Official ProVari Radius Thread

[AstroTurf]

I love the white mini! Did Zen upgrade to the P3 connection or was that standard?

See nothing like it on Provape's site now.

It is actually a GloVari, and yes Mike did give it a Haircut at VaperCon 2015.

A day I will never forget!!!

 

[AstroTurf]

I feel this needs a little clarification as to why I say what I say regarding the calibrations and displays and readouts, etc.

vaping is evolving from being a niche market cottage industry into big business. We're not there yet, we're heading there. As this transition is taking place, the early adopters and vaping mavens have a well-established way of doing things to which they have become accustomed. This is normal, predictable emerging market behavior. Absolutely nothing here is new in terms of how this market has evolved, with the possible exception of any legislative influence, which was also 100% expected from the onset.

There are currently millions of vapers. Many of whom are advanced users, and many are not advanced. I would argue that there are more in the latter category, but won't muddy this with a percentage, because it too, is irrelevant to my position. What is important to understand that every person vaping today, does not represent everybody who is ever going to vape.

There are over one billion people that still smoke... pretty big number. Not all of them will transition, in fact a pretty small percentage will. Many will simply die.

SO, vaping has a very long way to go in terms of being able to replace, or even significantly diminish tobacco use in the world, it's a long and complex road. This road is a bumpy one, because many of the smokers lack the sophistication, or income, or interest in putting down the smokes in favor of something healthier. I talk to smokers every day that tell me they tried vaping... too much work, too complex, not satisfying, and yes, some say it's way too confusing. They also say they wish it was as simple as a volume control on the TV, which is why I frequently use that analogy. A volume control is the limit to what they are willing to learn how to use. They don't really want to know what's going on in the background. As product designers we simply cannot dismiss this group of people that have shown an interest, and the current products are far too complex or bothersome to use.

When a current vaper says "I would never buy a product without a display"... you're not telling me anything I don't know. YOU wouldn't, and if I'm being honest, a really huge number of current vapers won't either. But for the market to grow, and it will grow, the products being offered, even in high-end luxury devices will become more simplified. The guesswork will be removed, the vaping experience will become even better, without the need to know anything technical.

Every emerging industry has or will go through this growth pattern. Products will become easier to use and more intuitive which in turn enables more people to enjoy the products. Vaping is no exception. As time goes by, the products of this or any other industry become more appealing to the masses. The early adopters and mavens are left with the memories of the old-times when they were special, and they will miss being a pocket of knowledge that helped the world understand how these things work. No industry is immune from this.

I hear everybody and the arguments about the displays, and I agree that for your specific cases, you are 100% correct. You know what you need and want, and it's based on your journey to this point. And I'll go so far as to say you are right, for where we are today.

But, products are already emerging that the mavens don't understand, and they are superlative products. The ProVari Radius is one such example. And there will be more. Soon, some really really good products will hit the market that don't even resemble what you're vaping today, and over time, you won't even recognize the vape gear compared to what it is today. And I'm willing to bet it will perform flawlessly, with no need to learn a cotton-picking thing to enjoy it. No math, no science, nothing resembling brain power.

And the current mavens will have very little voice in how this all goes down. If the product is to reach mass market appeal, then products will have to be created that actually work well, so the masses will buy them. What you see in my comments is with the understanding that this is the direction the market will be headed. There are dozens of reasons why early adopters will hate this.

But it will happen. And it will be fantastic when it does. Because, we are going to save a LOT of lives when we get to that point. A WHOLE LOT of lives... which is why I do this.

Many vapers only care about the one life they save by getting into this... I get that.

I'm working on the trajectory that saves the lives of people I have never even met, and know nothing about, other than the fact that they exist, and they deserve to have products designed that fit their needs.

Simplicity is the key.

Agreed!!!

 

[Zen~]

It is actually a GloVari, and yes Mike did give it a Haircut at VaperCon 2015.

A day I will never forget!!!

We had a nice time that day!

 

[Bronze]

They don't really want to know what's going on in the background. As product designers we simply cannot dismiss this group of people that have shown an interest, and the current products are far too complex or bothersome to use.

It's what I've been saying. For e-cigs to really spark a transition away from cigarettes the e-cig industry (whoever it is or will be) will have to make e-cigs as easy and reliable to use as smoking a cigarette. Don't give them choices other than a brand (like with cigs). As far as using it...pull it out of a package and start puffing. No more than that.

 

[AstroTurf]

It's what I've been saying. For e-cigs to really spark a transition away from cigarettes the e-cig industry (whoever it is or will be) will have to make e-cigs as easy and reliable to use as smoking a cigarette. Don't give them choices other than a brand (like with cigs). As far as using it...pull it out of a package and start puffing. No more than that.

I enjoyed one of these yesterday...

NJOY included it in a Starter Pack as a freebie.

It almost meets your thoughts Bronze.

 

[Bronze]

I enjoyed one of these yesterday...

NJOY included it in a Starter Pack as a freebie.

It almost meets your thoughts Bronze.

That's what it's going to take. It's not a mystery. The cigarette industry figured out what they want already.

 

[AstroTurf]

That's what it's going to take. It's not a mystery. The cigarette industry figured out what they want already.

They also have 3ml pre filled tanks for sale also.

They are quite attractive too.

