Not Gonna Buy Any More Premixed E-juice. EVER.
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And when you fire up the generator to recharge your batteries, lock and load, because the hoarde will be drawn to the noise of the engine. You COULD rig a solar charger, but where's the fun in that?
First things first. You must decide or choose what percent vg and pg you want your juice.
First thing is decide what vg/pg % you want to make and what strength (mg).
Then you decide which nic to buy @ what strength. I make 70%vg juice so I bought nic in a vg base.
You will need both vg and pg (plain no nic)
Then you will need flavoring. Flavoring is a small % of the total. 5% - 20% depending on what flavor, Always start low, you can add a little more flavor but cannot take it out
Strength (mg) is mg per ml. If you want to make a 10ml batch @ 15mg you will need to use enough nic base to get 150 total mg. If your nic is 60mg, you would use 2.5ml (150 total mg divided by 60mg per ml)
60mg nic is a good level to buy.
You can trickle charge batteries with fruit and wire. It'll be a process, but with some planning you can blow off steam right up until they chow your noggin.
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So I have never really zoned in on exactly what mix is best for me.
For the most part I do 70/30 pg/vg or 60/40 pg/vg but st is just because that's what I am offered by the vendors I like
I normally vape 9mg strength.
For the most part I do 70/30 pg/vg or 60/40 pg/vg but st is just because that's what I am offered by the vendors I like
I normally vape 9mg strength.
To make 10ml of 70/30 @ 9mg using 5% flavor:
Nic = 60mg in vg base.
1.5 ml nic (10ml x 9mg = 90 total mg divided by 60mg = 1.5ml)
5.5 ml plain vg (this brings total vg to 70% 1.5 + 5.5)
2.5 ml plain pg
0.5 ml flavoring (flavoring is usually pg based so this gives you 30% pg total)
If the flavoring is to weak @ 5%, you can add a few drops at a time and try it. You can also add drops of another flavor.
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It depends on what you like to vape as to how to buy your Nic, I vape almost all VG or a min of 80% VG so I buy my Nic 100%VG and 100mg strength. I find my mixes turn out best for me like this. If you use a higher PG mix then you can buy 100% PG Nic Base opposite of what I do then buy your VG & flavorings. Pick up some good but inexpensive syringes on ebay or from a vendor they work best to measure your %'s of liquids. I use all glass bottles as I find it stores my juices and Nic best but you can use plastic if you want, many vendors have both that sell DIY Supplies. As for flavorings I find it is best to have a vast array from different suppliers, Capellas, Natures Flavors, TFA, FA, but you can surely start off with 5-8 to get yourself started or just buy the ones you need when you know what you want to make.
I usually make small 3ml batches first adding my flavorings and vg & and set my bottle in warm to very warm water to help the VG & Flavorings mend together quicker then add my Nic. The whole process sounds much more complicated then it really is and after you get passed the initial purchase of gear, flavorings, and Nic your 1/2 way there. I'm making some pretty dam good juice for 15c-20c per ml sometimes less which ends up costing me on AVG $4.50 per 30ml's of juice a far cry from the $15 on AVG that vendors charge so a mistake here and there is no biggie and worth the cost of learning
Just get yourself say 120ml's of some good Nic base (RTSVapes ) to start and some flavoring and VG/PG, bottles, syringes, and your off and running 
Also, go to Flavouart.it and click on there fact section on the lower right hand side of the home page of the online store, this will give you some good reads as well as the DIY Section on ECF for some recipes and mixing help
It depends on what you like to vape as to how to buy your Nic, I vape almost all VG or a min of 80% VG so I buy my Nic 100%VG and 100mg strength. I find my mixes turn out best for me like this. If you use a higher PG mix then you can buy 100% PG Nic Base opposite of what I do then buy your VG & flavorings. Pick up some good but inexpensive syringes on ebay or from a vendor they work best to measure your %'s of liquids. I use all glass bottles as I find it stores my juices and Nic best but you can use plastic if you want, many vendors have both that sell DIY Supplies. As for flavorings I find it is best to have a vast array from different suppliers, Capellas, Natures Flavors, TFA, FA, but you can surely start off with 5-8 to get yourself started or just buy the ones you need when you know what you want to make.
I usually make small 3ml batches first adding my flavorings and vg & and set my bottle in warm to very warm water to help the VG & Flavorings mend together quicker then add my Nic. The whole process sounds much more complicated then it really is and after you get passed the initial purchase of gear, flavorings, and Nic your 1/2 way there. I'm making some pretty dam good juice for 15c-20c per ml sometimes less which ends up costing me on AVG $4.50 per 30ml's of juice a far cry from the $15 on AVG that vendors charge so a mistake here and there is no biggie and worth the cost of learning
Just get yourself say 120ml's of some good Nic base (RTSVapes ) to start and some flavoring and VG/PG, bottles, syringes, and your off and running Also, go to Flavouart.it and click on there fact section on the lower right hand side of the home page of the online store, this will give you some good reads as well as the DIY Section on ECF for some recipes and mixing help
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Thank you karmakatie! It doesnt matter if this person ACTUALLY nailed the flavor of BB, I just want a good tobacco flavor. Now if it WAS the recipe for BB, then nobody would BUY BB, they would just make it for a couple cents/ml rather than 50 cents/ml. I for one love BB, but I just dont think that tit-for-tat it is worth the money for me unless I can not make a good tobacco flavor I like. I will also be trying the tobacco flavor davelog posted in the reo diy recipe thread, sounds delish
mwa, you hit it on the head! alot easier to not like a juice at your cost than the $15-20 that vendors charge, that and you have a chance to fix your juice where it is at least vapable, not so with some vendors juice!
