Official ProVari Radius Thread - Part 2

[ScandaLeX]

It is not about who "wins". You have every right to voice your criticisms on something you paid good money for and that you are not satisfied with. I think some of us are just saying perhaps you could have done more research on the Radius that would have made you aware of the design choices ProVape chose.

All of you who say this have got to be kidding me. The name ProVape is legendary enough that just the thought fo a quality device will have people ready to buy without having to research first. Every time someone says they're not happy with the damn thing, folks are quick to blame the buyer for not having done enough before purchase.

The Radius clearly doesnt work for you. And that is ok. You do not have to like it. However there quite a few who love this little device like myself. So to sit there and say how no one likes certain aspects of the design is not being fair because some of us do. Maybe you will like your replacement and if you dont I bet you will have no trouble selling it for something else.

And while you acknowledge you & others like the Radius as is, please know there are people who don't. It's easy to say "it's ok if they dont like it".....but why jump on them because they don't. That would mean it's not ok they dont like it.

I am another who doesn't like the whole battery thing but I am not going to tell someone that along with their $200 purchase they should've bought something else to use while the battery in the Radius is charging. Hell, that even sounds ridiculous as I type this.

 

[Garibaldi]

All of you who say this have got to be kidding me. The name ProVape is legendary enough that just the thought fo a quality device will have people ready to buy without having to research first. Every time someone says they're not happy with the damn thing, folks are quick to blame the buyer for not having done enough before purchase.

And while you acknowledge you & others like the Radius as is, please know there are people who don't. It's easy to say "it's ok if they dont like it".....but why jump on them because they don't. That would mean it's not ok they dont like it.

I am another who doesn't like the whole battery thing but I am not going to tell someone that along with their $200 purchase they should've bought something else to use while the battery in the Radius is charging. Hell, that even sounds ridiculous as I type this.

All I was saying is the person said they didnt watch or read any reviews. It might have been helpful had that been done so they wouldnt be upset about the battery door. I mean some people do not like the battery door. Some have said in this thread its no problem. That is all I was saying.

EDITED TO ADD: also when I mentioned in an earlier reply why I liked what I liked I was dismissed. I dont get that. Its like if we dont all have the same opinion someone is wrong. So for whoever got bugged over my comments I apologize. That sure wasnt the intention.

 

[h00ligan]

All of you who say this have got to be kidding me. The name ProVape is legendary enough that just the thought fo a quality device will have people ready to buy without having to research first. Every time someone says they're not happy with the damn thing, folks are quick to blame the buyer for not having done enough before purchase.

And while you acknowledge you & others like the Radius as is, please know there are people who don't. It's easy to say "it's ok if they dont like it".....but why jump on them because they don't. That would mean it's not ok they dont like it.

I am another who doesn't like the whole battery thing but I am not going to tell someone that along with their $200 purchase they should've bought something else to use while the battery in the Radius is charging. Hell, that even sounds ridiculous as I type this.

Changing the battery takes about one minute to a freshly charge. I don't see he issue. They opted for more security of connection due to the spring. It's less of a pain than changing a camera bottom plate which is where the idea came from in sure. Why charge it on the wire change the battery. Perfectly user changeable and I don't know about you but a lot communed idea with magnetic doors and quick changing have a tendency to tear he battery wraps. It's becoming s if problem. So I really can't fault this especially given the tensed spring. I just can't imagine where a 1 minute battery change even makes a con list let alone a deal breaker. Magnetic doors have not been around that long and I'll take this design and the way the engineered the connection over most of my other mods.


It takes me three or four times as long to change batteries in my yihi m class's mini that does not have the third party cap. I have to find s coin first too. In an age where paper money at least for me is super rare.

At the end. The stuff provape does elk they do better than anyone. And so far the only other customer support I've encountered Inc doing that can stand with provape is GP. both a big rarity B their support is amazing. And their boost setting is too. And the power delivery.


Prices are high. Vapocalypse coming I want at least three provape devices in hand just in case all my Chinese made mods with super power chips that don't work that great die due to mass construction at he hands of small people with few years on them.


Also made in the USA if you're American should matter. I'm not even a citizen and it matters to me. Maybe hats because we chose to live here.

 

[Yonjuro]

FWIW, takes me around 30 seconds to change out the battery, I never used to do it due to the many reviewing the battery door as a con - I just assumed it was a pain in the .....

I found it took me about a minute before, but like anything - after you have done it once it becomes super easy.

I actually find that I am using the Radius more and more now that I have a spare battery charged at all times and it is so easy (for me) to change out.

