OFFICIAL AvidVaper.com HH.357 discussion thread

[unsure]

So far nothing but love from all the posters which is a great sign. I came sooooooooo close to pulling the trigger then backed off and ordered my usual 2 1.5Ω Cisco 510s. Maybe the next batch.

 

[Cisco]

First of all, the product demonstration in the following video is the reason why the concept of the HH.357 atty initially appealed to me. My vaping habits have evolved over the past year and a half. While I used to find pleasure in talking long, flavorful drags with penstyle atties, I've grown to find more satisfaction vaping with 306 atties which offer greater TH while taking shorter drags, even if at the slight expense of flavor. The HH.357 appeared like it could fit my current vaping arsenal for my 3.7V needs, so I gave it a shot.




Well, my initial impression after using it for about the first hour on Monday afternoon was not so stellar. The atty was not bad but it was certainly not as great as I hoped it would be, especially considering its current price tag. The vapor production was just OK even with four-second drags, the TH was pretty mild even with a fully charged AW 18650 2600mah battery, and the flavor was so so. It felt like this atty wanted to give more but just couldn't. Since many atties require even a full day to break in, I kept on using it in hopes of noticing some improvement eventually.

By the late afternoon, this atty started developing a rather pleasing personality. Vapor production increase was significant as was the TH but the flavor still had a certain undertone which I didn't care for. By the late evening, after a little over 3ml of juice, the vapor production seemed to hit the full throttle. TH became pretty solid but not as "reckless" as I prefer. After blowing it out in the morning and repriming it, I kept on using this atty exclusively all day yesterday (Tue) and it really kept on improving more and more throughout the day.

I believe that by today it's operating at or close to it's maximum potential and I'm very pleased with what it has to offer. Vapor production is pretty insane even with very short drags, TH is fantastic with fully charged batteries down to about 3.9V unloaded, and after about 11ml of juice the flavor is just awesome and pure. That initial "weird" flavor undertone has simply disappeared. Maybe the atty just needed to cycle through enough juice, I don't know... Bottom line is that this atty is rocking my world on a 3.7V MOD right now and I'm very impressed!

So, the million dollar question is whether the HH.357 atty is worth $22 or not. I don't know if I have the answer to that question yet, I believe that only time will tell. Here are at least my thoughts. This atty has such a beautiful draw, the best draw from any atty I've ever tried, and I've tried a few. The draw is simply perfect and I don't think it could be any better. Many atties, especially 510s, stiffen up after a few weeks and the draw becomes tight. If this atty still has the same draw three or more months from now, well, that's worth something IMO. If this atty needs to be replaced in 4-6 weeks from now due to a dramatic drop in performance, I will choose to discontinue using it. But if it ends up providing three or more months of solid consistent performance that I'm getting from it right now, I will be very happy about my decision for purchasing it.

It is important to understand that there is a slight learning curve even for experienced vapers. While with regular 510 and 306 atties the gurgle sound usually indicates a flooded or semi-flooded atty, that same initial gurgle sound from the HH atty actually lets you know that you have added a proper amount of juice in the atty, as stated by Hanna. No split-second gurgle pretty much guarantees a dry hit. Now that I got used to it, I think it's a nice feature for those of us who can be forgetful at times.

The reason for this post is not to suggest to anyone to try or not to try this atty. I simply wanted to share my experience for anyone who is about to step into the HH world and shares similar vaping habits as I do. I really suggest following Hanna's directions and having patience to learn how to use this atty properly in order to fully enjoy its benefits. Thanks.

Excellent write up

Thanks Vaporologist

Cisco...

 

[Cisco]

ok got 2 of these yesterday. used it for a couple of hours last night and pretty much all morning today. Mine only crackled and popped for the first few times then went into smooth mode. so far i am extremely impressed with its performance. Flavor and TH are fantastic and the vapor even exceeds as it appears to me the LR306. as others have stated it does go thru alot of juice. i guess the only question will be longevity. if i can get a good 4-6 months out of this its definately worth the price. going to use it for a bit and then make a video on it. in conclusion for now its #winning!

Glad you like it Dimitris, let us know how it performs over the next few weeks/months.

Cisco...

 

[H_Bomb]

vaporologist. awesome. real thorough review

 

[Vaporologist]

Thank you all. One thing I forgot to mention is leakage, or really the lack of. This atty has simply not leaked when used as directed. I've been adding two drops every time it needs more juice and it works flawlessly. But, earlier today my phone rang right after I added a couple of drops and I placed the PV to the side. After the phone call I added two more drops (total of 4), temporarily not realizing that I previously already added two drops. When I attempted vaping, the atty gurgled quite more than usual for about 2-3 drags but it didn't leak at all. I imagine that it could have leaked with another drop or two but I don't want to find out, I like being able to say that it has never leaked Right now I'm topping it off with three drops instead of two and I think I like it better that way.

