NOOB needs advice

[gijills]

Ok I am a NOOB (Tville FL)on this stuff but have been thinking about it for a bit. I feel like crap I am out of breath and I got informed that I am getting beginning stage COPD.
that being said I have been poking around on line for a couple of days and it seems that:
there are 2 models that stand out a KR808 and a 510 and several people make them. Nhaler and e cig are 2 vendor sites I seem to have settled on. are they good vendors?
I an looking at the $20 starter kits for now.
what is more expandable in the future a 510 or the KR808?
also in the choices there is auto and manual I am thinking auto to start it seems you can change later.

I smoke about a pack a day so they offer strength of “juice” what strength should you suggest as a starter? also Vegetable based or?

Also how long does one of these vials last I don’t want to get started and run out in a day or so.

I will take any suggestions out there I need to make a serious change and some of what I am reading on this forum is very uplifting!!

Skip

 

[fourthrok]

The 510 models will offer more "expandable". There are more 510 threaded things available easily out there than for KR808. However, having said that...I personally feel that the KR808 batteries are more durable and last longer between charges (and in general). Both have good points, but that's about it.

For a starter kit in the 510 models, you can maybe find something good here on this page Starter Kits E Cigarette This is a good company with lots of variety to choose from. They also have some very good juices.

For a starter kit in the KR808 type (and they really ARE good!) try here Smokeless Image | The Best Electronic Cigarette You'll find on the Smokeless Image site that larger mAh (longer lasting charge types like the eGo) are available, as are a few different tank type systems as well as top-of-the-line KR808 cartomizers, lots of flavors in prefills and also juice.

Probably about 18mg. strength is a good starting point for you. The average cartomizer...regardless if it's 510 or KR808 will last the equivalent of about 1/2 pack of cigarettes. The XL type cartomizers might last about 15 cigs worth. Don't expect them to last "a pack worth", as most vendors claim. Ain't gonna happen.

Welcome, and have fun on your journey! It's a long and winding road to find your "perfect" set up...and even then it's likely to keep evolving...but it's sure a lot of fun!

 

[Bronze]

The worst part about a question like yours is that your thread quickly fills up with a million suggestions and you walk away more confused than when you started. I just read fourthrok's post and that is as good advice as you will get. I'd follow his/her advice and get on with it. The only thing I will add is to perfect whatever it is you start with and keep an open mind about graduating to other things. But be sure you maximize your experience at each step first. It is all too common to see vapers constantly changing gear and not learning/understanding any of it. Then they get frustrated and chuck it all in. So get after fourthrok's advice and have a blast!

 

[juicejunky]

Welcome to the forum Skip. Sorry about your health issues, hopefully you have caught it in time.

Given your situation, I'd not bother with a $20 kit unless you are really broke. You'll save enough in cigarettes pretty quick to cover a better kit. You can smoke and use an ecig at the same time, slowing cutting down on the cigarettes as you go so I'd bet you'll use it daily whether you quit or not. You're going to love these things, once you find what works for you.

The KR808s are better batteries and provide a higher voltage than the 510s when you are dealing with cigarette size batteries. KR808s have a much better selection and range of vendors that sell prefilled cartomizers. Eventually you will fill your own (too expensive not to) and possibly even move away from cartomizers.

510 threads are what is mostly used at the mod and larger eGo battery stage if you end up upgrading later. You can get adapters or just switch size thread size when you order atomizers, cartomizers, etc. Not a big deal. KR808 threads are now on big eGo size batteries like the Smokeless Image Volt etc.

So just choose one, at this stage it doesn't matter. Auto is nice as a beginner if it is a high quality one, the manual gives you more control for longer hotter hits but takes a hand to push the button. Autos die if you get juice in them. Some are sealed, so check that if you prefer auto.


I'd stick with standard 80PG/20VG mixes to start. VG is heavy on your chest and can clog equipment so it's fussier in general to use. Some people are allergic to one or the other, so they have a preference. Most of us it's not a problem and use some sort of mix with the vapor production/flavor throat hit trade-off that works for us.

All forum vendors are proven good vendors or they wouldn't be on this site for long. Don't agonize too long on your choices, just get started and don't overbuy anything at this point. It's a personal process to find what works for you and you seldom stick with what you start with.


As a pack a day smoker start around 18. Doesn't hurt to have 12 or 24 around too for different times of day. Again everyone is different and their vape style makes a huge difference for choices on all this stuff.

Good luck. Ecigs will definitely help wean you off the cigarettes.

 

[-VapoHolic-]

Congrats on trying to quit the smokes! With the 510's you'll be able to use your accessories with a lot of others devices, the KR808's you'll mostly only be able to use with similiar analog looking devices. As you progress down your vaping journey you'll eventually want to move onwards to bigger batteries for longer battery life and with the correct attachment better vapor production. With the 510's you'll be able to use the accessories that you acquired now with your new device down the road. Not familiar with the brands you listed however.

Most people who are a PAD smoker go for either 18mg or 24mg juice. I myself am a 18mg user but you may be different so maybe buy a few of each and figure out what works best for you. As far as pg vs. vg that is also personal preference. I would say a majority of people use 70pg/30vg, but like I said its preference so you'll have those that use 100% of either and everything in between.

