nothing is really satisfying

[FireDragon1138]

I've tried a lot of stuff and nothing is really satisfying. At most I'm finding e-cigs are a way to "smoke" indoors, staving off cravings for a few hours. But, I just got done practically chain smoking real cigs, after a day of forcing myself to use e-cigs.


A couple of things I noted:

1) e-cigs don't help with my anxiety like real cigs. I had panic attacks for years when I quit smoking, and e-cigs actually make me feel a little nervous/panicky after a nicotine hit, unlike real tobacco. I especially notice tension in my chest vaping, even at 12mg nicotine.

2) there's no "buzz" from e-cigs, unlike real tobacco. just a slightly "altered" feeling, heightened awareness, but the relaxation feeling I assosciate with tobacco is not really there. E-cigs feel artificial.

3) I was more averse to nicotine and I was reducing my overall "puffing" on e-cigs. I'd puff ever 10-15 minutes or so, but really watch that I wasn't getting freaked out by too big a hit. I have to laugh at the idea that e-cigs could be a gateway to nicotine addiction. I just don't see it happening . There's no real euphoria like with tobacco, so I don't see this as appealing to kids or new smokers unless they just need to look "cool".

4) I felt like I was on the patch and quitting. Not crawling up the walls but just the same types of feelings as being on the patch.

5) It's really, for me, not about the setup, cigalikes vs. ego vs. whatever.. it's about the juice, or rather, lack of real tobacco

I'm going to try some whole tobacco alkaloid from WholeCig but I suspect vaping is going down a cost prohibitive route if that is what I need to stay away from rolling up more cigarettes. I've also considered going back to using snuff (Copenhagen Skoal) and so on. Even nasal snuff is more satisfying than vaping. Which is too bad as I do enjoy vaping for the hobby aspects, and the ritual and resemblance to smoking. It's just not tobacco.

 

[DetraMental]

I've heard the WTA (Whole Tobacco Alkaloid) really does help people having a hard time switching from cigs to vaping. Give it a go and let us know if it helps you. Good luck and thanks for sharing your experience with us.

 

[WillyZee]

try to keep at it FireDragon ... many people struggle with finding the vape that satisfies a tobacco habit.

you can do it

 

[Storm52]

Have you thought that your nic level in the juice is too low? As I've said probably too many times, the method of inhale; nic delivery; mechanical dexterity and tools are completely different with vaping. If you are getting some reduction in the number of cigs smoked, then you've already accomplished a great deal. For many vaping is a means to cut down on smokes. Hopefully for them it will result in a method to quit completely. However, there will be others that find vaping isn't for them. In both cases, it is okay!

 

[whomper]

I'd jack up the nic levels. I was a pack a day smoker and the standard advice here was to start at 24 mg and ween yourself down. I got down to 6 mg, fell of the wagon then got back on it.

 

[FireDragon1138]

I will very much keep everybody informed on this thread here, since so many new people seem to struggle switching to e-cigs.

I quit in the past using American and Swedish snuff and snus without too much effort. It didn't replace the ritual of smoking, but it had rituals of it its own. It's possible I could find some satisfaction mixing up snuff and vaping, since it seems like it takes hours for the cravings to really kick in, and as a hobby, vaping is definitely fun.

I really think more research needs to be done into tobacco alkaloids. No wonder NRT just doesn't work. For me its almost like I don't even need the nicotine that much, its the other goodies my body is craving.

Upping my nicotine does no good to stop cravings: yesterday I vaped an NJoy King (one big hit- NJoy's are really strong stuff, with a nice throat hit for sure but too strong for me) and some 18mg juice (two smaller ones) and nearly had a panic attack from heart palpitations, tension in my chest, and so on. It's not a question of nicotine level, there is something missing in e-juice, as I had just gotten done a few hours earlier smoking a few Marlboro Reds and some handrolled ciggies (they are strong indeed, even buying the mildest pipe tobacco). My partner is lucky, she can swap any tobacco product, nicotine lozenge, or e-liquid and it's all good for her, but for me I really feel the difference.

 

[txcolt]

I have to agree with Storm. You may need to try a little higher nic level. I started at 24mg and have worked my way down to 12mg. When I got my nic level on my juice to the right level it made quitting easier. Before that I was still craving a cigarette like a mad man.

