Ohms chart so you don't have to do the math!

[DC2]

All of the vaping charts were created to be used only as a general guideline for the average vapor. Granted there are those vapors that like a power torch for a PV, I'm certainly not one of them.

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I've been vaping for over 3 years now with standard 510 atomizers at around 10 watts.
And my atomizers last a very long time.

Many vapers will tell you they needed to vape at higher wattages to be able to get off the cigarettes completely.

I think it does a disservice to actively discourage people from even trying to vape at higher than 9 watts.
Unfortunately, that is exactly what a lot of those charts are doing, and I don't understand why.

 

[apdb90]

I've been vaping for over 3 years now with standard 510 atomizers at around 10 watts.
And my atomizers last a very long time.

Many vapers will tell you they needed to vape at higher wattages to be able to get off the cigarettes completely.

I think it does a disservice to actively discourage people from even trying to vape at higher than 9 watts.
Unfortunately, that is exactly what a lot of those charts are doing, and I don't understand why.

My only concern with that statement, being fairly new to this, is that most vapers, when they're trying to get OFF the cigarettes are new enough that going outside of those ranges without the knowledge on how to do so safely are potentially looking at destroying equipment at best and their face at worst. I'd rather see a new vaper up the nic levels of their e liquids or frequency in vaping if possible before they start playing around at wattages/voltages outside of those charts.

Once they get the background and experience you have, then let them do whatever they need to.....good God I just read all 10 pages of the thread where the guy thought he was vaping at .0002 ohms or something ridiculous like that, and that was just downright scary. If it weren't for the fact that he got LUCKY, he would have been posting with one hand, looking at a blurry screen through one eye.

 

[fourthrok]

Oh boy. I must be a SERIOUSLY light weight vaper! And here I thought I was pretty average! I smoked full strength cigarettes heavily for 43 years. I only used "light" cigs if there was no choice, and only temporarily. I've been vaping nearly 17 months now...and DIY my own menthol. I tend to vape in the range of most of those charts pretty consistently. I think I must like being in the range of about 5 to 6 watts (depending on the time of day and my mood). I've tried higher and it's just plain too harsh or burnt tasting for the flavor (strong menthol) I use. Then again...my husband was a heavy full flavor smoker and he also vapes in about the same range I do. Go figure. He's tried higher and didn't like it at all. He uses flue cured and tobacco flavors.

I know a lot of people seem to enjoy the 11+ watt vape...but it's beyond me why. Perhaps it's just the type/flavor juice they use, or maybe they just need to have the back of their heads blown off in order to "feel" the vape. Beats me. The charts posted are a good guideline. Going high power crazy isn't a good fit for everyone. Some might like it...others not so much. Trying to make it sound like a person may have something wrong with them for finding the charts helpful isn't being helpful.

 

[Baditude]

+3 for apdb90 , Fourthrok, and Zapped.

Not trying to pick an argument here, but I think it does a disservice to actively encourage new vapers to use low or standard resistance cartomizers at high voltage or wattage because that is what THEY use. These people often have no clue what an ohm is or how it relates to wattage or voltage. They only read what someone who has been vaping for 3 years says, so before they even try out the "recommended" resistance coil for their device/voltage range they jump right into low resistance and set their machine to 6 volts.

Then they wonder why their atty's pop so frequently, why their juice tastes burnt or why the flavor is not there, why their vape is so harsh, why does their vapor make them cough, etc. or worse.

If YOU want to vape at 10 watts or more using a standard atty, I have no issue with that. But because it is outside of the norm you should make a disclaimer of sorts when you anounce that to every new vapor who happens to read your posts.

As veteran vapors we owe it to the community and new vapors to look out for the inexperienced and possibly ignorant vapors who have not yet gotten a grasp of our jargon. I see this kind stuff all of the time in the New Members forum; ie someone who has 5 posts total and recommending a RBA to someone who just got their first cigalike kit.

I know you said '"many vapers will tell you they needed to vape at higher wattages to be able to get off the cigarettes completely," but is that the vast majority? I personally would be interested in seeing a poll asking that very question, because I believe your estimate is highly exagerated.

