NOOB needs advice

[DuffyA2Z]

Noob to noob I was a 2 pack a day smoker, tried a joye 510 kit for 40-50 bucks, hated it battery life wasn't good enough for me, juice ran out to quick, couldn't get a good throat hit etc. back to 2 packs a day I went.

Tried again this past August - with some help from all of the fine people on this board I am very happy with my ego twist (1000mah) and vivi nova tanks. Finding the right juice for you is another story ..

Good luck in whatever you decide!

 

[Bronze]

You did Bronze and a new vaper is surely confused and intimidated! Skip can PM me if he'd like, but I don't know how much help I can give him. I truly don't mean to negate anything anyone has said.....I just think being new to these things is intimidating.

Apologies if I offended anyone, that was not my intention.

Awesome avatar frankie! With that, I really am checking out now.

 

[John D in CT]

The worst part about a question like yours is that your thread quickly fills up with a million suggestions and you walk away more confused than when you started. I just read fourthrok's post and that is as good advice as you will get. I'd follow his/her advice and get on with it. The only thing I will add is to perfect whatever it is you start with and keep an open mind about graduating to other things. But be sure you maximize your experience at each step first. It is all too common to see vapers constantly changing gear and not learning/understanding any of it. Then they get frustrated and chuck it all in. So get after fourthrok's advice and have a blast!

Rather than "a million suggestions", I'm up to about two. A constant-voltage ciggie look-alike, or a variable voltage eGo-class battery with a Vivi Nova. And I respectfully submit that that advice - while fine - is not necessarily "[as good as it gets]."

Good grief. The guy has never vaped before. Don't run him off with all the technical mumbo jumbo before he even gets started. All he needs is something to get started with to see if he even likes it.

Watts pretty much equals heat at the coil. Volts times volts divided by resistance = watts at the coil. Variable voltage lets you control the heat of the coil, and therefore, many of the qualities of the vape. You can't do that with constant voltage. I don't think that's really all that complicated, and it is certainly not "mumbo jumbo" IMO.

Skip....sorry, but I predicted this confusion on my first post. If you want my help, just hit the private messaging button and let me know. Meanwhile, I wish you the best of luck in trying to quit the ciggies. I smoked for 40 years myself and vaping has made me quit. And it wasn't hard. Again, best of luck to you.

Checking out.

And if you want my help, PM me and I'll give you my phone number, and we can have a nice long chat, and maybe talk about why these guys are so keen on depriving you of the clear advantages of variable voltage, now available for just a few dollars more than a similar-sized constant voltage device. If you positively must have a ciggie look-alike, then you can't yet get variable voltage, in which case, never mind.

You did Bronze and a new vaper is surely confused and intimidated! Skip can PM me if he'd like, but I don't know how much help I can give him. I truly don't mean to negate anything anyone has said.....I just think being new to these things is intimidating.

Apologies if I offended anyone, that was not my intention.

Skip, are you confused and intimidated?

 

[gthompson]

A PBusardo Review - The Provari V2 - Provape - YouTube

I'll just keep posting this till he watches it.

 

[John D in CT]

A PBusardo Review - The Provari V2 - Provape - YouTube

I'll just keep posting this till he watches it.

I'm really suggesting that the OP get a VV eGo-class battery and some Vivi Novas. Are you really suggesting that the OP purchase a ProVari? If so, why? Don't you think that's over-kill? Those are about $180 +, batteries not included.

 

[gthompson]

Of course it's overkill.

 

[dejavoodoo]

*ahem*...it would appear that we lost Skip, the OP. Haven't heard from him in a bit. Hopefully he is PM'ing someone.

GOOD LUCK SKIP!

 

[heater]

Now that the equipment is all sorted. Welcome Skip look forward to seeing you around..

 

[John D in CT]

Of course it's overkill.

Then why are you posting a link to that video review of it?

 

[gthompson]

How is it different from you posting GrimmGreen Twist videos pray tell? I think we should turn the newbie on to DIY juices while we're at it.

I don't know your story, but most beginners come here thinking they need something that looks like, feels like, smells like, tastes like a cigarette, and they're often easily intimidated. If he wants to get a twist and a vivi nova, and he feels comfortable with that, more power to him. There's no need to push it on him though. There were other suggestions given to him, let him decide his own direction, there's no need for someone to push their own agenda so hard.