 

[anumber1]

For me, vaping takes care of two of the myriad of smoking components. Two of the hardest for me to just walk away from.
1. The oral fixation of the act of smoking. The hardest paet of this is that a battery lasts way longer than a regular cig. At first I just had no idea whan to set my tank down.
2. The nicotene. That was easy. I started high and now vape 6 or 12mg juice. Anything more is too much for me now (3 months into no more cigs).

Harder for me was craving all the other substances that exist in a camel.

I had pretty much lost the crave for a "real" cig. Smoked one because I was with my fellows who were anyway. And started craving those camels all over again.

I am convinced that a big tobacco cig has much more than nic keeping a person craving them. A nic fit from extended non-vaping is much more mild than one from the lack of a camel.

The cig crave took a few days to fade. Im not going back.

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[jensy]

Part of the problem does sound like the nic level . You can keep vaping the 12 but perhaps have 15-16mg around for those times you really want a smoke , like after meals and such. Good luck and keep trying it is really worth it once you find your nic level .

 

[The Fezman]

I smoked real cigs for 20+ years, some times two packs a day, i had a pipe, smoked cigars you name it, heck i would light a cigar (inhaled most of it) would put it down and light a cigarette then finish the cigar, i was never big on chew and only fiddled with nasel snuff when i was a kid, so i know all about nicotine addiction. I started vaping with a blu xmass day, smoked a few more packs till about a week or two and just started to hate smokes. My skin crawled i had a few more panic attacks (last time i quit cold turkey i went totally nuts) now i vape like a mad man, i only buy 24% juice and use 36% when mixing my own (i cut it down to about 20)

Quiting is mostly mental. I really really wanted and needed to quit smoking. I vape i feel better, i sound better, and i want a cigarette nonstop. Im sick of smelling funny im sick of dirty looks im sick of standing out in the cold. Vapes might not be the best way to get off nicotine addiction but it's what im using

 

[dice57]

What gear are you vaping with? Honestly at the level I vape, no cigarette could possibly lure me away from my daily Vape. Smoke are just so crude and primitive and can't supply half the satisfaction that vape gives me.

I smoked for 27 years, 1.5 PAD camel filters, and made the transition to vape quite easily. In my search for something missing in my vape I have progressed to advanced personal vaporizer and atomizers and can't imagine ever downgrading to dried leaves rolled in paper and lit with a flame.

 

[JaxMike]

Upping my nicotine does no good to stop cravings: yesterday I vaped an NJoy King (one big hit- NJoy's are really strong stuff, with a nice throat hit for sure but too strong for me) and some 18mg juice (two smaller ones) and nearly had a panic attack from heart palpitations, tension in my chest, and so on. It's not a question of nicotine level, there is something missing in e-juice, as I had just gotten done a few hours earlier smoking a few Marlboro Reds and some handrolled ciggies (they are strong indeed, even buying the mildest pipe tobacco). My partner is lucky, she can swap any tobacco product, nicotine lozenge, or e-liquid and it's all good for her, but for me I really feel the difference.

Honestly, if vaping is giving you palpitations and a tight chest, I don't think I'd advise upping your nicotine level. I'd advise not vaping until you've consulted a doctor. I just haven't read of many people having those kind of reactions and I don't think they should be ignored.

Just my 2 cents... I hope you work it out. Good luck.

 

[anumber1]

Honestly, if vaping is giving you palpitations and a tight chest, I don't think I'd advise upping your nicotine level. I'd advise not vaping until you've consulted a doctor. I just haven't read of many people having those kind of reactions and I don't think they should be ignored.

Just my 2 cents... I hope you work it out. Good luck.

Sound advice!

I also suffer from panic attacks. The symptoms of them mimic many other major problems that can be much more serious.
A doctors consult/advise is truly a good idea.

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[FireDragon1138]

I've been in and out of cardiologists and emergency rooms... my heart is fine. It's anxiety/panic. Honestly, my health was worse before I went back to smoking. I'm not looking to "quit", live a tobacco free life. Just maybe a healthier alternative long term.

