Official ProVari Radius Thread

[VNeil]

I thought we were discussing why some of us want the voltage info and why some of us don't. In any case, I'll just say, some of us find it extremely useful, and leave it at that.

That has been discussed previously but you quoted one of my posts discussing VV vs VW, making your reply quite out of context. I happen to agree with you, I'd rather see a battery voltage level and come to my own conclusions about how long it will last, verses this fluctuating "time remaining" indicator or whatever it is. But what they do works more or less so I don't personally get into that debate.

 

[thmstwwng]

I enjoy every minute with them!
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Wow! That is a lot of nautilus. I think you will enjoy the Kabuki by House of Hybrids.

 

[jwbnyc]

That has been discussed previously but you quoted one of my posts discussing VV vs VW, making your reply quite out of context. I happen to agree with you, I'd rather see a battery voltage level and come to my own conclusions about how long it will last, verses this fluctuating "time remaining" indicator or whatever it is. But what they do works more or less so I don't personally get into that debate.

I quoted your post because there was no mention of volts as a diagnostic tool, and it seemed to me that you were not getting what some of us have been saying, without disparaging VW in any way, to wit, that we would like to have VV back, that we were, in fact referring to voltage as a separate thing, with some efficacy all its own.

 

[VNeil]

I quoted your post because there was no mention of volts as a diagnostic tool

Which voltage? The battery level voltage or the output voltage? If you want to change the subject it would be most helpful if you were very specific with your issue. And what are you trying to diagnose?

If you are saying you would like the output voltage displayed then I would agree that it would be a nice feature, and a feature my other 3 VW mods display when in VW mode. But personally I've never had much reason to look at it. The only reason I can think of is if I have some "outlyer" coil resistance that is pushing the limits of the voltage range that a VW mod is capable of outputting, then it would be good to know that.

... and it seemed to me that you were not getting what some of us have been saying, without disparaging VW in any way, to wit, that we would like to have VV back, that we were, in fact referring to voltage as a separate thing, with some efficacy all its own.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But to be very clear, if someone prefers to use VV rather than VW it's fine with me, and I would not put much effort into changing their mind. It's almost like arguing favorite colors. Although in the case of VV vs VW it is clear, at a technical level, that VW is a better proxy for vape , for all the reasons I mentioned.

The reason I did enter the discussion is that at least two members here stated they would not buy a Radius because it doesn't support VV. And for the reasons I mentioned I think that is a mistake but it is like arguing politics and religion because those that insist on VV cannot give a good tech reason why. They just want their VV (and in the end basically stated that as such, although somewhat implicitly). That is inarguable because that is religion and philosophy, not technical.

 

[AstroTurf]

Which voltage? The battery level voltage or the output voltage? If you want to change the subject it would be most helpful if you were very specific with your issue. And what are you trying to diagnose?

If you are saying you would like the output voltage displayed then I would agree that it would be a nice feature, and a feature my other 3 VW mods display when in VW mode. But personally I've never had much reason to look at it. The only reason I can think of is if I have some "outlyer" coil resistance that is pushing the limits of the voltage range that a VW mod is capable of outputting, then it would be good to know that.


I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But to be very clear, if someone prefers to use VV rather than VW it's fine with me, and I would not put much effort into changing their mind. It's almost like arguing favorite colors. Although in the case of VV vs VW it is clear, at a technical level, that VW is a better proxy for vape , for all the reasons I mentioned.

The reason I did enter the discussion is that at least two members here stated they would not buy a Radius because it doesn't support VV. And for the reasons I mentioned I think that is a mistake but it is like arguing politics and religion because those that insist on VV cannot give a good tech reason why. They just want their VV (and in the end basically stated that as such, although somewhat implicitly). That is inarguable because that is religion and philosophy, not technical.

My favorite color is blue...

 

[cocacola31173]

I work at Walmart and the other day I was at the Tobacco register. Started looking at the e cigs products that we offered. Besides the usual cig alikes I seen that we also stocked prefilled clearomizers! Never knew you could buy them like that ...though who knows whats inside of them. Also we had the e liquid but it was 24 mg of nic! Couldn't believe it was that high.

 

[rbrylawski]

My favorite color is blue...

Sigh.....you are so wrong. Everyone, including TO and ClassWife knows the best color is purple.

 

[Bronze]

I work at Walmart and the other day I was at the Tobacco register. Started looking at the e cigs products that we offered. Besides the usual cig alikes I seen that we also stocked prefilled clearomizers! Never knew you could buy them like that ...though who knows whats inside of them. Also we had the e liquid but it was 24 mg of nic! Couldn't believe it was that high.

