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You miss the point, the void he creates with lack of product over his making new stuff is what allows the knock offs. They see that there is a dollar to be made in his products absence and shoot for it.

I think the knockoffs occur due to popularity more so than availability. If not, then why bother to knockoff a Provari? You can always pick up one of them at ProVape, yet they've been knocked off too. There are always going to be those consumers looking to save a buck or two and quite willing to have less quality for less money. Or probably, not even realizing that they're getting a lesser product. That's the target market for the Chinese.
 

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Imeo is not the only producer that has customers waiting. Many popular mechanical mods are now bringing premium prices, and are difficult to get. Quite a few mods are being copied and imitated. In fact it seems there are more imitators than talented creators.
Imeo' s advantage is probably due to the number of parts that are uniquely GG, making it very difficult to copy, and less profitable for the grunts trying to cash in. Imeo makes his imitators work for their ill gains. Why bother with GG when there's ezier designs? Any thing GG is uniquely Imeos design piece by individual piece. Making each device worthy of the wings they wear.


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Imeo is not the only producer that has customers waiting. Many popular mechanical mods are now bringing premium prices, and are difficult to get. Quite a few mods are being copied and imitated. In fact it seems there are more imitators than talented creators.
Imeo' s advantage is probably due to the number of parts that are uniquely GG, making it very difficult to copy, and less profitable for the grunts trying to cash in. Imeo makes his imitators work for their ill gains. Why bother with GG when there's ezier designs? Any thing GG is uniquely Imeos design piece by individual piece. Making each device worthy of the wings they wear.


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But they are not complaining about them being ripped off. i have been watching and reading here since 2010 and i seldom post but I am always reading about him being copied. I am aware that others are being copied as well but when you have a void such as the one created by not having something in stock for months and moths at a time then you cannot blame an enterprising young chinese man stepping in and making similar product to make money.

Before you guys get all .... hurt i want to point out that I have owned a few GGs and have another on the way but i am merely pointing out an area that could use a little more thought, i always feel that constructive criticism can go a long way in growing oneself and ones business.
 

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I know what you're saying Poppa but I don't know if it's so easy for Imeo to expand without losing quality control. Anyone that owns a GG product knows that quality if very important to him. We don't know what kind of business hurdles he has in terms of production. I think if he could make more while still maintaining his standards then he would. I mean why wouldn't he.
 

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I know what you're saying Poppa but I don't know if it's so easy for Imeo to expand without losing quality control. Anyone that owns a GG product knows that quality if very important to him. We don't know what kind of business hurdles he has in terms of production. I think if he could make more while still maintaining his standards then he would. I mean why wouldn't he.

I do not have an answer for thast but why would you discontinue the Odysseus when its replacement is so far off into the future?

It is possible to sell the Ithaca and Odysseus side by side kinda like Ford sold the Taurus and the Mercury Sable at the same time also applies to the Chevy Camaro and the Pontiac Firebird both the same thing both had slightly different features and so on and so on.........
 

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I do not have an answer for thast but why would you discontinue the Odysseus when its replacement is so far off into the future?

I don't know how machining works, and I'll be more than glad to admit that. Is it possible that he can't run the odysseus parts at the same time he's running other parts? Right now he's producing stealth, TB, and Iatty parts. Maybe it's just not possible to run all that and the Odysseus parts too with the number of machines he has? If so, then even if he wanted to run Odysseus it might not be possible to do until this production run is through. By that time he's ready to start Ithaka. Just me guessing. :)
 

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Torque, I am thinking a group hug is wonderful idea. :)

I am in very huggy mood right now. Major has just made a post in his thread. :)

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I think we need a group hug or something.

Here's the bottom line in my opinion. Imeo is the only guy in the market developing new vaping stuff. If we buy knock offs, eventually he'll get tired of the competition and we'll be left with Chinese crap. I hate Chinese crap! Poor material, bad machining tolerences, marginal performance.


I was going to buy 2 Ithaka's but after reading this post, put me down for 6.
 