I would like to try this atty in a higher ohm configuration. I attempted using it on a ProVari briefly but was not able to take it past 3.9V due to the 2.5A cutoff. I'm curious what kind of TH it could provide with an additional 1W it could pump out with higher ohm at a higher voltage.

Anyways, thanks for a killer atty! Great job!

 

[nocturn4l3030]

in your video when you primed it with 6 drops, you got a constant gurgle, everytime you pulled, it gurgled. i find that it's only gurgling on the first pull, then won't gurgle anymore when i pull on it. so i kept dropping 2 drops, same thing, another 2 drops same thing. then i think i flooded it because it started leaking.

am i supposed to get a gurgle everytime i pull? because i'm not getting that

and when is the vapor production supposed to pick up? i'm literally not getting anything near the vapor you guys are.. and i've been using this for 2 days now.. not the whole day but at least 5 full hours into it

getting seriously frustrated with these. i have two of them too.

 

[Vaporologist]

in your video when you primed it with 6 drops, you got a constant gurgle, everytime you pulled, it gurgled. i find that it's only gurgling on the first pull, then won't gurgle anymore when i pull on it. so i kept dropping 2 drops, same thing, another 2 drops same thing. then i think i flooded it because it started leaking.

am i supposed to get a gurgle everytime i pull? because i'm not getting that

and when is the vapor production supposed to pick up? i'm literally not getting anything near the vapor you guys are.. and i've been using this for 2 days now.. not the whole day but at least 5 full hours into it

I'm sure Hanna will chime in but from my experience, the gurgle happens for a split second at the beginning of every pull, with enough liquid in the atty. You don't want it to gurgle for the duration of the whole pull or drag since the only way that could happen imo is if the atty is flooded. Do you get a split-second gurgle when you cold-pull without pressing the button? If so, you have added enough liquid to vape away...

Three things that could get in the way of maximum vapor production:

1. Broken seal caused by the center post being pushed up too much resulting in the leakage
2. Too much liquid, flooded atty
3. Not enough liquid, dry atty

Could any of these be relevant to your situation?

 

[nocturn4l3030]

I'm sure Hanna will chime in but from my experience, the gurgle happens for a split second at the beginning of every pull, with enough liquid in the atty. You don't want it to gurgle for the duration of the whole pull or drag since the only way that could happen imo is if the atty is flooded. Do you get a split-second gurgle when you cold-pull without pressing the button? If so, you have added enough liquid to vape away...

ya okay, that's what i wasn't sure about, i do get a gurgle the first dry pull, but no more gurgling after the next few dry pulls. but in the video when he put the atomizer near the mic, he was getting gurgles on every dry pull

 

[nocturn4l3030]

Three things that could get in the way of maximum vapor production:

1. Broken seal by the center post being pushed up too much
2. Too much liquid, flooded atty
3. Not enough liquid, dry atty

Could any of these be relevant to your situation?

i duno if it's 2 and 3.. but to make sure, i've been vaping it all the way from it being flooded all the way until i get a dry hit just to double check.. so maybe the seal is broken.. on both? it has leaked before.. duno if it's by flooding though

gonna give this one more day. i really really wanted to like these atomizers.. but i find myself forcing myself to use these atomizers just so it'll "break in".. but it's not. and i've used 306's, 510's, 901's with no problem.

 

[nocturn4l3030]

so are you getting a gurgle just on the first dry pull and none of the rest? or are you getting gurgles on all the dry pulls like in HH's video?

EDIT: ya okay this one is definitely leaking.. HH can i contact you about this one? which is a relief.. at least i know it's not "me". gonna try the other one now

 

[Vaporologist]

so are you getting a gurgle just on the first dry pull and none of the rest? or are you getting gurgles on all the dry pulls like in HH's video?

It depends on the volume of juice in the atty. When it's running semi-dry, I will get a quick gurgle on the first pull and won't get another one unless I let it rest for a couple of seconds. But when I add two or three drops, I get the gurgle/crackle in the beginning of every consecutive pull.

 

[nocturn4l3030]

It depends on the volume of juice in the atty. When it's running semi-dry, I will get a quick gurgle on the first pull and won't get another one unless I let it rest for a couple of seconds. But when I add two or three drops, I get the gurgle/crackle in the beginning of every consecutive pull.

ah k thx for the info, i'm definitely not getting the gurgles in the consecutive pulls no matter what... HH is this the sign of a broken seal?

