Oh my goodness, Provape is no more!

[Garemlin]

I was planning on buying a Radius for my upcoming 4 year Vapeaversary. Went to the site rhe other day and noticed only three different ones available for order. Struck me as very odd. Makes sense now.

Sad to see them go and all of those people who actually took pride in making a quality product here in the USA now unemployed.


Tap'd from my 7+

 

[Katdarling]

Just get a Darwin.

 

[Moaufan]

Thought those of you not on FB might enjoy some thoughts from Tim Klerekoper, the former Director of Marketing for Provape:

(with his permission)

"I spent two years as the Director of Marketing for ProVape ... and I want to put this on the record. The company's commitment to quality and safety was unmatched. They literally never compromised on quality ... even when it meant it made it harder to compete in the industry. The dedication of literally every employee to vaping, and ProVape, and its products was inspiring. And there wasn't one day in the years I was affiliated with the company that they didn't have a desire to provide a product that could effectively get people off of cigarettes. They never wavered from that focus. I have well over 130 mods in my collection and only one company's products has the distinction of never needing repair ... and those were my ProVaris. I am deeply saddened by the news ... but they helped over a half million people get a real chance to quit ... and I truly believe they were ... and are ... the best this industry has ever had to offer. Dr. Tim Klerekoper

And while I'm on a roll ... I also want to thank ProVape (especially its founders) for partnering with my company to design and build the ProVari Steath. The bulk of the profits from that model went to support police/fire/military chaplaincy. ProVape didn't need to do that ... but they did ... and there were many of you whose purchase of a Stealth provided funding to help soldiers and law enforcement officers, many of them working through issues like PTSD.

It wasn't that they didn't want to help the sub ohm crowd ... it was that it took at least ten months for ProVape to produce a new model ... because of the testing (quality and safety) that every model they produced went through. (For instance, they didn't "tune" circuit boards to a certain wattage ... the board was designed and created for a particular wattage. I use mine with virtually no concern for my safety at all!) It has been estimated that China can produce a model from start to finish in less than a month. ProVape never compromised ... and yes, they paid a price for it ... but I admire their dedication to making a quality product. The letter truly was an ad agency employee coming up with a lousy idea and pushing "send" instead of "forward." Unfortunate, but not ProVape's fault.

I left ProVape early in 2016 because my role as a Bishop of the Diocese of Seattle for the Church of England was expanding ... but I still have a deep appreciation of and a love for the company. I have never been a part of a company or worked with employees that were more dedicated to their product and their industry.

But I do know that whereas people often complained about the price of a ProVari, I can tell you of an absolute certainty that the company made less profit than any other company in the industry. Why? They refused to compromise on quality and safety. It is impossible for me to criticize them for that. I was honored to work for the company ... and I'm vaping on a ProVari this evening as I write this.

After I left people asked me to give them the "real scoop." All I've ever been able to say is that I loved the company, it's owners and employees, it's products, and it's desire to get people off of tobacco. There's no dirt. Do I wish they could have been faster to get out products and respond to the market? Sure. We all wished that ... but they simply would not put their customers at risk even if it cost them market share. Some people call that stupid. I call that monumental.

I truly wish every US company had that kind of dedication to their customers. The company wasn't perfect ... but not for lack of effort!"

 

[daviedog]

I do not hate ProVape. They are good in their niche, for their followers.
What I hated - inevitable advices "buy Provary" on about any question on mods on ECF about 3 years ago. It was huge pressure on novices to buy mod for $160 (?). I was not sure I will continue vaping, and spending $160 looked like a dumb move. Fortunately I found out about VAMO (5 times cheaper and better user interface) and used it for almost a year. Found out I like vaping. Do not use VAMO now, but it is still in perfectly working condition.

So, you may see, it was an attitude of pro-Provary advisers that make me dislike it. They sounded like any cheaper mod will not suffice for proper vaping experience. I believe novices need much cheaper device to get acquainted with vaping.

My EXACT same experience back in 2013,, my mistake was to post it on ECF back in the day..

 

[Lemwise]

Being dedicated to ones principles is nice but look at what it lead to for Provape. If they hadn't been so damn stubborn they might still be in business. Their commitment to safety is just another excuse for the mis management of the company. It was run by people who clearly thought their way of doing it was the only right way. But thinking you're right is not the same as being right. In the end all that matters is the free market and whether or not people want to buy your product. The free market proved their business model wrong.

