Nicotine named 3rd most addictive substance??

[guambred]

I could have sworn recent research has shown nicotine to be not all that addictive sans all the alcoloids and additives from tobacco? But here it is listed at #3 of the most addictive substances on earth.....
The five most addictive substances on Earth – and what they do to your brain

 

[Painter_]

You may want to read the original article. The five most addictive substances on Earth – and what they do to your brain

The comments section has alot of debate about nicotine and addiction. Furthermore the actual study was from 2007. We have learned much about since then.

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[sofarsogood]

I could have sworn recent research has shown nicotine to be not all that addictive sans all the alcoloids and additives from tobacco? But here it is listed at #3 of the most addictive substances on earth.....
The five most addictive substances on Earth – and what they do to your brain

Nicotine gum and patches have been for sale over the counter, without a perscription, for nearly 20 years. This was approved by the FDA. Where are the reports of problems with that? They report that lab animals will self medicate with nicotine. A year ago I read about a study which reported exactly the opposite result.

One billion smokers spend $1 trillion a year on tobacco and most of it goes for taxes. Every penny benefits somebody. They know who they are. They want ecigs banned while tobacco remains for sale the same as always to protect their funding. The average soccer mom would gladly send me to an early grave if that means her little Johnny's teacher gets paid more. Human nature.

The big winners when smokers switch to vaping is their kids because of the increase in household income. Tobaccco taxes keep a lot of kids living below the poverty line. NOBODY in government cares about that. How can they be fit to govern?

 

[guambred]

I was being somewhat tongue in cheek, still after all the info is available, the "smart" scientists who advise on these pieces can't get it right....

 

[skoony]

They are using bogus figures. Only about 30% of regular cigarette users ever become dependent. Roughly 50% have quit smoking by their early forties.

Even at 30% nicotine has the highest dependency rate of any known addictive
substance. The problem is that they use
cigarette smoking studies to come up with
these figures. Nicotine has never been tested alone by itself. It's perfectly safe to say cigarette smoking is highly addictive
It's quite different to say nicotine alone is highly addictive.

The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep

Even if nicotine alone was 100% addictive, what would be the net harm?
Nicotine not taken in the form of cigarette smoking (burning leaf) would have the social impact about the same as addictive gum chewing and,the same importance attached to it as addictive gum chewing has which,is not a lot.

Regards
Mike

 

[King_Louie]

I dont think the level of danger & the level of addictive-ness have any correlations.

I dont know about the 3rd most, but its pretty addicting. Look at how hard it is to quit smoking

 

[Kent C]

I dont think the level of danger & the level of addictive-ness have any correlations.

I dont know about the 3rd most, but its pretty addicting. Look at how hard it is to quit smoking

@Painter_ above has it right. The earlier study was 2007 and we here, as well as later studies have shown that nicotine as used in ecigs (or even patches and gum) is not as addictive as the other factors in cigarettes. Most here could go hours without ecigs - something not true of those who were smoking cigarettes at least a pack a day or more. Something is different and nicotine is the same, or lower in ecigs. Most will point to MAOI's as the 'culprit' but it may be a combination of that and nicotine or something else which makes cigarettes (not nicotine itself) more addictive.

 

[King_Louie]

@Painter_ above has it right. The earlier study was 2007 and we here, as well as later studies have shown that nicotine as used in ecigs (or even patches and gum) is not as addictive as the other factors in cigarettes. Most here could go hours without ecigs - something not true of those who were smoking cigarettes at least a pack a day or more. Something is different and nicotine is the same, or lower in ecigs. Most will point to MAOI's as the 'culprit' but it may be a combination of that and nicotine or something else which makes cigarettes (not nicotine itself) more addictive.

I agree, cigarettes have alot of added chemicals that make them more addicting than just the nicotine itself. My post was short and not that detailed, so i could see someone misinterpreting my reference to cigarettes, quickly jumping to say what i just have.

That being said, all i mean is that one should not be ignorant to the addictiveness of nicotine. Sure, we could 'probably' quit vaping, sure, its almost gaurenteed to be easier quitting vaping than smoking.. But nicotine is a drug. And it is addictive, all im saying is to not forget that fact.

Further, i dont think a study, no matter how well funded, can put the order of "most addictive drugs"
Different drugs stimulate different parts of the brain/body, we all have slightly different brains and bodies, therefore in my opinion, drugs can vary in 'addictiveness' from person to person. [removed]

But that last bit is just my opinion

 

[retired1]

As a reminder: Why we don't allow drug talk

 

[BuGlen]

@Painter_ above has it right. The earlier study was 2007 and we here, as well as later studies have shown that nicotine as used in ecigs (or even patches and gum) is not as addictive as the other factors in cigarettes. Most here could go hours without ecigs - something not true of those who were smoking cigarettes at least a pack a day or more. Something is different and nicotine is the same, or lower in ecigs. Most will point to MAOI's as the 'culprit' but it may be a combination of that and nicotine or something else which makes cigarettes (not nicotine itself) more addictive.