 

[John D in CT]

How is it different from you posting GrimmGreen Twist videos pray tell? I think we should turn the newbie on to DIY juices while we're at it.

I don't know your story, but most beginners come here thinking they need something that looks like, feels like, smells like, tastes like a cigarette, and they're often easily intimidated. If he wants to get a twist and a vivi nova, and he feels comfortable with that, more power to him. There's no need to push it on him though. There were other suggestions given to him, let him decide his own direction, there's no need for someone to push their own agenda so hard.

How is recommending a Joyetech eGo-C Twist different from recommending a ProVari?

You prayed, I'll tell. One costs $179+, the other costs about $22. And again with the "slippery slope" thing; it's a lot easier to use a Twist with a Nova than it is to mix your own juices, which I do not recommend for beginners.

"Let him decide his own direction, there's no need for someone to push their own agenda so hard".

Providing him with useful information is IMO vital to helping him decide what the best direction for him is. And my agenda is getting people off of cigarettes, and I'll push that agenda as hard as I damn please. I recommend things based on how well I think they'll accomplish that goal. Period.

And are you not pushing your own agenda? You are naturally entitled to do so, but I don't think it's fair to then criticize others for doing the same.

"If he wants to get a twist and a vivi nova, and he feels comfortable with that, more power to him".

I'm simply trying to get him to the point that he wants them, which will IMO be better achieved if he knows about them, and why they will give him an arguably better vape than a constant-voltage look-alike, and what other knowledgable people have to say about them.

Speaking of the latter, here's a "highlight reel" from another current thread in the New members Forum:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/337650-ego-twist-viva-nova-startup-kit.html

Agree with the twist. I'd go with a vivi nova to start with. Easier cause in my opinion cartos can be tricky little critters if not done right. For the juice try different places and just get sample packs.

Welcome to ECF and good luck.

You will want 2 twists, probably a couple of vivi nova's and a few more replaceable heads for the novas, and an ego charger. You cannot use just any charger. Altsmokes has all of the above and sells their vivi nova tanks with 3 heads included (your choice of ohms) for $9.95. There is probably an ECF discount code for them somewhere around here.

I will also say that is a very good setup. I am just now moving from the cig style of PV. The twist is a great little starter, and I love my Vivi nova.

Well after much looking, learning, and research I have decided to get the very combination that Biziou suggested! [Two Twists, 2 Vivi Novas, charger, juice]

This person is new, the Vivi is perfect. You may want to grab a couple clearo like the stardust or something like that. Just for a few flavor choices to use. You can get into punching carto's and rebuilding down the road. There are a few places using twists for a start up set. Good luck!

The OP:

This is exactly what I bought and should be here tomorrow. I hope this stuff comes with instructions. I have read numerous accounts of people getting similar vape results the the Twist and Viva and the expensive Provari models.

I spent around 110 dollars which sets me up with 2 twists, 2 Vivis, Charger, and around 150ml of different juice. I already have enough expensive hobbies and don't want to turn this into. However, I tend to dive in head first.

Resistance is futile.

I have both the twist 1000 and the vivi nova tank. Im a new vaper so I had to get everything I got twist ,tank, and charger for less than $50 from Alt smoke

Hi all,

Curiously, I just wrote a beginners' guide that recommends this setup---the eGo Twist + Vivi Nova. Seems to be a popular combo right now, and I think it's very easy to use. (To see the guide, scroll to the bottom of this page; the link goes off the forum. I'll start a new thread called Vaping 101 for feedback.)

That said, I do recommend the following matches for a PV that looks and feels right:
* 1000mAh Twist . . . 3.5ml tank
* 650mAh Twist . . . 2ml "mini" tank
Plus the little chrome thingies, of course. (They bring looks as well as structural stability.)

Ok here is my twist 1000mah set up with a mini vivi nova 2.5. Looks great and I love it. View attachment 139826

You will need on of the Small DCT thread covers to make it look seamless.View attachment 139827

You can get all this from Joye eGo | Joye 510 | Electronic Cigarette supplies Tulsa | Batteries, atomizers, cartomizers, e-Liquid and more! my fave vendor. Fast shipping and dependable customer service and very accomodating return policies for defective items.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/337650-ego-twist-viva-nova-startup-kit.html

 

[gthompson]

Ok, you're right.

