, it will probably be easier to switch if you take more nic than before for a bit, then drop it down to "reasonable" levels after you get past the initial push. Not a doctor, etc etc, grain of salt, everybody is different, use common sense..)

It might help to think about how you smoke and when. (For example, I smoke a lot more in the morning and when drinking than any other time. In the first 2.5 hours I'm awake, I probably have 4-5 cigs - mostly on the drive to work. At work I go every 90-120 minutes for 1, rarely 2. Driving home is almost as bad as driving in - 2 cigs in 45 minutes. After work I go 3-5 hours before having 2 and going to bed..)

So far I only have dekang flavors, from my initial sampler pack. My goal is to get similar nicotine and still handle the 'fidget with my new toy' vaping. I load 'myBoro' 24mg in the morning. For driving I use 18mg 'nuPort' - I vape it more but its lower test, works out about the same.

For sitting around during the day, 16mg 'vanilla'. If I find myself looking outside or thinking about whether its time for a smoke, hit it a couple more times. If that doesn't work, load up the 'myBoro' and hit that.

One thing to remember - blood tests have shown that nic from a cig hits the brain in a few seconds (ISTR it was about 8-10 seconds) but an e-cig takes up to 30 seconds. Take a hit, put it down, wait a minute or so, see how it works.

Some of the issues might be liquid problems - not just the pg/vg mix, but be sure you aren't getting unburned juice in your mouth. And putting down the old cigs completely for a day or two (preferably not at work, getting fired would suck..) might help immensely. Until you do, you will always be thinking "this isn't quite as good" and you'll have a lot of trouble figuring out what 'pattern' of vaping/juice levels/etc works for you.

Good luck, hang in there..

 

[KENNY V]

And putting down the old cigs completely for a day or two (preferably not at work, getting fired would suck..) might help immensely. Until you do, you will always be thinking "this isn't quite as good" and you'll have a lot of trouble figuring out what 'pattern' of vaping/juice levels/etc works for you.

Good luck, hang in there..

soon thanks all u guys


I have soooooo much to say and want to THANK EVERY ONE OF U .
All the info you guys have posted I find helpful. Its a major resource .I wish I can take the time and highlight everything that I have learned an applied so far on this journey. I wish i can write a note to everyone who has helped me.
But im at work and not able to do so. Had a rough Friday here ... So please if you wrote and I have not replied or commented or thanked you PL understand . Its hard for me to typ besides need to get some work done around here >major transition. lately

Hey Just had lunch ready to Vape some Naturally Flavored Cherry Pop Tobacco from Vaperite and go back to work... ( one stinky so far today” By this time of day would had 8 stinky's


thanks so much Guys/ gals and vapreretts , you are the greatest .
My Best
Kenny v

 

[NickyBlade]

Thank you for posting this thread Kenny! I've learned a lot from the responses you've gotten, as I'm sure others have as well. I'm just over 24 hours without a cigarette. It's tricky figuring out something new, especially when we've smoked to a certain daily schedule for 20+ years...

I discovered yesterday that I can't vape like I smoked. If I try to suck down a cigarettes worth of nic in the time it'd take to smoke an analog, it makes me a bit nauseated. Yet going an hour or two between vapes gives me withdrawal symptoms. Today I've been casually vaping a hit or two every five minutes for about a half hour and then taking an hour or a bit more in between and that seems to be a good balance. But, I'm brand new to this game... so tomorrow may be different. lol.

 

[KENNY V]

Thank you for posting this thread Kenny! I've learned a lot from the responses you've gotten, as I'm sure others have as well. I'm just over 24 hours without a cigarette. It's tricky figuring out something new, especially when we've smoked to a certain daily schedule for 20+ years...

I discovered yesterday that I can't vape like I smoked. If I try to suck down a cigarettes worth of nic in the time it'd take to smoke an analog, it makes me a bit nauseated. Yet going an hour or two between vapes gives me withdrawal symptoms. Today I've been casually vaping a hit or two every five minutes for about a half hour and then taking an hour or a bit more in between and that seems to be a good balance. But, I'm brand new to this game... so tomorrow may be different. lol.

I like the responses too I hear allot of what folks are burning far as jounce quantity but not as much what is the frequency of their use in Hours ? Keep the posts coming im loven it
Im on a big learning curve now. And have to learn what works for me as i sort this out .......
few vapes than back to work........
Of course I want more equipment too but thats another story let me get through the next two weeks and ill decide whats next..


suggestions welcome... want to know if ego T 2 Atos Drip method is better than Cardo's?
Ohh Also have my eye on a few VV models with top shelf clearo ..
for one I had a bad issue with the cardo's I had never experienced a good hit.

Btw I loved vaping before I even started , but not able to enjoy its benefits . It want till I took apart an old cardo that I was able to experience a throat hit...
on top of it Not able to inhale was a bummmer so I settled for a french drag.