As for vials I'm assuming your talking about a bottle of e-liquid? Moderate to heavy vapors tend to vape around the 3-5 ml a day mark. So that depends how many mg are in that particular bottle. If you're talking about a cartomizer tho, they tend to hold around 1-2 ml of juice. So you may need to fill those up a few times a day. If they are the prefilled cartos and you don't have any juice to fill your own, expect to go through 2 a day possibly, not totally sure tho its been awhile since i've used pre-filled.

Hope some of this helps, ask around if you need anymore help, this forum is very good with helping out one another. Also use the search bar it is your friend!

 

[John D in CT]

Welcome to the forum. PLEASE read these two threads very carefully.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/337650-ego-twist-viva-nova-startup-kit.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/338208-hello-im-new-looking-learn.html


They contain all the information you need to get the exact same vape I'm having right now, after researching and buying equipment for about a year.

I use and recommend the Joyetech eGo-C Twist and the Vivi Nova tank/atomizer. It will give you a very good (variable voltage) vape while you explore every other setup in the vaposphere. It is what I would call a "no brainer".

Please also watch this video on the Twist:

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

Another very favorable review from PBusardo:

A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube Phil Busardo Twist review

 

[John D in CT]

A couple more posts to consider; "Why variable voltage", and "disadvantages of look-alikes".

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Variable voltage lets you be Goldilocks. She wanted her porridge just the right temperature. To get a variety of resistances of coils to just the right temperature, you need to be able to control the amount of volts that your device is delivering to it (please use only single coil cartomizers or atomizers unless you have a compelling reason to use two or more coils - you'll save battery power, and IMO get a better vape to boot). Different juices also want different amounts of heat, and there are variations among "nominal" resistances of any given device that variable voltage will allow you to compensate for.

This can all be demonstrated by a very simple formula that is part of "Ohm's Law":

Volts time volts divided by resistance (rated in "ohms") = watts (heat) at/in the coil.

Consider the three heads in the Vivi Nova; 1.8, 2.4, and 2.8 ohms:

With a Joyetech eGo-C Twist, or any other variable voltage device, you can achieve any wattage you need to get a good vape, even if the "actual" resistance of the "heads" varies from the "nominal" resistance of the heads, which it almost always does.

I'd say that most people vape at between 4 and 8 watts per coil. Let's see how 6 watts can be produced with a Joyetech eGo-C Twist (or any other variable voltage device) with any of those three atomizer heads.

3.28 volts x 3.28 volts / 1.8 ohms = 6 watts

3.79 volts x 3.79 volts / 2.4 ohms = 6 watts

4.09 volts x 4.09 volts / 2.8 ohms = 6 watts

A constant voltage device obviously cannot do this, so please do not buy one unless you MUST have a ciggie-look-alike.

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I think it's safe to say that the more a PV (Personal Vaporizer - as opposed to, I suppose, an impersonal vaporizer) looks like a cigarette, the worse it performs (battery life, the ability to use attachments that will give you better flavor, more convenience (like less fiddling with cartridges and refilling thereof), and lack of variable voltage), which in my opinion is a critical part of achieving an optimum vape.

With that in mind, how important is it to you on a scale of 1-10 - with ten being of paramount importance - to have your PV look as much as possible like the things that are presently killing you? If you can get past the look-alike thing, your vape will (IMO) be better, and (IMO) your chances of getting ciggies out of your life will improve.

I particularly like the $22 Joyetech eGo-C Twist 650mah (variable voltage eGo-class battery) fitted with a Vivi Nova tank/atomizer, which is what I'm vaping on right now.

The Volt is arguably the best of the look-alikes, and performs very well for what it is; a constant-voltage device with a relatively small battery. That said, the setup I'm using right now gives a better vape, and costs about the same, or less.

 

[fourthrok]

Congrats on trying to quit the smokes! With the 510's you'll be able to use your accessories with a lot of others devices, the KR808's you'll only be able to use with similiar analog looking devices. As you progress down your vaping journey you'll eventually want to move onwards to bigger batteries for longer battery life and with the correct attachment better vapor production. With the 510's you'll be able to use the accessories that you acquired now with your new device down the road. Not familiar with the brands you listed however.

Um...not quite accurate. The KR808 stuff is perfectly compatible with eGo and 510 stuff with the proper adapter (510 to 901/808) and there are tanks and clearomizers available for the KR808 systems, too. Plus KR808 DOES have the eGo sized batteries available (Volt X2 at Smokeless Image, and vGo at Vapors Heaven and VaporSmiths) High quality too. The only thing KR808 cannot offer at this time is variable voltage. However they do offer regulated voltage and sealed batteries. JFYI.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Get a Volt from Smokeless Image. And get some extra juice to refill the cartomizers that you get. Enough said. Keep it simple at first. Don't let the foreign language in here scare you off. After you get your kit, go to the Smokeless Image forum in here (you can find it by doing a search) and ask Imagine any questions you have about your setup, plus enjoy everyone else's company in there. I have Volt as well as other mods but for you being new, keep it simple and don't worry about all the choices right now.