I can see that it might be a pain for people with very long thumb nails though, and can imagine the swearing if one broke while changing out a battery

So for those people with only one device, I would recommend you just always keep a spare battery charged and if you run very low before bed time, just swap it out. If you still have life in the Radius upon bed, just chuck it on charge. Simples

It's really pretty simple, considering that we change coils and fill our tanks which, generally speaking, are more fiddly and take more time than the Radius battery door.

Anyway... these are just my thoughts on it and I respect everyones right to view it differently.

 

[AAGF]

Wow - talk about First World problems ...

 

[Garibaldi]

On a different note I pulled out my old P3 Nautilus tank today. Was my very first tank I owned (as was the P3). On my Radius I have used the Kabuki and Nautilus X. My old P3 Nautilus is great. Works like a champ. Luckily when I bought it I got a second one thats still new in the box. I wish I could still find these.

Yeah its bottom fill but so is the Kabuki. Actually looks really good on the Radius and have been using it the last few days.

 

[APF]

On a different note I pulled out my old P3 Nautilus tank today. Was my very first tank I owned (as was the P3). On my Radius I have used the Kabuki and Nautilus X. My old P3 Nautilus is great. Works like a champ. Luckily when I bought it I got a second one thats still new in the box. I wish I could still find these.

Yeah its bottom fill but so is the Kabuki. Actually looks really good on the Radius and have been using it the last few days.

How did that Nautilus X work for you, GB? I just picked up a Nautilus X with the 4ml extension.

 

[Garibaldi]

How did that Nautilus X work for you, GB? I just picked up a Nautilus X with the 4ml extension.

It has worked pretty well. Now in my case it has really depended on what juice I am vaping. I have had a few juices that were terribly muted in flavor but I dont know if that was more to the VG/PG ratio being higher than the other juices that have been great.

I vape the X at about 12 watts and its been working out well once I settled on juices. I did notice when using a new coil it takes a few draws to really get the coil broken in. I have heard mixed opinions. For me I am enjoying the X. I need to try the 4 ml extension.

 

[APF]

It has worked pretty well. Now in my case it has really depended on what juice I am vaping. I have had a few juices that were terribly muted in flavor but I dont know if that was more to the VG/PG ratio being higher than the other juices that have been great.

I vape the X at about 12 watts and its been working out well once I settled on juices. I did notice when using a new coil it takes a few draws to really get the coil broken in. I have heard mixed opinions. For me I am enjoying the X. I need to try the 4 ml extension.

Thanks. I am going to try one out later today and I'll post back.

 

[Garibaldi]

Thanks. I am going to try one out later today and I'll post back.

Good luck and look forward to hearing your opinion on it!

 

[APF]

I just got this Nautilus X along with the 4ml adapter (installed). My initial reaction is how well it matches my Onyx Radius, it almost looks like it was made for it. At first I had some difficulty separating the 2ml glass from the base, but with the judicious use of fingernails, I was finally victorius.

My Radius says that I am using a 1.5 Ohm coil, which is spot on and so I set the beginning Wattage at 14 Watts until I feel the coil has broken in. The tank is dead simple to fill, just spin off the top plate and pour away, quick and easy. Getting to the air control, there is a major advantage of the X over the old Nautilus. The X has a more precise ability to adjust the draw, as it is infinitely variable, unlike the finite selection of holes in the old Nautilus. I was quickly able to adjust the draw just the way I like it. Downside? You will have to adjust the draw every time you fill the tank, because you will knock it out of adjustment.

As Garibaldi mentioned earlier, the taste is slightly muted compared to an old Nautilus running at 8.5 Watts, but the more I use the X, the more the flavor increases. I will wait to see if the tank leaks as the coil ages, as frequently happens to me with the original Nautilus.

So, would I buy the X over a Kubuki? Not just no, but hell no! Would I buy an X over the original Nautilus? No. In fact I just took delivery of another four original Nautilus tanks. The new Nautilus X is not a bad tank per se, it just doesn't have enough features and attractions to knock me off my old Nautilus/Kabuki perch. And that's all I have to say about that.

 

[Garibaldi]

I just got this Nautilus X along with the 4ml adapter (installed). My initial reaction is how well it matches my Onyx Radius, it almost looks like it was made for it. At first I had some difficulty separating the 2ml glass from the base, but with the judicious use of fingernails, I was finally victorius.

My Radius says that I am using a 1.5 Ohm coil, which is spot on and so I set the beginning Wattage at 14 Watts until I feel the coil has broken in. The tank is dead simple to fill, just spin off the top plate and pour away, quick and easy. Getting to the air control, there is a major advantage of the X over the old Nautilus. The X has a more precise ability to adjust the draw, as it is infinitely variable, unlike the finite selection of holes in the old Nautilus. I was quickly able to adjust the draw just the way I like it. Downside? You will have to adjust the draw every time you fill the tank, because you will knock it out of adjustment.