... still learning and got more equipment coming

 

[thrutheblack]

Nicotine is very powerful. Overdose indications include but are not limited to nausea, ........, fast pulse, headaches, sluggishness, tremors or shakiness, fainting difficulty breathing, and stomach cramps. I would recommend using a lower concentration or buying light or ultra light cigarettes. A full flavor delivers approximately 1.7 mgs of nicotine. These figures are taken from a machine smoking a cigarette, so it also depends on how you smoke your cigarette. I personally enjoy a good nic buzz. However, if that's not your style, you should definitely cut down one or the other if you are using them in conjunction with eachother.

 

[Itsatushie]

I vape all day when I can. I smoked a crap load up to 2-3 packs a day at points in my 22 years of smoking. I vape 24mg right now and do all day long. I know when I "need" a hit and have not touched it in awhile but sometimes like with smoking i sit here and just vape. I went form smokes to vape all at once. started vaping and did not touch a smoke at all.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Check your blood pressure,you may be having an adverse reaction to nicotine.

 

[USDMS13]

It does sound like your getting to much nic with vaping and smoking. Each person is going to be different, depending on what your smoking habits were before e-cigs.

"This morning I took approx 4-5hits 2-3 hours ago now and still feeling it. Normally by this time of dayI can have 3-4 smokes and DO NOT feel as wired.?
And to top it off feel satified......."

Did you also smoke an analog cig to?

How much you absorb, what gear you have and all that is going to make the experence different for you than the next person.

I was a smoker for 40 years full flavor analogs, about 25 cigs a day. The day I started e-cigs I stopped analogs. The first few days were harder till I got used to how much it took to keep my cravings down, I started with the 18 mg and am now using 24 mg. I vape when I first get up as im doing my routine so Ive never counted how many vapes I do really. Then as im doing things during the day I vape as needed.

It has been said that its anywhere from 30-40% of nic is absorbed, the delivery system for an analog cig is different there are chemicals that help you absorb the nic differently with the analog. And its also going to depend on how your gear is and how you are vaping.

The e-cig is for when you drop your analog to get you past that crave and withdraw. Then you can wean your self down to 0 mg nic.
Im not sure what you mean by feeling "whacked out". Withdraw is not created equal, one person maybe able to slide right off analogs with little to no withdraw while an other goes threw full flegded withdraws. You are going to have experiment with it. There is no set times you have to vape that will be different for everyone.

Good luck.

I want to add I vape until I feel that calm feeling when ive gotten enought nic. its a feeling of well being and your brain is not all over the place. The only time I feel whacked out is when I have no nic. and Id say that is the most uncomfortable feeling in the world.

+1

you may be taking in too much nicotine. I smoke about 3-4 analogs a day( from 20-30 a day) and used my PV to satisfy the urge to pick an analog up. I was done with ciggies in 6 days

 

[Tanti]

Nicotine is very powerful. Overdose indications include but are not limited to nausea, ........, fast pulse, headaches, sluggishness, tremors or shakiness, fainting difficulty breathing, and stomach cramps. I would recommend using a lower concentration or buying light or ultra light cigarettes. A full flavor delivers approximately 1.7 mgs of nicotine. These figures are taken from a machine smoking a cigarette, so it also depends on how you smoke your cigarette. I personally enjoy a good nic buzz. However, if that's not your style, you should definitely cut down one or the other if you are using them in conjunction with eachother.

You really need to factor in that with e-cigs you only absorb between 30-40% of the nic, its absorb better in the mouth nose and throat. It takes about 30 seconds before you will feel effect of the nic from the e-cig. With analogs you absorb a greater amount and it takes only a few seconds to get to the brain. It has to do with the size of the molicules, analog smoke molicules being much smaller than e-cig vaper molecules.
Ive seen where people here chain vape 36 mg/ml and dont have a problem. Its really depending how its being absorbed in each person, how they are vaping, taking it into the mouth then inhaling or direct inhaling to the lungs.

 

[6spdsurfer]

Also, don't forget your body is detoxing off about 3999 chemicals that aren't in your ecig. Pulling that much away quickly can make the body do funny things...

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[KENNY V]

first off good news , no even better GREAT news had a good day yesterday I think my best day yet?
I woke up Early with No alarm clock first time for that since the summer anyways felt good , made coffee then next sat down at table to vape. About 15 minutes after waking is when I got to the point where I knew I needed to vape.

I took my time vaped slowly ( took advice and upped my nicotine strength in juice ) it seemed to work better than any other day so far. As I vaped and waited then I started to feel better . I usually don't smoke first thing but 20 min later on ride to work but today I felt I needed to get my head straight .

Anyways I vaped till I felt satisfied and the Urge crave went away . It worked However here is where I am confused . Felt good yesterday But not as much today... Still not there. Today it didn't go as well and even right now im not sure how much I need bc I dont feel good . Is it NOT enough? Or toooo much nicotine . ???? In the way I feel bad should I vape more ? vape less ???? ...

Should I have an ANOLOG ? Would that HELP or make things worse????? Still not there
Still not sure How much I need to vape BC my head doesn't feel clear , it feels heavy foggy groggy … its hard to explain. But ill try

when the urge to smoke comes I vape .. it satisfies my crave but replaces it with a heavy head feeling . I do get a bit of Buz then know it kicked in. The urge of not smoking is sort of ok . But it also replaces my head with a fogy groggy not clear feeling is this how I am supposed to feel ??
DO I vape until that kiks in and know it is eanough ???

what about headache should I vape till that goes away. How often should I vape ? and how much nicotine do I need ?????? Last few hours have been tough not sure what I am feeling too much nicotine or not enough ?