 

[Abe_Katz]

Well as a novice vaper (though I've probably put a greater deal of research into things than other novice vapers) I happen to find the charts useful, well really were useful until I brushed up on formulas and what volts, amps, watts and ohms meant. These charts really are nothing more than a guide that one can use. And I think that using them or not is a personal decision.

I see nothing about them that could discourage a new vaper. They certainly didn't discourage me.

 

[tj99959]

This vaping chart has been all over the 'net and back again but it is a good one for single coil devices. The only thing I would change: Light green blocks for 6 watts or less should be dark green.

IMO that chart must have been put out by Blu

4.00 watts is "Just right" ?!?

 

[fourthrok]

IMO that chart must have been put out by Blu

4.00 watts is "Just right" ?!?

I don't see the chart as saying that 4 watts is "just right". Looks like 4 watts is at the bottom of the range with most of the categories. I was told (way back when) to aim for somewhere in the middle-ish to high end of the light green to start. (shrugs)

Oh..I see the "just right" now. Okay. But that is the low end. Might be good for someone used to a "Lite" cigarette.

 

[Baditude]

IMO that chart must have been put out by Blu
4.00 watts is "Just right" ?!?

I don't see the chart as saying that 4 watts is "just right". Looks like 4 watts is at the bottom of the range with most of the categories. I was told (way back when) to aim for somewhere in the middle-ish to high end of the light green to start.

I see what fourthrok sees, too. My vaping habits tend to follow in the upper green zone wattage range as the chart recommends. Perhaps we are more in the norm than you are.

Not trying to tell you that your vaping style is wrong. If that is what keeps you off cigarettes, more power to you. I just believe that for the benefit of all the new people that are coming on the forums and seeking advice for their first APV's, we need to make better decisions on what we recommend, and should it be outside the norm possibly adding a disclaimer that it is that.

 

[tj99959]

I don't see the chart as saying that 4 watts is "just right". Looks like 4 watts is at the bottom of the range with most of the categories. I was told (way back when) to aim for somewhere in the middle-ish to high end of the light green to start. (shrugs)

Oh..I see the "just right" now. Okay. But that is the low end. Might be good for someone used to a "Lite" cigarette.

What I'm trying to express is that both "too warm" and "a little cool" are under emphasized on that chart, and "Just right" and "too hot" are over emphasized. Imo there is nothing bad about wanting a little warmer, or a little cooler, so those categories should not be looked at as being a bad thing.

 

[DC2]

I've seen all your comments and replies, and rather than responding to them all I will just repeat this...

I think it does a disservice to actively discourage people from even trying to vape at higher than 9 watts.
Unfortunately, that is exactly what a lot of those charts are doing, and I don't understand why.

 

[Baditude]

What I'm trying to express is that both "too warm" and "a little cool" are under emphasized on that chart, and "Just right" and "too hot" are over emphasized. Imo there is nothing bad about wanting a little warmer, or a little cooler, so those categories should not be looked at as being a bad thing.

I see your point on that. And as I have repeatedly said in this thread and others here, these charts are only meant as a general guideline, and whenever I make a reference to either the chart or the article presented by the author, I believe I always state that they are to be used as a general guideline.

There have been several commentaries that these charts are a little too conservative, so perhaps someone with the capabilities can make a better one.

 

[DC2]

I know you said '"many vapers will tell you they needed to vape at higher wattages to be able to get off the cigarettes completely," but is that the vast majority? I personally would be interested in seeing a poll asking that very question, because I believe your estimate is highly exagerated.

I'm pretty sure it's more than you think.

 

[DC2]

There have been several commentaries that these charts are a little too conservative, so perhaps someone with the capabilities can make a better one.

I thought I had posted this earlier in the thread, but I guess I must have posted it somewhere else...
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/469/wattage.png

The above chart comes from here...
WWV Part II (page 5) | Vaping Guides to the Electronic Cigarette

 

[apdb90]

I thought I had posted this earlier in the thread, but I guess I must have posted it somewhere else...
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/469/wattage.png

The above chart comes from here...
WWV Part II (page 5) | Vaping Guides to the Electronic Cigarette

Unfortunately looking through that site, with the exception of some of the facebook posts, it appears not to have been updated since 2010.