As Garibaldi mentioned earlier, the taste is slightly muted compared to an old Nautilus running at 8.5 Watts, but the more I use the X, the more the flavor increases. I will wait to see if the tank leaks as the coil ages, as frequently happens to me with the original Nautilus.

So, would I buy the X over a Kubuki? Not just no, but hell no! Would I buy an X over the original Nautilus? No. In fact I just took delivery of another four original Nautilus tanks. The new Nautilus X is not a bad tank per se, it just doesn't have enough features and attractions to knock me off my old Nautilus/Kabuki perch. And that's all I have to say about that.

Great pic. Yeah thats a good point. Every time I fill my Nautilus X I have to adjust the airflow again. Not a big deal but does get annoying. I prefer the flavor from my original P3 Nautilus to the X as well and it doesn't compare to the Kabuki.

I still like the Nautilus X but I had some juices that just didnt work well at all. Good report and thanks for sharing.


edited to add:
I am not for sure but I would bet the new coil design on the Nautilus X diminishes the flavor over the regular Nautilus coil.

 

[APF]

Great pic. Yeah thats a good point. Every time I fill my Nautilus X I have to adjust the airflow again. Not a big deal but does get annoying. I prefer the flavor from my original P3 Nautilus to the X as well and it doesn't compare to the Kabuki.

I still like the Nautilus X but I had some juices that just didnt work well at all. Good report and thanks for sharing.


edited to add:
I am not for sure but I would bet the new coil design on the Nautilus X diminishes the flavor over the regular Nautilus coil.

You may very well be correct, GB. I am going to give it some time to work itself in. One other thing I did notice from the start is that it gives a very satisfying MTL hit.

 

[Garibaldi]

You may very well be correct, GB. I am going to give it some time to work itself in. One other thing I did notice from the start is that it gives a very satisfying MTL hit.

I wish Aspire didnt stop making the P3 Nautilus. Amazing MTL on that and had a tighter airflow than the Nautilus X. Overall I love the X but I think they need to tweak the coil. The coil is a great design and it does work but I wonder if because the vapor has to travel through extra channels that is what causes me to get muted flavor with certain juice.

 

[Garibaldi]

APF, so I decided to take my Nautilus X and my Kabuki (standard Nautilus BVC coil) on my Radius and fill them both with the same juice from the same bottle I chose at random (I Love Cookies which is 60/40 0mg nic). The Kabuki I run anywhere between 12-14 watts and the Nautilus X at around 14-15 watts. Both have new coils. Here is my basic comparison using the same juice. I know taste is always subjective for everyone but here is what I noticed.

The Nautilus X: Good MTL so no issues there. On flavor I definitely notice its muted. I get more bitterness in taste vs. which the Kabuki doesn't have. The best way I can describe it is a "flat' taste on the X. Love the top fill and the tank/coil design is a neat idea on the Nautilus X but I think that is really the cause that makes the flavor suffer. And if the flavor sucks...well that's not good. I have a few other juices that I use in the X that are great so for that its fine but its hit and miss and I don't think many folks are going to want to waste juice trying to find a specific juice that works. Also not a huge fan of the drip tip but that's a bit off topic.

The Kabuki: Good MTL as well. The vapor production is also better. The flavor is so much better on the Kabuki. I notice I get more of the sweetness with none of the bitterness I would sometimes get from the Nautilus X. The flavor is more smooth too if that makes sense. I know on the Kabuki I am getting a much more pure flavor. These tanks just really do not compare. No matter what juice I use in the Kabuki (with the exception of some high VG stuff) the flavor is always great. I got a much more 'rich' flavor using the Kabuki.

So that is what I found but I am not surprised. I didn't expect the Nautilus X to compete with the Kabuki but wanted to see the difference side by side. if you get a good juice in the Nautilus X then you are good. But I think that is going to be random luck. For more complex flavor profiles I will stick with the Kabuki for sure.

Both tanks look good on the Radius but I like the Kabuki a lot more. I will try and see if I can find a Nautilus Mini to have but I wont buy another Nautilus X. I wonder if they can redesign the X coil to work in existing Nautilus X tanks to improve the flavor.

 

[Jim-]

The situation where I'd like (but don't expect) the Radius to last a full day, I'm in a semi-public space, with management that doesn't want me vaping in there. So in this situation, I'm vaping periodically and discretely, not all that much.

In lieu of the battery lasting all day, which I don't expect it to, I'd like to be able to easily change the battery, like nearly every single other replaceable battery 18650 device on the market (at least that I've come across).