Please help me sort this out

Kenny V

 

[Disconnect]

first off good news , no even better GREAT news had a good day yesterday I think my best day yet?
I woke up Early with No alarm clock first time for that since the summer anyways felt good , made coffee then next sat down at table to vape. About 15 minutes after waking is when I got to the point where I knew I needed to vape.

I took my time vaped slowly ( took advice and upped my nicotine strength in juice ) it seemed to work better than any other day so far. As I vaped and waited then I started to feel better . I usually don't smoke first thing but 20 min later on ride to work but today I felt I needed to get my head straight .

Anyways I vaped till I felt satisfied and the Urge crave went away . It worked However here is where I am confused . Felt good yesterday But not as much today... Still not there. Today it didn't go as well and even right now im not sure how much I need bc I dont feel good . Is it NOT enough? Or toooo much nicotine . ???? In the way I feel bad should I vape more ? vape less ???? ...

Should I have an ANOLOG ? Would that HELP or make things worse????? Still not there
Still not sure How much I need to vape BC my head doesn't feel clear , it feels heavy foggy groggy … its hard to explain. But ill try

when the urge to smoke comes I vape .. it satisfies my crave but replaces it with a heavy head feeling . I do get a bit of Buz then know it kicked in. The urge of not smoking is sort of ok . But it also replaces my head with a fogy groggy not clear feeling is this how I am supposed to feel ??
DO I vape until that kiks in and know it is eanough ???

what about headache should I vape till that goes away. How often should I vape ? and how much nicotine do I need ?????? Last few hours have been tough not sure what I am feeling too much nicotine or not enough ?

Please help me sort this out

Kenny V

Everyone is different but what I would suggest is vape a little less (avoid the buzz) and be sure to drink water. You might simply be dehydrated.

The cig buzz is partly because it hits so fast. (plus the other random ingredients, most of them bad..) vape won't hit quite that fast so by the time it builds up to a good buzz you are way over the amount you got from cigs. That isn't bad in and of itself (helps with the withdrawal from the rest of smoking) but..

Congrats on the improvement! It will only get easier, except sometimes when it doesn't ;-) Sounds like you are past the absolute worst though.

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[KENNY V]

Everyone is different but what I would suggest is vape a little less (avoid the buzz) and be sure to drink water. You might simply be dehydrated.

The cig buzz is partly because it hits so fast. (plus the other random ingredients, most of them bad..) vape won't hit quite that fast so by the time it builds up to a good buzz you are way over the amount you got from cigs. That isn't bad in and of itself (helps with the withdrawal from the rest of smoking) but..

Congrats on the improvement! It will only get easier, except sometimes when it doesn't ;-) Sounds like you are past the absolute worst though.

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I am not being confrontational nor do I disagree, but perhaps need more understanding any info on the buzz thing. Mostly the amount of nicotine and how I should be feeling throughout the day.
Mainly so I now when to vape or not???
First off am I vapping too much 9- 18 mg every one to 2 hours ( five to ten hits) withing 5-12 min or so

Please guys need more explanations and opinions about the buzz. Look I know detox/ withdrawal is not easy the nicotine replacement delivery system is NOT the same .

should I just go cold turkey ?????and get rid of the nicotine once and for all ????

I Love vaping but dont like that part( not sure what it is) that my body doesn't like something
Only y saying bc I dont know what I should be feeling as Proper nicotine intake in lieu of what all the symptoms of withdrawal are many of the same.. Please assist Bc I need to differentiate between the sorry ..guys im at a loss here
Yesterday was the first day I felt good in fact last night felt great..... Today I tried to repeat it and it did not happen.
What am I doing wrong........

TIA for all your help...
Kenny V

Congrats on the improvement! It will only get easier, except sometimes when it doesn't Sounds like you are past the absolute worst though.

Dont know about dat ...not out of the woods yet... However cant get worse could it?????

 

[Heavyrocker]

This is strange,most people dont get a ''buzz" from vaping,no matter if they up the nic level,the tobacco buzz is different for the vaping buzz.

 

[KENNY V]

Everyone is different nicotine is a drug im sure its effects can vary . Bottom line Withdrawals suck and I hate cigarettes now....

Vapes are ok.. not sure what to do with nicotine levels yet...
should I just go cold turkey ?????and get rid of the nicotine once and for all ????

I am 14 days in this . The withdraw is intense ( not the urge to smoke) the side effects My F-in head Hurts big time its cloged and if i may speak freely feels like i did coke in my jaw... thats detox?????

Not enough nicotene or tooo much ? Am I vaping too much at 9- 18 mg strength every 1-3 hours .. ... man sorry had a good day yesterday
Yes im drinking 2 bottles of water every Hour...... Pissing like a race horse.

Should I have a smoke 2-3 xs daily for the next few days? I was trying to phase that out all together
Someone anyone... ? Or am I gona haft to tough it out and experiment . Cuz thats what I feel like im doin with this nicotine