Kind of look like a Plasma Tank.

 

[JohnD0406]

And the current mavens will have very little voice in how this all goes down.....There are dozens of reasons why early adopters will hate this.

The only part of your post I can't resist responding to... When it comes to marketing, the rules are simple. If there is demand, there's a money-making opportunity to supply. The high-tech devices aren't all going to disappear. They might not be the mainstream, lost in a sea of new products, but they will be available as long as there is a demand. I believe there will always be a demand from the hobbyists - current and future. If not, we still have our mechanicals.

 

[JD53]

OK , now can we just get ProVape to put VV back?

 

[ENAUD]

OK , now can we just get ProVape to put VV back?

I'm leaning towards that, being an unlikely scenario, reading between the lines here...

 

[JD53]

I'm leaning towards an unlikely scenario of me owning a strictlty VW device.

 

[ENAUD]

I'm leaning towards an unlikely scenario of me owning a strictlty VW device.

I still might could come around...I have switched a couple of my devices over to watt mode and giving it a go. The Radius is a beautiful device, and the onboard charge capability might just make it a perfect travel mod...

 

[Zen~]

The only part of your post I can't resist responding to... When it comes to marketing, the rules are simple. If there is demand, there's a money-making opportunity to supply. The high-tech devices aren't all going to disappear. They might not be the mainstream, lost in a sea of new products, but they will be available as long as there is a demand. I believe there will always be a demand from the hobbyists - current and future. If not, we still have our mechanicals.

Exactly! In the Hi-Fi industry they still sell Tube Amplifiers, and they are marketed to those that don't want Solid State, for whatever reason. The Tube Amp and boutique Hi-Fi market it is still a little cottage industry by comparison but it will always exist, and there will always be hobbyists that absolutely love it, but it stopped driving mainstream innovation a very very long time ago.

There will always be a boutique vape market as well, and the similarities are already starting with the wonderful hand crafted wood mods for which so many of the mavens currently complete.

 

[JohnD0406]

Exactly! In the Hi-Fi industry they still sell Tube Amplifiers, and they are marketed to those that don't want Solid State, for whatever reason. The Tube Amp and boutique Hi-Fi market it is still a little cottage industry by comparison but it will always exist, and there will always be hobbyists that absolutely love it, but it stopped driving mainstream innovation a very very long time ago.

For a very long time, tubes WERE way better than solid state, but after MOSFET amps were released, the speed of a tube was no longer a valid reason. Then there's the fact that tubes distort in even order harmonics, but with a strong enough amp that's a moot point too (unless you play an instrument where distortion is the whole point). Then there was their ability to drive complex loads with lots of current, but again, transistors caught up. The only thing tubes still have over solid state is they LOOK...SO...GOOD!

Hey ProVape - how 'bout a tube-powered ProVari!
It could double as a hand warmer in winter!

 

[coldgin96]

Exactly! In the Hi-Fi industry they still sell Tube Amplifiers, and they are marketed to those that don't want Solid State, for whatever reason. The Tube Amp and boutique Hi-Fi market it is still a little cottage industry by comparison but it will always exist, and there will always be hobbyists that absolutely love it, but it stopped driving mainstream innovation a very very long time ago.

There will always be a boutique vape market as well, and the similarities are already starting with the wonderful hand crafted wood mods for which so many of the mavens currently complete.

Zen, I love you but I have to say I seriously like the, "Power Level Indictor" on my integrated amplifier. Sure, I can just turn it up to a extremely loud level but I quit when I know it's kicking 100 watts per channel.

 

[jwbnyc]

I enjoyed one of these yesterday...

NJOY included it in a Starter Pack as a freebie.

It almost meets your thoughts Bronze.

Except you hated it.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

Exactly! In the Hi-Fi industry they still sell Tube Amplifiers, and they are marketed to those that don't want Solid State, for whatever reason. The Tube Amp and boutique Hi-Fi market it is still a little cottage industry by comparison but it will always exist, and there will always be hobbyists that absolutely love it, but it stopped driving mainstream innovation a very very long time ago.

There will always be a boutique vape market as well, and the similarities are already starting with the wonderful hand crafted wood mods for which so many of the mavens currently complete.

Although it's not a Hi-Fi equipment in the home audio sense, I exclusively use tube-powered guitar amplifiers. Ask any self-respecting guitarist and they will tell you that nothing comes close to the warm, full tube tone. No solid state amp will ever come close to a tube one.

 

[jwbnyc]

I still might could come around...I have switched a couple of my devices over to watt mode and giving it a go. The Radius is a beautiful device, and the onboard charge capability might just make it a perfect travel mod...

This is exactly the role I see the Radius playing in my line up going forward.

 

[ENAUD]

This is exactly the role I see the Radius playing in my line up going forward.

Yeah, we travel international occasionally to dive, It would be nice to just leave the chargers at home and just USB charge whatever I bring.

 

[AstroTurf]

Except you hated it.

While it was most certainly not the taste that I like to vape...

I did vape it until its battery died. The nic was/is strong enough that I did not vape anything else while using it.

Will it work in a pinch? Yes

Would I buy another for myself? Yes, to be used as a mobile backup...

Would I have been able to quit smoking with it? Yes

Would I recommend this to a smoker? Yes!!!

Just my opinions, Jim