 

[Rocketpunk]

Hello, all.

Fourthrok, I am right there with you as far as ohms/resistance/wattage/voltage goes. I like a nice, cool vape, with a definite throat hit, but nothing too hot. I vape sweet juices, so they are very easily "burnt". I also lock my volts in at 3.8 and my watts between 6.5 and 7.

And some are right. There are vapers, mostly new, who crank up their Twists to 4.8, their VV's to 6.0, and their vw to 12 watts, with who-gives-a-crap ohms, and vape the hell out of them. I know one vaper at work who does this. He enjoys his vapes, he really does, but he goes through Twists, cartos, and atomizers like crazy. And he never understands why he's always going back to the shop to buy more stuff. While all the rest of us are happy vapers sitting around puffing like crazy. We try to tell him to tone it down, but he just won't listen. It's high volts, all the time. And not only does he chain vape, he draws really, really, really hard, too. Honestly, I have no idea how he's kept himself in the game with all of that FULL THROTTLE TO THE MAX mentality.

 

[Jerms]

I'm finding the juice delivery system the reason people are going higher on watts. That chart is pretty accurate with cartos, above 9 I to taste burning. With regular atties I notice a bad taste around 10 watts. Before I thought it was juice burning, but now think it's juice not being wicked to the coil fast enough to keep up. I noticed I can go higher with a HH.357 as it uses a vaccuum to flow juice over the coil while pulling. As long as the coil stays wet, it doesn't get nearly as hot as a dry coil.

I read now about people using below 1 ohm resistance on mechanical mods going for 15 to over 20 watts. I was skeptical how that's even possible, but am giving them the benifit of the doubt since I never tried it myself. Maybe they are setting up their RBAs to provide wicking fast enough to vape that high. For me, 7.5-9 watts provides the best flavor and performance most of the time, going higher starts to mute flavors.

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[Baditude]

Unfortunately looking through that site, with the exception of some of the facebook posts, it appears not to have been updated since 2010.

The chart and article that I post was published in July 2012.

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[Jonny5000]

For me this was just a good starting point, it gave me an idea of what volts to start at. From there you can go up or down depending on personal preference.

 

[tj99959]

I'm finding the juice delivery system the reason people are going higher on watts. That chart is pretty accurate with cartos, above 9 I to taste burning. With regular atties I notice a bad taste around 10 watts. Before I thought it was juice burning, but now think it's juice not being wicked to the coil fast enough to keep up. I noticed I can go higher with a HH.357 as it uses a vaccuum to flow juice over the coil while pulling. As long as the coil stays wet, it doesn't get nearly as hot as a dry coil.

I read now about people using below 1 ohm resistance on mechanical mods going for 15 to over 20 watts. I was skeptical how that's even possible, but am giving them the benifit of the doubt since I never tried it myself. Maybe they are setting up their RBAs to provide wicking fast enough to vape that high. For me, 7.5-9 watts provides the best flavor and performance most of the time, going higher starts to mute flavors.

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That is because of the quantity of liquid being vaporized. The coils in my RBA's stay very wet, and this cools the coil. Thus the need to up the wattage to get proper vaporisation.
RBA's are simply outside the norm when discussing proper wattage to vape at.

Even a HH-357 can't do this. (11.2 watts) Tastes about the same as 8 watts on my 357 ... just more of it.

 

[Jerms]

That is because of the quantity of liquid being vaporized. The coils in my RBA's stay very wet, and this cools the coil.

Exactly what I was thinking. When people say the juice is burning above 10 watts on a disposable atty,it's not the juice burning, but the coil quickly dries out which causes it to heat red hot, much hotter than the same watts pushed through a consistantly wet coil, hence dry hit instead of burning juice. Wicking really comes into play for people who enjoy high wattage vaping. I just tried an 11 watt vape on my VAMO (about as high as it will go without stacking batts) with a dripping RBA. The banana tobacco tastes perfectly fine, with a slight muting of the banana.

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