FWIW, my gear is:

unregulated eGo battery (its currently got around ~3.9 volts) and joye 510-T tanks/atomizers
CE4 clearomizers, standard resistance
2 ohm CE8 clearomizer
blu ecigs
mistic ecig I picked up at gas station
njoy king gold (I like this one, not too strong still has a kick... but not as satisfying as real tobacco)
one kr808 battery and a few cartomizers for it
some 280mah 510 turbos for discrete, stealth vaping

I've ordered an inexpensive eGo twist to try as it would give me more flexibility, but after sampling my partners variable voltage eGo, I actually think beter vapes happen at lower voltages). I do like the warmer clearomizers and cartomizers, though.

 

[drglock]

I will very much keep everybody informed on this thread here, since so many new people seem to struggle switching to e-cigs.

I quit in the past using American and Swedish snuff and snus without too much effort. It didn't replace the ritual of smoking, but it had rituals of it its own. It's possible I could find some satisfaction mixing up snuff and vaping, since it seems like it takes hours for the cravings to really kick in, and as a hobby, vaping is definitely fun.

I really think more research needs to be done into tobacco alkaloids. No wonder NRT just doesn't work. For me its almost like I don't even need the nicotine that much, its the other goodies my body is craving.

Upping my nicotine does no good to stop cravings: yesterday I vaped an NJoy King (one big hit- NJoy's are really strong stuff, with a nice throat hit for sure but too strong for me) and some 18mg juice (two smaller ones) and nearly had a panic attack from heart palpitations, tension in my chest, and so on. It's not a question of nicotine level, there is something missing in e-juice, as I had just gotten done a few hours earlier smoking a few Marlboro Reds and some handrolled ciggies (they are strong indeed, even buying the mildest pipe tobacco). My partner is lucky, she can swap any tobacco product, nicotine lozenge, or e-liquid and it's all good for her, but for me I really feel the difference.

Whats missing from juice are the other addictive chemicals they add to ciggs! Just up your nic to 18mg and Jones for 2 weeks on juice only and you'll be on your way!

Fight the good fight my friend, in the end you'll be proud of yourself!

 

[FireDragon1138]

Addictive chemicals? I handroll or stuff 90 percent of all the cigs I smoke and use all natural tobacco. it's even more addicting than smoking store-bought cigs, IMO. The only upside is that they are more a hastle so you think more about what you are doing . But in terms of hit and craving, its the same, maybe even worse, since they taste better and typically have more buzz.

The only thing Big Tobacco did was make smoking cool. But cigs have always been addicting.

 

[wheelie]

I vaped and smoked for 3 or 4 months before I totally quit cigarettes. Just kept wanting to smoke less and less everyday. Two months I was down to four and then one a day and after that for a month I decided I didn't want any. Don't even think about quiting just take one or two normal smoking times away and vape them times instead. Set times like one cigarette an hour and use vape to fill in between when you need it. Lots of ways to do it. I went through that when I first started vaping and got all dizzy from not smoking and just vaping. I smoked 50 a day and smoked 42 years. Good luck to you.

 

[Bunnykiller]

you may want to consider upping the nic level ... nic in small doses increases things a tad as far as senses and jitteryness, larger doses has a tendancy to be more relaxing...
as far as the buzz... wont happen with juice... most of the buzz I get from the ciggies seems to be more related to CO intake.... the light headedness, the tingle... ( I was exposed to CO "poisoning" and it had the same effects as my 1st morning ciggie)

 

[Completely Average]

1) e-cigs don't help with my anxiety like real cigs. I had panic attacks for years when I quit smoking, and e-cigs actually make me feel a little nervous/panicky after a nicotine hit, unlike real tobacco. I especially notice tension in my chest vaping, even at 12mg nicotine.


I'm going to try some whole tobacco alkaloid from WholeCig but I suspect vaping is going down a cost prohibitive route if that is what I need to stay away from rolling up more cigarettes.

Well no wonder you aren't finding it satisfying!! You rolled your own unfiltered cigarettes and then are only using a 12mg juice?


That's not even remotely close enough to satisfy you. All of the symptoms you're having is WITHDRAWL.

Here is a basic guideline for you...

1 Pack a day of regular flavor filtered cigarettes = 26mg of nicotine = 24mg liquid to keep you satisfied.

You however, rolled your own, so don't be surprised if you need a 30-36mg liquid to satisfy your cravings.

 

[inksane]

Start with 36mg Nic that will get you off the analogs in no time.