odd question... Are there Carbs in vaping?

[Mogar]

I am a diabetic and I am rather new to vaping. I am using this to quit smoking (20+years) for my health and because my kids don't like the smell after I smoked.
I do need to know if there are any carbs in vaping, as I will have to figure that into my basal calculations. (Sorry basal is the amount of insulin I give myself using a mechanical insulin pump I wear 24/7).
Anyone know about this?

 

[zoiDman]

I'm not an Expert on this, but I found this for VG...

Glycerin

Glycerin is a smooth sticky substance used as a bulking agent for nutrition bars and other products. It also helps hold the bars together. Glycerin is also called glycerol.

Glycerin is considered a carbohydrate, even though its chemical structure is different from the polysaccharides. Glycerin is metabolized more slowly than the other carbohydrates, and provides slightly more energy. In some cases glycerin is only partially metabolized; the remainder is excreted from the body.

Glycerin contributes 4.32 calories per gram.

Carbohydrate Technical Details

 

[zoiDman]

And here is some Info on PG...

http://www.fitbit.com/foods/Propylene+Glycol+Usp+-+M+h/27122

 

[chesty]

i was going to mention VG too, i doubt your lungs will convert it to sugar, but some of it will end up in your saliva, swallowed and converted to sugar. i have no idea how much. you don't need VG though, you can get 100% PG juice.

edit, oh, i didn't know PG was a carb

 

[wheezal]

does that hold up when inhaled compared to ingested though?

i mean i'm sure some gets down into the stomach, but considerably less than if eaten as part of a dish.



edit: darnit chesty, you sniped my question! quit cheating from the future!

 

[e-pipeman]

Good info above. I've vaped on the Atkins diet and it hasn't affected it, so I doubt that the sugar compounds are enough to be a dietary nuisance. But this is just my experience - we need a Doctor on this thread!

 

[zoiDman]

Like I said, I'm not and Expert.

But I wonder if the Amount of e-Liquid that a person Consumes in a Day plays much of a Role compared to what they do with their Diet?

BTW - I have seen Many Threads Asking if Vaping Increases Blood Sugar Levels.

Maybe a ECF or Google Search would yield people who have more Knowledge on this that me.

 

[amolson]

Lets see, if you vape 10ml a day (a LOT) then that's 10 gm absolute maximum which is less than your body will probably change requirements as you quit smoking.

So unless you're doing the whole ultra-low or no carb thing, chances are your basal won't change significantly. That's a max. I'd guess insofar as actual carbs ingested it's most likely far less than 10% of the maximum carbs in the juice, even if they're all carbs. So we're looking at less than a gram.

And if you're eating less than 10 gm a day in carbs, you have enough willpower you'd never have smoked in the first place. So it's really not significant with the quantities most people eat, As a matter of fact, it can't possibly be more than 10%, which is well within the variance of a normal metabolism.

Now I'm not a doctor, but I've been dealing with carb counting, diabetes and insulin for a few years now. That's just the numbers. Of course, have to put in the disclaimer, 'never do anything with your doses without first talking to your doctor'. (Never figured that one out. It's like driving a car. Do you ask the instructor before every turn exactly how much to turn the wheel?) But have to put it in there.

tl;dr Compared to a normal diet, by the math, you can't get enough carbs from vaping to make a significant difference.

 

[danca90]

I'm type 1, I just checked my bloodsugar a lot for the first few weeks. It had no negative effects on me. Check your sugar, and speak with your doctor.

 

[sylpheel]

My blood sugar levels dropped about 50 points since I began vaping. YMMV

 

[ILoveNorCal]

Disclaimer: I have no scientific evidence here. Just personal experience

My girlfriend, who is especially sensitive to sugar because of a medical condition, has complained that some very sweet juices (fruit flavours and dessert types mostly) have affected her, and she has said that they were 'too sugary' and made her feel weird.

however, this could be totally psychosomatic -- but I do often wonder what the ingredients of the 'flavourings' are. You know, like the flavour extracts that they mix with the PG/VG -- I do sometimes wonder if different flavour additives contain sugar.

would actually love to hear if anyone has more info on this.

 

[Peter_C]

I've read that some shops do not *add* any sweetener at all to their juices, and then they sell a sweetener you can add yourself to their juices. That tells me that some juice makers then must add sweeteners to their juices - so not all juices will be the same. I have no idea what is *normal* for most/many juices.

I suppose one could email their favorite juice maker and ask that question?

 

[DateVapist]

I have type 1 as well and haven't noticed an impact on my blood sugars due to vaping. I vape at least 5ml a day usually, and have been since I got my first RDA. So that's almost seven months of vaping and at least 2 or 3 of them spent dripping and taking in more eliquid than I was before.


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[ddavis7426]

I can tell you after using a 60/40 vg/pg liquid I see my glucose raise about 40 points. I check my sugar at least 3 times per day and most of the readings are all higher. I have been seeing this for several years now.

 

[Stringplucker]

I'm currently having my meds adjusted (Metformin and Glyburide) to counter an increase in my glucose numbers. It's not bad enough for major concern, but enough that I decided to talk with the doc about increasing to lower the levels. I've been vaping for 101 days today...YMMV

 

[RosaJ]

I'm a type 2 diabetic and vaping does not affect my sugar levels whatsoever. I was able to bring down my A1C from 12 to 5.7 in 6 months solely on cutting out ALL carbohydrates in my food, I do not take insulin, metformin, nor any statin drugs.

The sweeteners used in eliquids do not have any sugar or fructose. Sugar and fructose would caramelize on the coil and destroy it immediately.

 

[alisa1970]

It may be that some artificial sweeteners MAY trigger an insulin response - I know that studies are showing that aspartame in particular does this. Even though there's no sugar, the brain doesn't recognize that the sweetness it's perceiving is not sugar, so it sends a message to the pancreas to releases insulin anyway. Other studies show that sucralose doesn't do this. However, sweeteners like Truvia and Splenda are mixed with dextrose, which IS a sugar that however slightly could increase insulin response.

I'm not type 2 diabetic (yet), just insulin resistant, but my blood sugar levels appear high (even on a high fat, low carb diet) and my last A1C was 6.2 (has been rising since August) so I'm on a neutraceutical version of metformin. I have an autoimmune disease that can cause diabetes, but I have been wondering whether vaping sweet juices has been contributing. I suppose a glucose meter would help but I'm sort of afraid to know.

 

[Dreaswi]

I suppose a glucose meter would help but I'm sort of afraid to know.

My step father used to say "ignorance is bliss". That was his approach to some minor back pain. Turns out it was kidney cancer that ended up killing him. Never stay ignorant about your health. It could cause irreversible damage.

It only takes one person to start a revolution.

 

[e-pipeman]

Never stay ignorant about your health.

Agreed. It can be difficult to find the information you need. There are far too many whacko health sites on the web.

 

[JMarca]

Diabetic here as well, I've never had a problem. The link posted in the second thread is very useful, except we're not eating or drinking anything. You vaporize the liquid inhale it then exhale, even if you don't exhale it your body gets rid of it for you by naturally breathing. I've asked my doctor about it she doesn't see any problem with it, in fact she's thrilled at least I don't smoke anymore.