MAOI's, ammonia (as a freebase agent), and maybe dozens of others. The problem we have with actual cigarette addiction is that it's very a complex issue because of many variables, and nobody (that I'm aware of) cared enough to take on the task of comprehensive research. It was much easier, for the purposes of "public health" to just blame nicotine, so there's no reason for anyone to fund research that might (will) counter that demonization message.

I agree, cigarettes have alot of added chemicals that make them more addicting than just the nicotine itself. My post was short and not that detailed, so i could see someone misinterpreting my reference to cigarettes, quickly jumping to say what i just have.

That being said, all i mean is that one should not be ignorant to the addictiveness of nicotine. Sure, we could 'probably' quit vaping, sure, its almost gaurenteed to be easier quitting vaping than smoking.. But nicotine is a drug. And it is addictive, all im saying is to not forget that fact.

Further, i dont think a study, no matter how well funded, can put the order of "most addictive drugs"
Different drugs stimulate different parts of the brain/body, we all have slightly different brains and bodies, therefore in my opinion, drugs can vary in 'addictiveness' from person to person. [removed]

But that last bit is just my opinion

Going by the actual evidence to date regarding nicotine in isolation (without cigarette smoke), the addictive qualities (chemical dependence) are very similar to caffeine. Myself, I will only consider the chemical dependence part of addiction as it seems the behavioral aspects have not been standardized in the science community, so there are too many variables to solve. With that said, one of the things that makes vapor products so successful is that they mimic the behavioral aspects of smoking, so it makes the transition away from combustible tobacco that much easier.

 

[Painter_]

I wish I could find the study but I will forge ahead without it in hopes that someone can post a link to it.

I think that the study was from New Zealand that used rats to test the addictiveness of nicotine. What I remember in a nutshell is that they used rolled tobacco leaf, i.e. cigar, processed tobacco i.e. cigarettes, and a nicotine mist. In a very repeatable nature the rats would seek out the smoke form the processed tobacco. When presented with only the nicotine containing mist the rats would not seek it out.

I know that 3 years ago I could not go more than an hour or so without a smoke. I switched to vaping and there were mild signs of withdrawal and when I was near a smoker my mouth would start to water and I admit that I bummed a smoke or two in the first weeks. All this even though I was vaping 24 mg constantly. After the first weeks it got easier and the dreams of smoking lessened. After the first few months I found that I could go hours even not vaping during the work day with out ever thinking about it. I dropped my nicotine intake from the 24 mg down to 3 mg with an EGO / Pro Tank combo in the following months. About the same time I started DIY. Once I made a batch and after I consumed over the next few days I realized that I had forgot to put the nicotine in since the bottle that measured out the nicotine into was sitting there with my mixing supplies (in short I filled the wrong bottle.) Today if I use nicotine it is about .25 mg / ml which is there only for the bite in the back of the throat I want in a couple of my flavors.

I am a firm believer that nicotine without the additives used in the production of regulated cigarettes is not as addictive as claimed. Also almost all of the studies claiming that nicotine is addictive is testing with cigarette smoke and not pure extracted nicotine.

Finally, the current definition used in psychology, "Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance or engages in an activity that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work, relationships, or health. Users may not be aware that their behavior is out of control and causing problems for themselves and others." I do not believe that nicotine can be classified as addictive since vaping does not fit the definition. Maybe the debate is better phrased as habit forming instead.

 

[King_Louie]

As a reminder: Why we don't allow drug talk

I apologize, i shouldve read up more before posting.

 

[Kent C]

I wish I could find the study but I will forge ahead without it in hopes that someone can post a link to it.

Good memory!! On all points :- )

It’s Not Just Nicotine That Makes Cigarettes Addictive

Countering this dogma, though, are researchers in New Zealand who have further verified that nicotine is not the only ingredient in tobacco products that makes kicking a smoking habit an uphill battle.

At this week’s Smokefree Oceania conference in Auckland, New Zealand, Penelope Truman of the Institute of Environmental Science and Research (ESR) presented a study that showed how rats exhibited a greater willingness to obtain a dose of smoke from non-nicotinic rolling tobacco compared with doses of nicotine and smoke from factory-made cigarettes that contain nicotine.

Because rats showed a significantly higher willingness to go the distance to get a taste of rolling tobacco smoke, the authors concluded that a substance other than nicotine must be getting them hooked.

“[N]on-nicotinic components have a role in tobacco dependence and…some tobacco products have higher abuse liability, irrespective of nicotine levels,” the study authors concluded.

“This extra chemical is an additional thing that makes smoking harder to give up,” Truman explained to The New Zealand Herald. “This is a formal proof that some tobacco substances are more addictive than nicotine is.” What this specific tobacco component actually is has yet to be identified though.

From the study intro - full study costs $... :- )
Tobacco particulate matter self-administration in rats: differential effects of tobacco type - Brennan - 2013 - Addiction Biology - Wiley Online Library

"The conclusions were that non-nicotinic components have a role in tobacco dependence and that some tobacco products could have higher abuse liability, irrespective of nicotine levels."

 

[CarolT]

This is just mass media regurgitating Official Lies about nicotine in our faces, as usual. "Nicotine addiction" is a lie. It's a smear manufactured to serve the political agenda of outlawing nicotine. They systematically ignore all contradictory evidence, and it merely looks 'sciencey' to ignorant people who don't know that evidence exists. (If the data contradict the theory, throw out the data: Nicotine addiction in the 2010 report of the Surgeon General. Frenk H, Dar R. Harm Reduct J. 2011 May 19;8:12.)
If the data contradict the theory, throw out the data: Nicotine addiction in the 2010 report of the Surgeon General

 

[DC2]

In other news, I was named 3rd most eligible bachelor in the Southern California region.
Despite the fact that I've been happily married for the last 18 years.

 

[Bill Godshall]

Cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products that contain nicotine can create daily dependence in many (and perhaps most) people who try them.

But vapor products, large cigars, hookah/shisha, gums, lozenges, and patches that contain nicotine very rarely (if ever) create daily dependence among non tobacco users who have used them.

 

[nomore stinkies]

There was an article regarding a study with rats that had a choice of 2: nicotine alone and no nicotine with 4 chemicals(antibasine, nitrosimines and 2 other chemicals that I cannot recall but the rats went to what choice? Yep the 4 chemicals NOT the nicotine. I have about 10k articles in my favorites and after awhile organization went down the tubes. I might take a look for it. I often wondered what was it was in cigarettes that made it so, so hard to quit. I don't jones for a vape but I sure did with cigarettes. And those rats were jonesing for that 4 chemical pile not the lone nicotine. Interesting. We will never know the truth.

 

[defdock]

that must explain why i love tomatoes so much - so addictive!

 

[Semiretired]

I wish I could find the study but I will forge ahead without it in hopes that someone can post a link to it.

I think that the study was from New Zealand that used rats to test the addictiveness of nicotine. What I remember in a nutshell is that they used rolled tobacco leaf, i.e. cigar, processed tobacco i.e. cigarettes, and a nicotine mist. In a very repeatable nature the rats would seek out the smoke form the processed tobacco. When presented with only the nicotine containing mist the rats would not seek it out.

I know that 3 years ago I could not go more than an hour or so without a smoke. I switched to vaping and there were mild signs of withdrawal and when I was near a smoker my mouth would start to water and I admit that I bummed a smoke or two in the first weeks. All this even though I was vaping 24 mg constantly. After the first weeks it got easier and the dreams of smoking lessened. After the first few months I found that I could go hours even not vaping during the work day with out ever thinking about it. I dropped my nicotine intake from the 24 mg down to 3 mg with an EGO / Pro Tank combo in the following months. About the same time I started DIY. Once I made a batch and after I consumed over the next few days I realized that I had forgot to put the nicotine in since the bottle that measured out the nicotine into was sitting there with my mixing supplies (in short I filled the wrong bottle.) Today if I use nicotine it is about .25 mg / ml which is there only for the bite in the back of the throat I want in a couple of my flavors.

I am a firm believer that nicotine without the additives used in the production of regulated cigarettes is not as addictive as claimed. Also almost all of the studies claiming that nicotine is addictive is testing with cigarette smoke and not pure extracted nicotine.

Finally, the current definition used in psychology, "Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance or engages in an activity that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work, relationships, or health. Users may not be aware that their behavior is out of control and causing problems for themselves and others." I do not believe that nicotine can be classified as addictive since vaping does not fit the definition. Maybe the debate is better phrased as habit forming instead.

Same here. I can go for long periods without vaping, but if I went to the store to pick up bread for the house I would smoke one going and one coming back. With vaping - for short trips - I leave it on the coffee table with no problems...