+1 to the OP. I typed out an epic odyssey, but I'm just going to say I agree with ya. DIY is cheap enough. I can understand business overhead, but I'm sure some of these vendors buy pg/vg by the 55 gallon drum, and nic/flavoring by the gallon for pennies on the dollar.
This isn't a blanket statement... some juice vendors do more than simply buy the same things we DIY with and sell at a huge markup catering to people who are willing to pay a premium for convenience. But there are plenty out there who do. At the end of the day, juice sells at what the market will bear.
This isn't a blanket statement... some juice vendors do more than simply buy the same things we DIY with and sell at a huge markup catering to people who are willing to pay a premium for convenience. But there are plenty out there who do. At the end of the day, juice sells at what the market will bear.
the funny thing is, I remember reading that thread when i first started vaping 
. thanks for redirecting me, it seems I have come full circle
. thanks for redirecting me, it seems I have come full circle To further agree with mudflap's rant, the thing that never made sense to me is, lets say a juice vendor pays on average 5 cents per ml of juice they brew, and from what I have read from diy hobbyists that is a high estimate, that is a 1000% mark up from their raw meterials to the finished product at 50 cents/ml, and that is considered a very reasonable price for good juice in this market, why? is it simply because they do not have enough sales? this does not make sense to me as a lot of vendors can hardly keep up with demand. And oooh there's a sale, thats right for a limited time you only have to pay me at a 900% mark up... what a deal right?
To be clear I do not expect to get my juice for 10 cents/ml, I just feel as though 50 cents/ml being a good price is kind of rediculous.
To be clear I do not expect to get my juice for 10 cents/ml, I just feel as though 50 cents/ml being a good price is kind of rediculous.
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so I want VG even though my PG % is much higher? I swear I am going to stop asking at some point and just move on.
To me trying to do this would be like trying to learn a foreign language. I swear it looks like that to me.
also, what makes me nervous is cleaning the stuff. You are not supposed to get this on your skin. How does one go about cleaning?
@ Mudflap's OP - OK OK! I will look into DIY! Sheesh
In the very short 2 months that I have been vaping, I am amazed at how anemic some of the juices I have purchased have been. It's like the vendor wasn't even trying. Or else the vendor describes something as a "subtle" flavor. Translation - I cheaped out on how much flavor I added. And what's with double flavor? Shouldn't the recipe come full of flavor as a standard? And what about customization? I still have to pay an extremely inflated price for a small bottle to try it out, but I have to wait 4-6 weeks before I can even try it. That's when I find out whether or not I like the juice, and then you expect me to tell YOU how to adjust it to my taste so I can buy a bigger bottle at a slightly less inflated price? No thanks. If your flavor/juice sucks in the first place, I won't be back.
Honestly, out of the 50 or so juices I have tried (steeped and everything), I have found maybe 10 that I would consider buying again. With that said, I haven't tried KBV or RAWR yet, so those will be the last 2 vendors I try as I get into DIY.
The only concern I have so far is dealing with nic liquid. I can handle the dangers involved and take the necessary precautions, but I am worried about mislabeled nic liquid. I have already read about one or two incidents where the nic liquid concentration was way off from what the label said. Any advice on that?
In the very short 2 months that I have been vaping, I am amazed at how anemic some of the juices I have purchased have been. It's like the vendor wasn't even trying. Or else the vendor describes something as a "subtle" flavor. Translation - I cheaped out on how much flavor I added. And what's with double flavor? Shouldn't the recipe come full of flavor as a standard? And what about customization? I still have to pay an extremely inflated price for a small bottle to try it out, but I have to wait 4-6 weeks before I can even try it. That's when I find out whether or not I like the juice, and then you expect me to tell YOU how to adjust it to my taste so I can buy a bigger bottle at a slightly less inflated price? No thanks. If your flavor/juice sucks in the first place, I won't be back.
Honestly, out of the 50 or so juices I have tried (steeped and everything), I have found maybe 10 that I would consider buying again. With that said, I haven't tried KBV or RAWR yet, so those will be the last 2 vendors I try as I get into DIY.
The only concern I have so far is dealing with nic liquid. I can handle the dangers involved and take the necessary precautions, but I am worried about mislabeled nic liquid. I have already read about one or two incidents where the nic liquid concentration was way off from what the label said. Any advice on that?
I have no answer for the previous question, but would like to add for those of you considering DIY for the first time to take a simple approach. For your first juices, I recommend using a single flavor. It will help you build confidence on making more complicated creations down the road. For example....Apple Pie or Lemon Drop are sold as a single flavoring. You will find it is surprisingly easy. And take your time. Measure twice, cut once=double check your calculations.
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