I timed myself, and it took me 15.94 seconds to change the battery on my classic Ti, you're not going to come close to that with the Radius. This was with fumbling the cap while removing it, and missing my first shot at the threads closing it up (it's been a while), and it didn't take a five finger death grip to pull it off. If I were to drop the cap in public, I wouldn't be too worried about it getting lost, unlike the two small fiddly screws of the Radius.

So it just took me 59.41 seconds to change the battery on the Radius. It took about 17-19 seconds just to get the screws out. This was starting with the tank removed, so I wouldn't have to worry about firing off the device with the tank upside down while removing the battery, which regularly happens even while mindfully applying the five finger death grip that is necessary.

This is not progress, this is not good design.

They have a battery cap that works on their other devices, and is the same size as the Radius body, would it have been so hard to incorporate it into the Radius?

It's great other's have been able to justify their purchase and make it work for them. Every one of these workarounds involves some form of accommodating a poor design. At the price point of the Radius, I'm not looking for a kludge.

It's one thing to be known as a maker of conservative devices, it's another thing to produce a product whose niche is for people that want a ~$250 secondary or part time device.

Wow. A whole 59 seconds ripped from your day to change out a battery? Oh the humanity!


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[schismz]

APF, so I decided to take my Nautilus X and my Kabuki (standard Nautilus BVC coil) on my Radius and fill them both with the same juice from the same bottle I chose at random (I Love Cookies which is 60/40 0mg nic). The Kabuki I run anywhere between 12-14 watts and the Nautilus X at around 14-15 watts. Both have new coils. Here is my basic comparison using the same juice. I know taste is always subjective for everyone but here is what I noticed.

Hi Garibaldi, maybe I have the wrong name, but i think you mentioned you have 12 ProVaris + and you're vaping 0mg? I'm just curious, you like vaping that much just for the sake of vaping? I've gone from 36mg/ml on really awful blu ecigs in 2009, down to 3mg when i chain-vape while working, or 6mg when I just stop every so often to take a few hits and then set it down. I like nicotine and have really no plans on ever quitting it, anymore than caffeine, but I'm not sure I'd keep vaping if I hit 0mg.

Did you taper down to 0 and just keep going and that works for you, or?

 

[jwbnyc]

The action of vaping is just as important as the nicotine, if not more so. IMO.

 

[jwbnyc]

Anybody have this glitch?

I go to put a Ti Kabuki on my first batch Radius (updated to 26) and sometimes the screen lights up even though the buttons have not been pressed, when the atty touches the P3 connection, before it is screwed down, and when I get it screwed on the Radius has switched from Auto to Manual without me having done anything else.

 

[APF]

APF, so I decided to take my Nautilus X and my Kabuki (standard Nautilus BVC coil) on my Radius and fill them both with the same juice from the same bottle I chose at random (I Love Cookies which is 60/40 0mg nic). The Kabuki I run anywhere between 12-14 watts and the Nautilus X at around 14-15 watts. Both have new coils. Here is my basic comparison using the same juice. I know taste is always subjective for everyone but here is what I noticed.

The Nautilus X: Good MTL so no issues there. On flavor I definitely notice its muted. I get more bitterness in taste vs. which the Kabuki doesn't have. The best way I can describe it is a "flat' taste on the X. Love the top fill and the tank/coil design is a neat idea on the Nautilus X but I think that is really the cause that makes the flavor suffer. And if the flavor sucks...well that's not good. I have a few other juices that I use in the X that are great so for that its fine but its hit and miss and I don't think many folks are going to want to waste juice trying to find a specific juice that works. Also not a huge fan of the drip tip but that's a bit off topic.

The Kabuki: Good MTL as well. The vapor production is also better. The flavor is so much better on the Kabuki. I notice I get more of the sweetness with none of the bitterness I would sometimes get from the Nautilus X. The flavor is more smooth too if that makes sense. I know on the Kabuki I am getting a much more pure flavor. These tanks just really do not compare. No matter what juice I use in the Kabuki (with the exception of some high VG stuff) the flavor is always great. I got a much more 'rich' flavor using the Kabuki.

So that is what I found but I am not surprised. I didn't expect the Nautilus X to compete with the Kabuki but wanted to see the difference side by side. if you get a good juice in the Nautilus X then you are good. But I think that is going to be random luck. For more complex flavor profiles I will stick with the Kabuki for sure.

Both tanks look good on the Radius but I like the Kabuki a lot more. I will try and see if I can find a Nautilus Mini to have but I wont buy another Nautilus X. I wonder if they can redesign the X coil to work in existing Nautilus X tanks to improve the flavor.

Great commentary, Garibaldi, to which I fully agree. I don't know, all too often manufactures take a giant step backwards in their efforts to freshen-up their product line. After all, they only have to give us a P3 Nautilus, or at least a 510.