 

[gthompson]

Good grief. The guy has never vaped before. Don't run him off with all the technical mumbo jumbo before he even gets started. All he needs is something to get started with to see if he even likes it.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Volts really are the best cig look-alikes and you will see that stated alot in here, and I don't work for them. lol.

 

[-VapoHolic-]

Um...not quite accurate. The KR808 stuff is perfectly compatible with eGo and 510 stuff with the proper adapter (510 to 901/808) and there are tanks and clearomizers available for the KR808 systems, too. Plus KR808 DOES have the eGo sized batteries available (Volt X2 at Smokeless Image, and vGo at Vapors Heaven and VaporSmiths) High quality too. The only thing KR808 cannot offer at this time is variable voltage. However they do offer regulated voltage and sealed batteries. JFYI.

Well I stand corrected with my remark, thanks. Sorry to OP for mis-guided info. I just feel its easier to own a 510 because you can use your accessories without purchasing an adaptor, and battery wise I was speaking more so of a mod down the road with 18650 batts.

 

[gthompson]

510 is more universal. Period.

 

[Bronze]

Volts really are the best cig look-alikes and you will see that stated alot in here, and I don't work for them. lol.

And I've seen a ton of people who say their 510, 808, joyetech, prosmoke, V2 is the best look alike. But since you're consistent with the first replier (who offered good advice), you get a thumbs up.

 

[John D in CT]

Volts really are the best cig look-alikes and you will see that stated alot in here, and I don't work for them. lol.

OP:

Yes, the Volt is a very, very good look-alike.

Question though: If you have just been informed that you have the onset of COPD, and are out of breath, indicating that your lungs are screwed up, why are you looking to spend twenty bucks, when you've been spending thousands of dollars a year on the things that have ravaged your body?

To answer some of your specific questions:

18 mg is a good strength to start with. 6ml/day is maybe a day's worth of juice on average. Six 30ml (1 oz.) bottles of juice should last you about a month. That's about $3 a day.

Please don't get a constant-voltage look-alike; variable voltage is superior in almost every case, and IMO will give you a better chance of success in your personal battle to stay alive and healthy.


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Joyetech eGo-C Twist: Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery


How to change out your Vivi Nova tank - YouTube Vivi Nova tank - Filling, changing heads 1:38

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-Ol8qWPic&feature=g-all-c Grimm Green Twist Game changer

 

[Bronze]

Good Luck Skip.

 

[John D in CT]

Skip, quiz on Ohm's Law at 5PM sharp!!!!!

Fine, yuck it up while the guy dies.

In the meantime, I think it's important that beginners have the best vape for the buck that they can get, and IMO that is not going to be from a look-alike.

I also think that it's good to have a basic understanding of how volts, the resistance of an atomizer coil in ohms, and the watts created by them affect the vape.

 

[Bronze]

Fine, yuck it up while the guy dies.

John, your desire to help this gentlemen is admirable. And I mean that. And you make good points. Just havin' some fun. But let's let Skip start out with something simple. It's easy for you and me to flash pictures of our PV's in front of Skip and tell him about Mini Nova's and the like. But you have to remember where Noobs are coming from (most of them anyway). They need it simple, small, and look-a-like. The PV's and Nova's are large and intimidating to Noobs. Those little Volt kits that a couple people have suggested is an excellent intro for Skip. None of us want Skip to die. I have ideas different than the first replier. But putting my two cents in wont help Skip when the first suggestion was likely as good as any other. We'd serve Skip better by supporting the first replier's suggestion. Just my opinion. No offense intended.

 

[John D in CT]

John, your desire to help this gentlemen is admirable. And I mean that. And you make good points. Just havin' some fun. But let's let Skip start out with something simple. It's easy for you and me to flash pictures of our PV's in front of Skip and tell him about Mini Nova's and the like. But you have to remember where Noobs are coming from (most of them anyway). They need it simple, small, and look-a-like. The PV's and Nova's are large and intimidating to Noobs. Those little Volt kits that a couple people have suggested is an excellent intro for Skip. None of us want Skip to die. I have ideas different than the first replier. But putting my two cents in wont help Skip when the first suggestion was likely as good as any other. We'd serve Skip better by supporting the first replier's suggestion. Just my opinion. No offense intended.

"But let's let Skip start out with something simple".

The Twist and Vivi Nova are very simple.

"They need it simple, small, and look-a-like".

I don't think that it can be categorically stated that that is what they "need"; especially the look-alike part.

"We'd serve Skip better by supporting the first replier's suggestion".

It's my opinion that Skip would be best served by being presented with a good understanding of the advantages and disadvantages of the basic options available to him, and I would be remiss if I didn't suggest the option of going with a nice, simple VV setup like a Twist (or kGo VV, or Vision Spinner) and the Vivi Nova.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/337650-ego-twist-viva-nova-startup-kit.html

 

[gijills]

digesting... the reason I was looking at the $20 starters is 1. $$$ 2. will I like it? 3. if they are expandable I can upgrade or even spend more $$ in it down the road. But my option is to quit 100% or go with the E Cig.

Skip