Prefilled cartos have been around a long time actually.

 

[ENAUD]

Which voltage? The battery level voltage or the output voltage? If you want to change the subject it would be most helpful if you were very specific with your issue. And what are you trying to diagnose?

If you are saying you would like the output voltage displayed then I would agree that it would be a nice feature, and a feature my other 3 VW mods display when in VW mode. But personally I've never had much reason to look at it. The only reason I can think of is if I have some "outlyer" coil resistance that is pushing the limits of the voltage range that a VW mod is capable of outputting, then it would be good to know that.


I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But to be very clear, if someone prefers to use VV rather than VW it's fine with me, and I would not put much effort into changing their mind. It's almost like arguing favorite colors. Although in the case of VV vs VW it is clear, at a technical level, that VW is a better proxy for vape , for all the reasons I mentioned.

The reason I did enter the discussion is that at least two members here stated they would not buy a Radius because it doesn't support VV. And for the reasons I mentioned I think that is a mistake but it is like arguing politics and religion because those that insist on VV cannot give a good tech reason why. They just want their VV (and in the end basically stated that as such, although somewhat implicitly). That is inarguable because that is religion and philosophy, not technical.

I would argue that it is not fine with you, by the sheer effort you have put forth to convince us otherwise, and to even venture into the realm of ridicule.

 

[JD53]

Which voltage? The battery level voltage or the output voltage? If you want to change the subject it would be most helpful if you were very specific with your issue. And what are you trying to diagnose?

If you are saying you would like the output voltage displayed then I would agree that it would be a nice feature, and a feature my other 3 VW mods display when in VW mode. But personally I've never had much reason to look at it. The only reason I can think of is if I have some "outlyer" coil resistance that is pushing the limits of the voltage range that a VW mod is capable of outputting, then it would be good to know that.


I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But to be very clear, if someone prefers to use VV rather than VW it's fine with me, and I would not put much effort into changing their mind. It's almost like arguing favorite colors. Although in the case of VV vs VW it is clear, at a technical level, that VW is a better proxy for vape , for all the reasons I mentioned.

The reason I did enter the discussion is that at least two members here stated they would not buy a Radius because it doesn't support VV. And for the reasons I mentioned I think that is a mistake but it is like arguing politics and religion because those that insist on VV cannot give a good tech reason why. They just want their VV (and in the end basically stated that as such, although somewhat implicitly). That is inarguable because that is religion and philosophy, not technical.

Once again, I prefer to select output voltage myself instead of leaving it up to the device.

 

[jwbnyc]

Which voltage? The battery level voltage or the output voltage? If you want to change the subject it would be most helpful if you were very specific with your issue. And what are you trying to diagnose?

If you are saying you would like the output voltage displayed then I would agree that it would be a nice feature, and a feature my other 3 VW mods display when in VW mode. But personally I've never had much reason to look at it. The only reason I can think of is if I have some "outlyer" coil resistance that is pushing the limits of the voltage range that a VW mod is capable of outputting, then it would be good to know that.


I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But to be very clear, if someone prefers to use VV rather than VW it's fine with me, and I would not put much effort into changing their mind. It's almost like arguing favorite colors. Although in the case of VV vs VW it is clear, at a technical level, that VW is a better proxy for vape , for all the reasons I mentioned.

The reason I did enter the discussion is that at least two members here stated they would not buy a Radius because it doesn't support VV. And for the reasons I mentioned I think that is a mistake but it is like arguing politics and religion because those that insist on VV cannot give a good tech reason why. They just want their VV (and in the end basically stated that as such, although somewhat implicitly). That is inarguable because that is religion and philosophy, not technical.

Both.

So, you can find yourself in a situation where you are overdriving a coil at quite a low wattage setting, 10W @ 1.9ohms, as an example, on a Nautilus coil. Manufacturer recommends 4.2V tops. You would not know that if you did not have VV to tell you were at 4.3V. This may not be of interest to some. It's of interest to me.

Then there is the general diagnostic function that being able to see what voltage the battery is outputting, under load, and what it is reading at rest, affords.

Again, I will state that this has nothing to do with whether or not VW is a good thing.

I can understand why some people want to vape using VV.

I can understand why some people would want to vape using VW.

Neither is better or worse than the other, just different.

I'd agree that just setting your PV to a particular wattage, and forgetting it, is easier.

 

[Zen~]

Prefilled cartos have been around a long time actually.

Pre-Filled cartos actually came out BEFORE "blank" cartos (which is what they were called when they first came out). Way back in the day, there was a campaign to get empty cartos and Boge finally caved and let us have them.

 

[ENAUD]

Both.