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I get the feeling that Imeo doesn't do this for the business aspect but for the creation and interaction he gets here. Yes it's a product but it's much more than just that to him. It's the process, kind of like an artist, they for what ever reason are DRIVEN to create. It just so happens that Imeo creates useful things. And he is driven to keep revising or completely change directions to make those things beautiful and even more useful than before.
Yes the lack of product availability is what opens the doors for thugs but nothing will stop them no matter how many units you create. All kinds of mass produced products are being Directly copied in China.
No, GG is not the store down the street...but I've come to not only accept it but feel like it adds to the appeal of it. Especially if you look at it from an ecig historical perspective. Specifically, the history/evolution of Imeo's creations is a HUGE part of the GG ride, at least for me...and I'm just beginning the ride.

me too, River and it is a nice ride. :)

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You miss the point, the void he creates with lack of product over his making new stuff is what allows the knock offs. They see that there is a dollar to be made in his products absence and shoot for it.

The CNC shop has the specs to mill the parts it is merely a phone call to start a new run while in the mean time he develops new stuff.

Well I feel you ..we all want to be able to go and click ADD and there it is a few days later on our door step .. But reality is not that and for many reasons that you , me and others have to except!
GG is on a league on its own IMO and like river said " it's a piece of art from an artist" and I happend to know what that means.
Now about the short availability that gives way to copies , well I don't agree with you and and I tell you WHY.
We all know that the DID is a great genesis atty and is available for almost everyone who wants it's , right!!
But still has been copied "
And it was the FIRST ONE to be copied... So sry but that throws you theory out the window.

Ps: how it doesn't hurt no one on its way down ;)
 

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I think we need a group hug or something.

Here's the bottom line in my opinion. Imeo is the only guy in the market developing new vaping stuff. If we buy knock offs, eventually he'll get tired of the competition and we'll be left with Chinese crap. I hate Chinese crap! Poor material, bad machining tolerences, marginal performance.


I was going to buy 2 Ithaka's but after reading this post, put me down for 6.


Nobody here is inviting to by chinese copies.
I would have liked to have an Odysseus, I won't get one (and no, for 150 € people can keep it), but I won't buy this chinese copy, that's for sure. And this is why I got a Penelope, I'm pretty happy now and can wai, but what if someone struggles to have a GG item? Wait months?
Ok.
Why?
I already wrote somewhere else, that in my town I just can walk into a shop and buy very good products made by an italian modder (and I will not repeat the products' name here, they were already quickly censored in the oher post, though I wasn't honored with an anwser - it appears here one cannot write what he wants, hu?); the same should apply with GG products, the quality is that good, that GG could sell way more than it does now.
Of course copies will always be produced:

I think the knockoffs occur due to popularity more so than availability. If not, then why bother to knockoff a Provari? You can always pick up one of them at ProVape, yet they've been knocked off too. There are always going to be those consumers looking to save a buck or two and quite willing to have less quality for less money. Or probably, not even realizing that they're getting a lesser product. That's the target market for the Chinese.

True. But I, as a customer, still have a choice between the original and the copy. And believe me, I own a Provari, not a vmax, zmax, ....ing lavatube or whatelse.
The same with this nautilus: 69-79 € for the copy, 90 € for the original. Oh, come on, what are we talking about? This copy has a potential market for only one reason: impossibility to buy the original. That's that simple. 10 € difference? to save 10 € one would buy this thing?
Oh, come on...



You have far more demand than product and you wonder why you get copied?

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I for one hate waiting months and months on parts or devices to come available. I hate that devices and items you make get shelved for something that is not even available yet.

I do love your work but you make it hard on some people by chasing shooting stars while the rest of us wait for your return.

Maybe you need to rethink the line "I only care for my customers." You do have good customer service but you do lack in the supplying the demand department.

And IMO if you decide not to honor your warranty any more I feel more people would not buy the GG products at the current price.

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You miss the point, the void he creates with lack of product over his making new stuff is what allows the knock offs. They see that there is a dollar to be made in his products absence and shoot for it.

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Of course than, I do not know which difficulties could arise from a larger production, I'm not an expert, but as said before i have an example with products in Italy, namely ****, ******* and ***** by ****§§, which are always available in the shop. (already censored, no reason to bother here)
 
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Imeo, keep making your GG stuff! Ignore as best you can the copies.

