LOL! I have no idea but I just showed her the comment and her face was priceless.... along with the comment "God forbid!"
Oh, no, it's alive! CA no-shipping bill AB1500 assigned to committee
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LOL! I have no idea but I just showed her the comment and her face was priceless.... along with the comment "God forbid!"
I don't want to Take Anything away from the Celebrating.
Because if AB-1500 is a Completely Dead, this is a Win for All Vapers and Retailers.
But one thing I would Suggest is that while this is Still Fresh in Peoples Minds is to ask themselves What Worked? And what Didn't Work? And to think Back and make a List of what you would do Differently knowing what you know Now.
We Will/Are going to Fight More Fights like this in the Future. How can things we Learned here be Applied to Other Situations? And how can our Experiences help Others?
Anyway... Just a Thought.
Because if AB-1500 is a Completely Dead, this is a Win for All Vapers and Retailers.
But one thing I would Suggest is that while this is Still Fresh in Peoples Minds is to ask themselves What Worked? And what Didn't Work? And to think Back and make a List of what you would do Differently knowing what you know Now.
We Will/Are going to Fight More Fights like this in the Future. How can things we Learned here be Applied to Other Situations? And how can our Experiences help Others?
Anyway... Just a Thought.
Thank you for bringing up that thought.
As an analysis... I have no idea where to begin to figure out what worked and didn't. It would also be mostly speculation. So I will stick to what I know worked and what the possible future positive results of all this AB1500 fighting has been.
1) Our group of non-vendor advocates has worked very hard on this for many weeks and it has been a disproportional effort for all of us (I think so, but others, please do chime in!) and we got a very good little dedicated group going who are doing research, organization, reaching out and bringing attention to things, etc. And as a result of this AB1500 fight we have also gained a group of dedicated, friendly, serious vendors who not only have now seen the importance but have seen that if we combine forces (consumers and vendors alike) we CAN make some difference and it is easier to convince people now that sitting back and doing nothing is a bad idea and doing something and helping out will certainly pay off for them in one way or another, for all of us.
2) My business' name (totally unrelated to vaping or retail or any of that) is Ignyter and my slogan is "creating big bangs out of small sparks" and I think that slogan, if anything, applies to what we've all accomplished here in this area of CA. And now it's time to take that positive spark and try and get that big bang going. I would like to explain in detail what we're doing right now but since I'm not the main organizer on this one and we are still working out some crucial details I'm going to refrain from announcing things just at the moment. HOWEVER, having said that...
ANY CALI VENDORS who are REALLY SERIOUS about being part of the fight (local, state, and federal) AND are willing to dedicate some resources to it and could make it out to Sacramento on the 30th this month for a hopefully very VERY interesting meeting from noon to 5pm, please please please get in touch with me ASAP! Not being there is not going to be crucial but we'd love to have you there to talk about a whole range of things that are important to everyone including the various plans and options on how we can unite.
3) What have we learned and what can we help others with that. If anything, PERSISTENCE. If it wasn't for that and continuing to try to keep people to be part of the fight and having help from various other sources, is essential. But what we need is a) numbers, and b) people who can do this in a sustained manner (that, of course, is a whole different matter!). We need to be more organized. We need to have some sort of "toolkit" for organizing, helping others organize their own groups, we need to communicate and educate. And we need a proper centralized place for this to take place and/or being facilitated.
LOL! I have no idea but I just showed her the comment and her face was priceless.... along with the comment "God forbid!"
I'll also add that Sallie was an extremely effective speaker. I was very impressed. She came across with a lot of practical sense that was appealing, more than the paid professionals. Her agenda was clear and simple with no strings attached. She could have a brillant future that's in high demand.
I think it's most definitely related to her background in academia, teaching and speaking in front of large groups. Plus she's been a writer and ghostwriter, professionally even though the vast bulk of her business is from building websites.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! You're the best and I love y'all!
WooHoo! So you can fight city hall, after all!
OK, so I just got off the phone with DICKinson's Capitol office and I was told that the bill is still in committee.... I expressed my displeasure with the bill, again, and it was duly noted, again. 
What does it mean?
What does it mean?
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OK, so I just got off the phone with DICKinson's Capitol office and I was told that the bill is still in the Committee.... I expressed my displeasure with the bill, again, and it was duly noted, again.
What does it mean?
It means that I am Not Going to Uncross my Fingers until Friday at 11:59:59 PM PST.
OK, so I just got off the phone with DICKinson's Capitol office and I was told that the bill is still in the Committee.... I expressed my displeasure with the bill, again, and it was duly noted, again.
What does it mean?
Who did you speak to?
Here's what we got on that, verbatim:
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Yes, sorry for the confusion. The bill was "on call" but it is finalized at the end of the hearing, so then the bill fails. I am glad that folks are at least tracking all these nuances.