So, you can find yourself in a situation where you are overdriving a coil at quite a low wattage setting, 10W @ 1.9ohms, as an example, on a Nautilus coil. Manufacturer recommends 4.2V tops. You would not know that if you did not have VV to tell you were at 4.3V. This may not be of interest to some. It's of interest to me.

Then there is the general diagnostic function that being able to see what voltage the battery is outputting, under load, and what it is reading at rest.

Again, I will state that this has nothing to do with whether or not VW is a good thing.

I can understand why some people want to vape using VV.

I can understand why some people would want to vape using VW.

Neither is better or worse than the other, just different.

I'd agree that just setting your PV to a particular wattage, and forgetting it, is easier.

BINGO!!! This ^^^ exactly my thoughts on the whole matter.

 

[Zen~]

Both.

So, you can find yourself in a situation where you are overdriving a coil at quite a low wattage setting, 10W @ 1.9ohms, as an example, on a Nautilus coil. Manufacturer recommends 4.2V tops. You would not know that if you did not have VV to tell you were at 4.3V. This may not be of interest to some. It's of interest to me.

I vape every day with a Nautilus coil at 4.3-4.4v I discovered it performed great in that area by using my senses instead of the readings on the display.

This discussion will go in circles until the end of time, OR until the manufacturer figures out that if you give a consumer a data point, some will focus on the data instead of the job the device is doing.

We all have our preferences, and I will stipulate to the fact that ProVape took one of those choices away.

One down... one to go.

 

[ENAUD]

I vape every day with a Nautilus coil at 4.3-4.4v I discovered it performed great in that area by using my senses instead of the readings on the display.

This discussion will go in circles until the end of time, OR until the manufacturer figures out that if you give a consumer a data point, some will focus on the data instead of the job the device is doing.

We all have our preferences, and I will stipulate to the fact that ProVape took one of those choices away.

One down... one to go.

Just like the gages in cars went from degrees, volts, oil pressure...to a blinky light and buzzer when something breaks.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

A toaster that can't be set to at least 60 watts doesn't meet my breakfast needs.

Same here. It doesn't produce big enough cloudzzzz!

 

[cocacola31173]

Prefilled cartos have been around a long time actually.

No these wasn't cartos...they were clearomizers....like the early versions they used to have.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Hey guys, has anyone had a problem with "Output Fault [7]" it says to replace atty and try again but it spits out this error even with no atty attached. Also pulling the battery didn't help.
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Good question, too bad you asked it in a general chit chat thread,,, uhmm, wait,,,
supposedly this is the " Official Provari Radius thread ".

Might try contacting Provape directly.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

I want Siri to tell me what the settings are, so don't have to look.

Imagine putting a tank on your iPhone and using the phone itself as a mod? @Zen~ , think you'd be up for building a Kabuki with a Lightning connection?

 

[VNeil]

I would argue that it is not fine with you, by the sheer effort you have put forth to convince us otherwise, and to even venture into the realm of ridicule.

I have not ridiculed anyone, and certainly that was not my intent. I merely tried to explain why watts is a direct measure of power, which is a direct measure of heat produced in the coil. But voltage is not. I kept it to a technical level except to acknowledge that personal preference, regardless of the technical merits, is something Provape should have considered. And my intent was to try to convince a few people that the Radius should not be written off merely because it doesn't offer VV, even if I think Provape should have included it simply to avoid this technical argument and the overlapping marketing angle of giving people what they want, regardless of the technical merits.

An analogy: you could calibrate an analog liquid thermometer in inches instead of degrees. It is true that the column height of a thermometer is related to temperature. As temp rises, the column rises. You would, over time, learn that on your specific thermometer 3" is the freezing point, 8" is the hottest day (around 100F) and 6.5" is your favorite outdoor comfortable temperature.

You can argue that that is a perfectly acceptable way - for you - to measure temperature. And you may indeed over time become more comfortable measuring temperature as a function of column height of your thermometer. You might even become very reluctant to change. I would not argue that you should change calibrations just because temperature is more direct and consistently repeatable across thermometers.

It is difficult, though, to argue that calibrating in inches is no better or worse than calibrating in degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius. And further that directly measuring temperature in degrees is unacceptable based on any technical merits. Especially since every height calibrated thermometer would have a different scale correlating different heights to degrees temperature. And this is the case in the vape world, where every different atty resistance results in a different voltage equating to a given power level. I have trouble with the "no better or worse" argument, at a technical level. Inches is demonstrably a poorer proxy for temperature. That is different than "I have a preference regardless of the factual merits and so be it". Personal preference is fine as long as it is accepted as personal preference.