On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

Status
Not open for further replies.

chanelvaps

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 3, 2013
16,030
85,307
Burbank CAlifornia
Hey, a LOT of the folks I hang with swear by it. Just not my cup of tea. For me it is like the difference between a Stick Shift and an Automatic. I just want to hit a button and vape, squaonking I have to "think" about.
EXACTLY! I am afraid I will forget to squonk and get burnt hits
 
  • Like
Reactions: mikepetro

sofarsogood

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Oct 12, 2014
5,553
14,168
And yet their products are only used in ecig power supplies. what the FDA refers to as "batteries".
We will see how they fare.
I'm sure the FDA has said that these restrictions only apply to products sold in America. Evolv and any of the E-liquid companies will be free to make anything they want so long as it's for export only. Americans are rich but represent only 4% of the world's smokers. We might see American products exported and then smuggle back in. This is all Looney Tunes.

( I started using speech recognition when Dragon Naturally Speaking was a new product. Google speech recognition is amazingly good.)
 

coolerat

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 20, 2015
2,401
8,361
Verona,NY
Maybe if you live in Ocala, Fl you might be ok in the short term, but for those of us that live in socialist states (I'm in NY) are accustomed to having the rug pulled out from under us.
I couldn't give a hoot about having the latest and greatest, in fact my 'hoarding' purchases are what many would consider to be outdated - mechanical mods and Kayfun tanks.
It's stuff I would have bought anyway, especially the nicotine, I'm just buying it all sooner than I would have.
Thing is, apart from a short term financial burden, I'm not inconveniencing myself by stocking up.
If (as I suspect) bulk nicotine becomes unavailable to regular folk or is heavily taxed, I stand to save myself a LOT of hassle and/or money.
If it doesn't, then it just means I won't have to buy nicotine, which is also good.

It comes down to this: what is the worst possible outcome of being wrong?

If I'm wrong, then the worst possible outcome is that some new technology could come out before August 8th make my current stash obsolete (not unusable mind you, just obsolete).

If you're wrong, you could end up being stuck with cigalikes or paying significantly more for your gear/juice.

Buying everything I need (except PG, VG, wire, cotton) has cost me around $250, and would not go to waste even if the deeming regs completely disappeared.

Cheap insurance indeed.


Insurance isn't even the way to discuss this.

If you pay your insurance and nothing happens your out the money.

Year after year after year.

Buying ahead on nic and such costs nothing extra. Your gonna use it anyway.

The bottom line is if you prep the worst that can happen is you never spend another dime vaping.
 

Robert Cromwell

Moved On
ECF Veteran
Feb 16, 2015
14,009
65,472
elsewhere
Does anyone really think buying vaping stuff is going to get any cheaper? Except for some going out of business sales in the future...

And ALL vape equipment is obsolete in 3 months tops.
I like obsolete if it works for me. Much cheaper than the bleeding edge and the bugs have been worked out.
 

Yiana

Ultra Member
Nov 20, 2015
2,210
4,723
Planet Earth
Insurance isn't even the way to discuss this.

If you pay your insurance and nothing happens your out the money.

Year after year after year.

Buying ahead on nic and such costs nothing extra. Your gonna use it anyway.

The bottom line is if you prep the worst that can happen is you never spend another dime vaping.

And just think of all the money you will save over the years because of it. You could not have put it any better.

Does anyone really think buying vaping stuff is going to get any cheaper? Except for some going out of business sales in the future...

And ALL vape equipment is obsolete in 3 months tops.
I like obsolete if it works for me. Much cheaper than the bleeding edge and the bugs have been worked out.

Exactly, if vaping survives beyond cigalikes, it is going to be beyond expensive. The companies have to recoop all the money they had to pay to the fda to get it approved. Think of how when there is a new fda approved drug, it is so insanely expensive. There are no profits until the money is replenshed from all the testing and money to get it approved.
 

r055co

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 24, 2015
1,948
5,797
Seattle
Exactly, if vaping survives beyond cigalikes, it is going to be beyond expensive. The companies have to recoop all the money they had to pay to the fda to get it approved. Think of how when there is a new fda approved drug, it is so insanely expensive. There are no profits until the money is replenshed from all the testing and money to get it approved.

hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg


Not to mention the TAXES
 

r055co

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 24, 2015
1,948
5,797
Seattle
HMM good point will Indian Reservations come under the auspices of the FDA?
I expect that they will.

but the tax angle for as long as it lasts....
Heh, they would actually be really smart to do that.
I wonder if the Indian reserves near me will add tax free eJuice to their cigarette/cigar businesses?:facepalm:

The Government will raid them just like they did/do with Tobacco

Federal agents conduct raid on Seneca territory in western New York
 

r055co

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 24, 2015
1,948
5,797
Seattle
Damn. I thought they could see tax free cigarettes on their reservation. Was it because they sent them out of state to Kansas City?
Nope, not while there's money involved and there is a lot of money involved with Tobacco. Now that they've classified Vaping (even with 0 nic) as tobacco it's coming down.

I live in Washington State, it's a class C felony to not only sell but buy tobacco online or out of state and bring back into the state.

If people don't believe the States won't apply that to Vaping now that it's been classified as Tobacco they're seriously deluding themselves.
 

r055co

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 24, 2015
1,948
5,797
Seattle
Here's another story of ATF raid and a $58 million judgement for back taxes on tribal land.
So does anyone actually believe they won't do this to juice makers now that it's been classified as Tobacco?
People seriously need to wake up to reality, pull their heads out and hammer their Congressmen and Representatives REGULARLY! Let them know this will directly affect who you vote for and also who you will actively campaign to remove from office.

$58 Million Judgment Adds To Woes Of Cigarette Maker On Yakama Reservation
 

Yiana

Ultra Member
Nov 20, 2015
2,210
4,723
Planet Earth
Nope, not while there's money involved and there is a lot of money involved with Tobacco. Now that they've classified Vaping (even with 0 nic) as tobacco it's coming down.

I live in Washington State, it's a class C felony to not only sell but buy tobacco online or out of state and bring back into the state.

If people don't believe the States won't apply that to Vaping now that it's been classified as Tobacco they're seriously deluding themselves.

Damn that's harsh as hell! Class C felony just for trying to buy out of state not just sell to?
 

r055co

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 24, 2015
1,948
5,797
Seattle
Damn that's harsh as hell! Class C felony just for trying to buy out of state not just sell to?
Yep, it's all about the money, nothing else.

Direct quote of the Law:
(1) A person may not:
(a) Ship or transport, or cause to be shipped or transported, any tobacco product ordered or purchased by mail or through the internet to anyone in this state other than a licensed wholesale or retailer; or
(b) With knowledge or reason to know of the violation, provide substantial assistance to a person who is in violation of this section.
(2) (a) A person who knowingly violates subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a class C felony, except that the maximum fine that may be imposed is five thousand dollars.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/Session Law 2009/5340-S.SL.pdf

Like I said, if anyone doesn't believe the States won't use the FDA reg's they're seriously deluding themselves and need to wake up to reality.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread