Ahem.... You have A FOG LOG not a CHUCK. They are quite a bit different. I don't suppose I get to call you on the whole bum naked strealing thing do I? Nevermind.... bad visual.
Oh geeseee! You've got tats THERE too??!!!
No wires or soldering... how?
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Ahem.... You have A FOG LOG not a CHUCK. They are quite a bit different. I don't suppose I get to call you on the whole bum naked strealing thing do I? Nevermind.... bad visual.
Oh geeseee! You've got tats THERE too??!!!
Lmao...I do REALLY like this thing with that 18650...Frickin thing last 3 whole days!!!
btw I droppep it yesterday on asphalt from 3 feet directly on the base and rolled 2 or 3 feet...No problems for the Fog Log......Im getting a price to have my asphalt fixed tommorow though...
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You have changed the debate to the switch alone which is mechanical even on a regular pushbutton switch.
As for the rest of your ego stroking post, I don't care if you invented electricity, a soldered joint is a better conductor and introduces less resistance than a mechanical one. You can sell otherwise to your customers, but it doesn't make it any less true.
I have an Adaptever that is solderless and wireless, it has worked flawlessly for over 6 mos. I also took the switch out to see how easy it was to replace. It took me 4min and 38sec. to replace it
This has got to be one of the silliest slapfights I ever found myself in. *Yes*, a strictly mechanical design with no solder or electronics is going to have durability advantages, making one that could be tossed out a window and driven over by a truck wouldn't even be particularly difficult. But that means eliminating a whole long list of features a user might want in exchange for that durability. No LED indicators, no power regulation, sharp limits on your physical form factor, and so on.
If you want a vaper that can take a lot of physical abuse and keep right on working (say, because you work somewhere that dropping a piece of electronics tends to be final), it's a lot easier to do that with solderless mechanical designs. But there are other things a user might value over such robust physical construction, and it's not impossible to make physically resilient electronics, just harder and more expensive.
--Dave
If you want a vaper that can take a lot of physical abuse and keep right on working (say, because you work somewhere that dropping a piece of electronics tends to be final), it's a lot easier to do that with solderless mechanical designs. But there are other things a user might value over such robust physical construction, and it's not impossible to make physically resilient electronics, just harder and more expensive.
--Dave
I dont sell a mod right now...My "ego stroking" was to qualify my opinion...There is NO resistance on a mechanical connection???? Your are here for a debate not a discussion and your beating yourself???What else would you solder other than a switch on a battery holder??? You are parroting things youve read...I am stating actual experience working with these devices as well as other extensive mechanical experiences...You want to win a slap fight??? You win solder is better!!!!.....Except now..
LED's, power regulators, under-voltage protection PCB's, battery fittings where your shell is non-metallic and provides no ground plane, timing circuits, should I go on? "Electronics" is more than just switches, a battery mod can do a lot more than connect a battery to an atomizer.
--Dave
I dont sell a mod right now...My "ego stroking" was to qualify my opinion...There is NO resistance on a mechanical connection???? Your are here for a debate not a discussion and your beating yourself???What else would you solder other than a switch on a battery holder??? You are parroting things youve read...I am stating actual experience working with these devices as well as other extensive mechanical experiences...You want to win a slap fight??? You win solder is better!!!!.....Except now..
Just the modders on these forums have soldered linear and switching regulators, DC boost convertors, LED's, diodes, resistors, slide switches, potentiometers, etc. All of these make for a more refined vape than just a battery box.
As for saying you don't sell a mod now, you are being intentionally disingenuous.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nhaler/33805-xhaler-sneak-peek.html
Power regulators...Increased resistance and draw for no purpose if you have a wireless resistor...Under voltage protection PCBs...Unecasary and redundant with protected batteries...Battery fittings...Point made...Timing circuits With a manual button???? ELectronics can be alot more but I still challenge someone to give me an example of a soldered switch that is better than a mecahnical one...This isnt the Inductive Reactance formula (2pieFL) its a battery holder that has slippery liquid pumped , dripped, or wicked into it every 10 minutes...Please tell me why a soldered switch is better???
It may well be the placement on the device. Can you put a mechanical switch in a comfortable location for the thumb or index finger?
Absolutely...Add an inch or so, and done deal( assuming thats more comfortable than a pinky or ring finger button)...You can add a mecahnical switch that works with lip pressure(solderless) if you wanted to...Can you do it quickly with lower prodction and streamline the manufacturing process??? Not me
The rear (ring or pinky finger) button turns me off totally. The lip pressure vape is intriguing, but I really like where my 510 and 901 manual buttons are.
I just think you are limiting your demo with a design that might not have broad appeal. The 510 and 901 button location is a proven winning design with mass appeal.
That might not bother you though.
I just think you are limiting your demo with a design that might not have broad appeal. The 510 and 901 button location is a proven winning design with mass appeal.
That might not bother you though.
Just a "man on the street" opinion here, but yeah, button placement is a potential dealbreaker for me. The Silver Bullet probably has the absolute best (going on looks here, as I don't have one myself). It's in the right spot, recessed to reduce accidental tripping, and the whole kit and kaboodle is just damn sexy to behold. I'm personally going to use a Chuck because I like the customizability and people have given it rave reviews. The button is in the right place, but the way it protrudes might be a problem in the pocket. Then again, it might not fit in my pocket, rendering that issue moot.
Pinky and ringfinger buttons are an instant turn-off for me. Just doesn't seem ergonomic.
Pinky and ringfinger buttons are an instant turn-off for me. Just doesn't seem ergonomic.
Cant really dissagree but I opted for the shorter version, as I thought size was more of a factor, but I really have to agree that initially it is a little awkward at first, but becomes second nature after around 1000 pushes...
Sure is a lot of 'buton pushing' goin on in here....
Sorry... it just had to be said
didleedoo, didleedoo, didledoo ------------------->
lol - Take care all,
- Hap
Sorry... it just had to be said
didleedoo, didleedoo, didledoo ------------------->
lol - Take care all,
- Hap
Sure is a lot of 'buton pushing' goin on in here....
Sorry... it just had to be said
didleedoo, didleedoo, didledoo ------------------->
lol - Take care all,
- Hap
LMAO...Well said
I'm tempted to chop that up sentence by sentence into separate quotes, but I'll take them in order:
You're thinking of a linear buck regulator (and even there missing the point, which is consistency of atomizer performance, something a fixed resistor can't do), there's also switching buck regulators (which are much more efficient and will save power rather than wasting it) and boost regulators.
Protection PCB's: Not all cells are protected (some, such as the popular CR2, can't be purchased that way at all), and stock cell protection PCB's protect against thermal runaway, not against damage to the cell that shortens cycle life.
Timing circuits: Safety factor against the switch being jammed closed for a long period of time, it's also possible that these may become mandatory.
Better than a manual circuit for *what*? Designing around a mechanically closed circuit means the atomizer *must* be physically adjacent to and aligned with the positive end of the cell. See the little holes at the positive end? Those are vents where FLAMING HOT POISONOUS GAS comes out in the event of a thermal runaway, perhaps there is merit in a design that doesn't aim them directly at someone's mouth and nose and trust to (possibly defective or not present) cell-level protection to prevent that event? Not to mention aesthetic and ergonomic factors.
--Dave
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