To run a larger production is a logistics and capability issue. If Imeo could produce this in larger qty's he would.

I live near ProVape, they have a couple machine shops dedicated to running Provaris 24/7 and can barely keep up with demand. Their product base is greatly smaller than Imeo's, so imagine what it would take.

Even if Imeo could produce 1000 Ody's a month, that would not dent the demand. The more that come out the more others will discover and want.

If I buy a Ferrari made by Ford, it is not the same. Those that buy a copy only get a COPY. That is their loss. I choose to be patient and get the REAL thing. Simply as that.

Imeo keep up the good work, we GG fans support you!!!


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I do not have an answer for thast but why would you discontinue the Odysseus when its replacement is so far off into the future?

It is possible to sell the Ithaca and Odysseus side by side kinda like Ford sold the Taurus and the Mercury Sable at the same time also applies to the Chevy Camaro and the Pontiac Firebird both the same thing both had slightly different features and so on and so on.........


Yes but you can't expect ford to make an exact 1960 car just cos people want it ....ford had made much more cars that are advanced then a 1960 model now .... So either you buy a car from a collector /seller That cost twice as much or buy a poster an stick it on a wall!!

What I mean is Imeo made his attys and yes there is a huge demand but he is always innovating his products and can't go back but only forward .
We have to be very greatful towards what Imeo those when he gives other runs of his products like the iatty ! After he had re-engineered it with a huge success with the oddy & penny.
But maybe people miss this and don't see it!
 
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And this is why I got a Penelope, I'm pretty happy now and can wai, but what if someone struggles to have a GG item? Wait months?
Ok.
Why?

What's wrong with waiting months for something you really want? It's not like there aren't any other PVs out there that will keep you off cigarettes while you wait.
 

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What's wrong with waiting months for something you really want? It's not like there aren't any other PVs out there that will keep you off cigarettes while you wait.


Exactly 100% agree ...That was a PIONT I tryed to make earlier ... I got a penny from the classes and now I can wait for Imeo to make runs of his magical vaping machines !!
If I didn't want to buy from the classes , I could have stayed vaping other available attys till the RUNS begin.

Simple as that.... So the points these are trying to make here are useless for us!!

Or they are simply trolling
 

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Exactly 100% agree ...That was a PIONT I tryed to make earlier ... I got a penny from the classes and now I can wait for Imeo to make runs of his magical vaping machines !!
If I didn't want to buy from the classes , I could have stayed vaping other available attys till the RUNS begin.

Simple as that.... So the points these are trying to make here are useless for us!!

Or they are simply trolling

While they may be useless they are valid point from other with valid points of view. I am not condemning Imeo or his products, i have some of his products and love them but I am merely pointing out an area that might could use some attention to help close the gap on people copying him. Trust me when I say this because I have seen it over and over and over copies will be made but if you can get the real thing without having to wait months for it then the copies usually die away. Of course they will be there just not as prevalent.

This statement is to everybody, Please do not get .... hurt because we have conflicting points of view. Life is too short already.
 

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A person that wants to buy something that he likes doesnt make an unfriedly post on manufacturer's forum and of course not an unfriendly first post. Dont you agree?
Of course. I don´t mind explaining it though it could be considered a personal question and I don´t think has nothing to do with all this discussion.
I stopped smoking an started vaping at the end of 2009. I remember that in that time vaping stuff was terrible and vaping was very difficult. I´m talking about a time where we only had attos, not even cartos and we had to buy everything in China. When I began vaping I read a lot of forums also this one. I registered and I supposed I asked some questions but I used to write in a different forum in my country. On a few months, unfortunately, I came back to tobacco and I stopped vaping.
I came back to vaping not very long ago and I entered this GG forum because I was interested in buying a GG Penelope (I told it in my first message) and a read somebody in my country forum talking about Nautilus and making reference to this forum. I have written a lo of messages because this discussion have been interesting and strange for me, that´s all
Nothing strange of other kind.
 
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