All the vendors you know are great. Unfortunately, we have heard from some industry sources who candidly admitted to us that they don't do any checks. In any case, we clearly will have time to figure out how to address this next year or something.
I spoke to a phone answerer.
She looked and checked and double-checked...
Yep. That's technically correct. Unless it was Tiffany I think most of the other folks there that answer the phone only have access to the official information, not what the people in the office are actually pursuing on (or in this case, stopped pursuing).
It's still in committee because he was granted that but it would take amendments for him to get more votes on his side and those would require 48 hour notice and a new hearing and that's never going to be possible before end of Friday.
What impressed me the most, besides the research and knowledge, was the "tone of voice" used by all spokespersons. Every single one had an aire of matter of fact discipline... The tone that comes after the number 1 is called out to a toddler in trouble, but not quite at number 3. There's still a little niggle room for forgiveness. But not much, & not for long, unless they listen up good and listen up now. The end of your rope with "these" fools, but not with all fools and you'll be back if need be. Even v2 dude, bless his heart, "it's not tobacco or alcohol!" Hos sheesh was written all over his face, posture. I kissed the screen when he spoke up about that.
Somehow we need to call these Harm Reduction products and leave the T word out of it altogether. The T word is all anyone grasps, I swear.
The council did a nice job, asking questions, laying their thoughts on the table, etc. It's a confusing issue if one hasn't take. The time to research it. Even I was swayed by Dickinsons pleas a few times... "It's nothing more than age verification!" .... Bah humbug! I awoke out of his big eyed painting without much thought, thankfully.
Somehow we need to call these Harm Reduction products and leave the T word out of it altogether. The T word is all anyone grasps, I swear.
The council did a nice job, asking questions, laying their thoughts on the table, etc. It's a confusing issue if one hasn't take. The time to research it. Even I was swayed by Dickinsons pleas a few times... "It's nothing more than age verification!" .... Bah humbug! I awoke out of his big eyed painting without much thought, thankfully.
Dickinson really misrepresented what it was and sometimes, so much so that it was leaving false-fraudulant impressions. One area of conflict was that Sallie claim wine did not require signature upon delivery from an adult and Dickinson said the bill's requirements were no different from any other age related category. Both statements can't be true.
In the hearing that Harkin Chaired, I liked the way Sen. Burr always referred to e-Cigarettes as just that, e-Cigarettes. And anything that was Smoked as "Combustible Tobacco".
It was a Small thing. But I thought it was HUGE in that it Separates e-Cigarettes from Smoking. And it Beats into people Heads the Thought of Combustion. ie: Burning something.
Because where Much of the Real Harm comes is when Tobacco, and the Chemicals the Put In/On Tobacco, is Burned.
I am Adopting this Term, "Combustible Tobacco" into my Lexicon when talking to people regarding e-Cigarettes. And I have put it on my "What Works List".
It was a Small thing. But I thought it was HUGE in that it Separates e-Cigarettes from Smoking. And it Beats into people Heads the Thought of Combustion. ie: Burning something.
Because where Much of the Real Harm comes is when Tobacco, and the Chemicals the Put In/On Tobacco, is Burned.
I am Adopting this Term, "Combustible Tobacco" into my Lexicon when talking to people regarding e-Cigarettes. And I have put it on my "What Works List".
I'm sticking with smoking / smokeless tobacco and vaping nicotine.
I think the point she made wasn't that wine club deliveries require a signature (they do) but that you can't compare the two because lots of people order a $16 bottle of e-liquid and then $5 on top of that is much more an issue than $5 on a wine shipment that is easily hundreds of dollars and only usually someone one does once every few months.
The wine club thing is material we've been provided through Tiffany and is has been a very big pillar on which they had based the concept of AB1500... the fact that "they do it like that" when at the same time comparing apples and oranges.
If you are Ever Speaking at a setting where they will allow you to Submit something for the "Public Record", bring it with you.
I was being asked Questions once about e-Liquids and one questioners keep bring up that "but aren't there Carcinogens in e-Liquids". I reached into my satchel and pulled out a Big Pile of Papers and said that they were Study results showing that the Carcinogen Levels were a Fraction of what are in Cigarette Smoke. And I would like to Enter them into the Minutes of the meeting.
I was told that wouldn't be Necessary. And the Question Never came up again.
And that was a Good thing, because the Papers I had were Not Complete studies. But just Kinda Notes I had taken on Studies.
But it taught me a Valuable Lesson. If I'm going to Talk I'm going to make sure I send all the Studies and Info I have to the Panel. And I'm going to bring it with me. And then if they Try to Pull Something, I can Throw it in their Face.
I just like making the Constant Distinction that what we do Doesn't Involve Buring anything.
Because you can Support a Harm Reduction claim by saying that Much of the Harm Occurs when Tobacco is Burned.
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