Well, not all boxes are created equal. Some are much, much nicer than others. Build quality, fit and finish, general appearance...

(speaking of pushing envelopes...)


Well, not all boxes are created equal. Some are much, much nicer than others. Build quality, fit and finish, general appearance...



I fully concur.My only my thought on that is I dont think they want to shut us down at this point, I think they want to regulate and tax the Hades out of us.... new cash cow
I thought we were talking about box mods vs. tubes?

We were. Why do you ask?![]()
I fully concur.
They don't want to kill the new golden egg.
Our government can figure out how to tax any form factor.The money to be made in taxation will be through e-liquid...
Bube.I was distracted there for a second. Would a roundish boxy thing hybrid be a box, tube, or Cait?
Our government can figure out how to tax any form factor.
+1 Nicely said.All of the argument about what is or isn't safe, or whether the liability falls on the consumer or the manufacturer is absolutely irrelevant. At the end of the day. If there is a failure, the ONLY thing that people will hear is that a Provari blew someone's face off. The only thing the well paid idiots in our government will hear is that an Ecig caused another injury/fire. It doesn't matter who is at fault. It's bad for business, bad for the industry, and bad for us. You have all seen it. The FDA is just waiting for a chance to shut this whole industry down. Is it really worth losing everything to push batteries to the limit because a small percentage of the community wants to go above 50 watts and it "should" be safe? If you want to vape at 50+ and you are willing to take that risk, that's your prerogative and there are lots of options out there. But crying foul at Provape for not being willing to risk EVERYTHING on the knowledge of people that in some cases couldn't blow their noses if brain cells were dynamite seems unfair. I mean if you feel that strongly about it, you could always make one.
Just my 2 cents.
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I don't know anything about the lawsuit that was mentioned here. I do know not to jump to conclusions when it comes to lawsuits.
Take in point the famous McDonald's spilled coffee lawsuit.
I'm sure most here has heard of it, and all the jokes and put downs this poor lady went through. The good old news media basically said this women was driving and spilled her coffee, got burnt, and sued
People were outraged over this.
Truth of what happened never seemed to make the news.
The women's name was 79 yr old Stella Liebeck, who was a passenger not the driver, in a parked car. Liebeck placed the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid from the styrofoam cup so she could add cream and sugar to her coffee.
McDonalds held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit. Most places sell coffee and coffee served at home around 135 to 140 degrees, burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above.
The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she underwent skin grafting. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement treatments, sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds refused.
There were 700 other claims by people burned by their coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks.
So McDonald's knew about the risk.
The truth is a pretty good read,
The Actual Facts about the Mcdonalds' Coffee Case
But my point is, unless you know all the honest true facts, don't judge a lawsuit from what the media tells you.
Dude, you're blowing me away.Never heard of a Variant and DNA 200 mods are disposable because Evolv can't make reliable chips, and the mods they are put in are made in China...
Zen attys are restricted when it comes to air flow so I guess higher ohm builds work well... Myself I like an RDA that can pull enough air through to keep up with a sub ohm build... Right now my favorite RDA's are my Kennedy and Velocity..Possibly yes, for new vapers who are in it for sport, rather than smoking cessation. I like 1.8-2.2 ohm coils on my Zen attys at 7-8 watts...
Possibly yes, for new vapers who are in it for sport, rather than smoking cessation. I like 1.8-2.2 ohm coils on my Zen attys at 7-8 watts...
Zen attys are restricted when it comes to air flow so I guess higher ohm builds work well... Myself I like an RDA that can pull enough air through to keep up with a sub ohm build... Right now my favorite RDA's are my Kennedy and Velocity..
A friend of mine likes to email articles of e-cigs (media term) exploding and blowing peoples faces off. Includes snide remarks such as, "Keep vaping, better stock up on Band-Aids..." My response (well, I quit responding) has always been the same, "We use ProVari's."Exactly... and a 10 month old battery has probably really been through 300 charge cycles in a PV that has USB charging... something to think about... they often get charged daily!
Let's be honest... a lot of people that learned Ohms Law and basic engineering for the purpose of vaping think they understand what it takes to make a mod safe, and some are more gifted than others at picking this stuff up. However, most just understand the basics, and there is an old saying... "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing".
ProVape isn't going to put a time-bomb in your hand, even if you insist upon it. Theoretical limits don't make for good reliable product design. YEARS of experience make a difference. Yes, it's frustrating when people SEE high power devices on the market for 50 bucks, they think ProVape should be able to as well. They could, too... if they gave up the ethics that made them great in the first place.
Perhaps the question should be reversed...Really? Have you actually used one? Airflow is completely wide open in a Zen atty...