 

[440BB]

From a business standpoint, ProVape closing is completely understandable. Under the FDA deeming, new product development is pointless unless one chooses to go offshore and try to stay under the radar on the grey market. Although they had come out with multiple new products over the last couple years, there was no future growth on the horizon.

Once future new products were eliminated, holding out until 8/18 wasn't practical. One simple issue is lease renewal. Most commercial leases are for multiple years. Assuming they were coming up on renewal on their facility and projected declining revenues with no new products and a forced closure (thanks FDA) within two years, entering into a new lease commitment would be foolish.

Although Provape's focus on safety and quality kept them from pumping out products that approached the safety limits of batteries, they were coming out with new devices regularly and would certainly have been able to maintain a good volume of business given their like minded loyal customer base. That they couldn't project a future of sustained business with more new products was decided by the FDA.

 

[gin828]

I agree with 440BB



Maybe Provape closing up early gives them best chance of re-opening....if the FDA regulations get overturned. Why spend the money to try and stay afloat in the hopes that it might get changed.

 

[DPLongo22]

Just get a Darwin.

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LOL!

You couldn't stop yourself @Katdarling , could you?

Scrolling through some of the comments, I remain struck by the number of people who would wander into a thread related to a device that they never had any intention of purchasing, simply to bash it. Five-whatever-years here and the next time I do that will be the first.

I guess if it floats your boat...

 

[AstroTurf]

In response to the title of the thread...

I Say...

ProVape is no Less than the Best!!!

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[smacksy]

In response to the title of the thread...

I Say...

ProVape is no Less than the Best!!!

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You've been telling us that for a long time Jim..shame Provape is no longer..

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[Ca Ike]

Being dedicated to ones principles is nice but look at what it lead to for Provape. If they hadn't been so damn stubborn they might still be in business. Their commitment to safety is just another excuse for the mis management of the company. It was run by people who clearly thought their way of doing it was the only right way. But thinking you're right is not the same as being right. In the end all that matters is the free market and whether or not people want to buy your product. The free market proved their business model wrong.

Lem. Enough of your bashing man We all know you hate provape with a passion for not catering to your needs. Frankly Ive been bailed on by more companies than I can count based on what I need. Especially juice makers. But I don't go around bashing them like you do provape. Knowing how provape does their design and testing Ive come to trust them. Ive also gotten to know a few of them over the last few years and they are good people. IF it wasn't for Provape and their dedication to their core values of safety, reliability and quality you wouldn't have the leaps seen in some of the chineese mods we have seen. They set the standards others followed and you can't deny that. Hell YIHI doesn't. Their sales were still going strong and getting better with each new product but how can you continue a trend like that if your basically being told to stop everything your doing for an untold time frame?

The worst part is you(or at least you don't show it) and many others refuse to see the bigger picture. Provape and Nicoticket are just the two biggest players to close up so far. We also can't forget that the FDA didn't even guarantee companies would be approved as tobacco manufacturers when they registered to be licensed. Zeller practically admitted to planning on refusing most all applications during registration.

 

[oplholik]

I was wondering when ole Lem was gonna show up. LOL!

 

[Bad Ninja]

I find it interesting that even though the fallacy of their business model was proven years ago, and many of their own customers and fans advised them, they vehemently refused to listen.

Yet pointing out the obvious is bashing?

 

[Wackyjak]

Back when the Radius came out I remember people saying "no tc??" Provape said they didn't like the way other companies were doing tc and wouldn't do it until they could do it with more precision. I have to believe they were sincere. They could have struck a deal with the other biggie to make a mod with there board. Sad to see them go. After a visit to a vape Shop I returned about a week later with my Pro Mini and a IBtanked carto tank to show the youngsters. I still think the Provape mini with an Erl K nano is one of the classiest set ups I own.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Back when the Radius came out I remember people saying "no tc??" Provape said they didn't like the way other companies were doing tc and wouldn't do it until they could do it with more precision. I have to believe they were sincere. They could have struck a deal with the other biggie to make a mod with there board. Sad to see them go. After a visit to a vape Shop I returned about a week later with my Pro Mini and a IBtanked carto tank to show the youngsters. I still think the Provape mini with an Earl K nano is one of the classiest set ups I own.

What is a earl k nano?

 

[DPLongo22]

Zeller practically admitted to planning on refusing most all applications during registration.

FTFY. ;-)

 

[Hitcat44]

 

[DPLongo22]

I was wondering when ole Lem was gonna show up. LOL!

Page 1, but decently presented at that point.

As has often been the case, he picks up steam as he goes.

 

[smacksy]

yep, lol

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[DPLongo22]

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