 

[nocturn4l3030]

something im finding is this thing does not like my Pink Spot...which is what i'm used to vaping all day. it performs pretty "eh" with it..which is a pretty thin juice.. duno the ratio. for the first time i tried a different juice (bounty hunter 30% vg) and it's performing better. the other one is still leaking though

 

[H_Bomb]

ah k thx for the info, i'm definitely not getting the gurgles in the consecutive pulls no matter what... HH is this the sign of a broken seal?

Vaporologist is absolutly right on his explaination. Just in the beginning on each pull unless full then somtimes throughout the length of the pull depending on liquid. If your using an all vg juice it can be tricky. Sounds like you definately could have a seal issue so shoot me a PM.

glad people are stating their issues on here. helps others identify and work through problems.

 

[nocturn4l3030]

hey guys, going to reiterate something i stated previously which I confirmed with the H-Bomb; on some juices.. for me which is Pink Spot.. the atomizer doesn't perform particularly well. leaks and spitting juice in the mouth and crappy vapor

H-Bomb told me that this happens with juice that's particularly high in flavoring and water... and the water causes the coil to cool and will diminish the vapor. so to fix that you have to add some VG

so all the frustration in my previous posts have been because of this...NOW that i've been using a different juice.. it's working very very well.

thx to the H-Bomb for the support

 

[thedudeabides]

Hey Hanna and Cisco, very interested in trying out this atomizer with a GG UFS. The UFS pulls a majority of it's liquid through the two holes on the top of the 510 thread and into the atomizer via suction, the rest through the center post. do you know if the open post version will include the side air holes just above the 510 threading?

 

[H_Bomb]

hey guys, going to reiterate something i stated previously which I confirmed with the H-Bomb; on some juices.. for me which is Pink Spot.. the atomizer doesn't perform particularly well. leaks and spitting juice in the mouth and crappy vapor

H-Bomb told me that this happens with juice that's particularly high in flavoring and water... and the water causes the coil to cool and will diminish the vapor. so to fix that you have to add some VG

so all the frustration in my previous posts have been because of this...NOW that i've been using a different juice.. it's working very very well.

thx to the H-Bomb for the support

To go into detail with out detail:

Put a drop of water on a stove top on low, it sizzles.
Drop of water on stovetop glowing red, it spits and pops. the faster molecules heat up the more violently they move

The 357 was made to enhance the cisco 306 coil (which is awesome cisco ) the coil in a 357 gets hotter than a cisco 306 normally would in a 306 atomizer but the juice flow is also enhanced to keep up. high water content in the juice has an effect like that drop of water on the glowing stove top, molecules start moving fast, quickly, resulting in spitting. At the same time, the water cools the coil. Now there is a cooler coil with added juice flow, cooling the coil more, which results in less vapor.

hope this makes sense.

 

[Cisco]

Hey Hanna and Cisco, very interested in trying out this atomizer with a GG UFS. The UFS pulls a majority of it's liquid through the two holes on the top of the 510 thread and into the atomizer via suction, the rest through the center post. do you know if the open post version will include the side air holes just above the 510 threading?

Yes, the connectors on the 357's will have an open center post along with the two air holes just above the threading

Cisco...

 

[Cisco]

hey guys, going to reiterate something i stated previously which I confirmed with the H-Bomb; on some juices.. for me which is Pink Spot.. the atomizer doesn't perform particularly well. leaks and spitting juice in the mouth and crappy vapor

H-Bomb told me that this happens with juice that's particularly high in flavoring and water... and the water causes the coil to cool and will diminish the vapor. so to fix that you have to add some VG

so all the frustration in my previous posts have been because of this...NOW that i've been using a different juice.. it's working very very well.

thx to the H-Bomb for the support

Nice to see you got it worked out Nocturn. You can cut your thicker juices down with some ethanol, shouldn't take much at all.

Cisco...

 

[laurel099]

Well it is really official.... I am over my addiction to the Cisco 306 crack... My newest addiction.... the HH 357 crack! Oh my stars!! Yeah there is a learning curve and a break in period but once you pass that - the thing is just golden!!!! I think the break in period is a bit longer than other attys I've tried...and I've tried A LOT rofl!!!

I have two and broke them both in now. They are performing spectacularly. I am so smitten

If you have one and aren't singing praise just yet I'd encourage you to stick with it until you get them broken in. These attys are absolutely divine IMHO. More 357's please