 

[John D in CT]

Ok, you're right.

Awww, you're just sayin' that.

 

[Tazzy July]

Wow Im new as well and you guys make it sound so complicated voltage watts etc. I have 3 ego c passthrough batteries and 4 vision clearomizers thats it guess I will learn more stuff as I go Lots of info on here Today is day 15 for me and so far I have had no problems Congrats to all that are new to vaping Have a great day fellow vapers

 

[PEneoark]

Wow....Most of you are unreal. Try not to scare the OP away.

 

[klynnn]

Just get an ego twist, a charger, a vivi nova, and juice. When you get it you will understand all of the above and you won't be out a ton of money. Btw Welcome to ECF!

 

[John D in CT]

Wow Im new as well and you guys make it sound so complicated voltage watts etc. I have 3 ego c passthrough batteries and 4 vision clearomizers thats it guess I will learn more stuff as I go Lots of info on here Today is day 15 for me and so far I have had no problems Congrats to all that are new to vaping Have a great day fellow vapers

I think there's a very basic amount of information about volts, ohms, and watts that is so crucial to a satisfying vaping experience - and therefore, crucial for success in the War on Smoking - that's it's worth taking about three minutes out of your life to get a handle on.

I think it will also save a lot of wasted and frustrating time spent wondering why you're not getting a satisfactory vape, or trying to decide what resistance of coil or coils you should be using.

It really is not very complicated.

The watts (heat) at the coil or coils is a function of the volts flowing through the resistance wire that the coil is made of.

Having a variable voltage device/PV/APV/battery lets you control the amount of watts (heat) of the coil or coils, allowing you to tailor your vape for a variety of flavors, resistances, or moods.

It can be expressed with the only formula you need ever be exposed to, and that you don't even need to memorize, although it's pretty simple:

Volts times volts divided by resistance (in ohms) equals watts (heat), or

V x V / R (sometimes expressed as "I") = W.

So;

X volts with a lower resistance coil = more heat (more watts).

X volts with a higher resistance coil = less heat (fewer watts).

This is why you wouldn't want to use a 3 ohm single coil with your eGo-C (constant voltage) battery.

3.4 volts x 3.4 volts / 3 ohms = 3.85 watts. Kinda "cool".

A 2.0 ohm single coil would be better.

3.4 volts x 3.4 volts / 2 ohms = 5.78 watts. Probably a better vape.

If you had a variable voltage eGo-class battery, you could have a much wider and more adjustable range of temperatures at the coil. With a Twist, you could plug in a voltage of anywhere between 3.2 and 4.8 with either a 2.0 or 3.0 ohm single coil and get just about any reasonable wattage you'd be likely to desire, regardless of the flavor or PG/VG ratio of the juice, or variance of resistances of coils from their "nominal" rating (a "2.0" might actually be a 1.8, or a 2.2, for example).

Variable voltage just lets you have a better chance of having the coil at a temperature that gives you a vape that you'll like, and that will get and keep you off of cigarettes; in other words, "fulfill my agenda".

 

[John D in CT]

Wow....Most of you are unreal. Try not to scare the OP away.

I'm doing my "real" best to balance his chances of quitting smoking against the risk of scaring him off.

I have faith in him, but we shall see.

 

[gthompson]

I quit smoking (after almost 40 years), as did many, many, many others here, without a VV, without a tank, without knowing how to calculate watts. That all came much later. I quit using some old 510 stick batteries, some clearos, and some juice.

You aren't increasing his chances, you're just confusing him. Notice he's long gone? Congrats on proving how smart you are. I know I'm impressed.

 

[John D in CT]

I quit smoking (after almost 40 years), as did many, many, many others here, without a VV, without a tank, without knowing how to calculate watts. That all came much later. I quit using some old 510 stick batteries, some clearos, and some juice.

You aren't increasing his chances, you're just confusing him. Notice he's long gone? Congrats on proving how smart you are. I know I'm impressed.

I'm very happy that you were able to quit smoking without variable voltage or a lot of the other advances that have been made in vaping technology. That does not mean that others must do the same, and isn't a compelling reason for me to start recommending constant voltage instead of variable voltage.

And my intent is not to prove anything about my mental capabilities.

Lastly, I can do without sarcasm and other demonstrations of ill will. We are in this sub-forum to help newcomers as best we can, not to take pot shots at one another.