On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[AXIOM_1]

Our 2 party system is a smoke and mirrors tool to distract us from the real problems.

exactly .. the right is full of criminals and so is the left.... corruption is throughout both parties..... We have a heck of a lot more to worry about other than our vaping habit....... try total economic collapse, invasion by isis, and a whole host of other horrid things that are about to befall us.

 

[GeorgeS]

"and any other product, regardless of form, that contains tobacco and is intended for human consumption or placement in the oral or nasal cavity or absorption into the human body by any other means"

How does this not include vape juice? I guess we are splitting hairs on "tobacco" and product extracted from tobacco (IE:nicotine).

I guess technically nothing vape related contains actual tobacco. It looks like the State of Washington is safe until vaping specific laws are enacted.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

exactly .. the right is full of criminals and so is the left.... corruption is throughout both parties..... We have a heck of a lot more to worry about other than our vaping habit....... try total economic collapse, invasion by isis, and a whole host of other horrid things that are about to befall us.

Lets not forget Nibiru!

 

[AXIOM_1]

Lets not forget Nibiru!

I worry more about the actions of people in general (corrupt politicians) than I do planetary bodies coming close/colliding with the earth..... Just look at what has happened to many once great countries when they were taken over by corrupt/vile politicians or dictators....... Germany comes to my mind........... One of the first things that happened is that the gun carrying public was disarmed. Once that happened then the people could not have resisted if they wanted to........... The only thing keeping us from total tyranny is the fact that millions of Americans are armed and can protect themselves against a tyrannical government. That's why we have the second amendment and why it was constructed in the first place............ They are trying to get our guns and have been for some time....if they succeed, then America will never be the same again and the criminal gvt. can basically become as vile and dictatorial as they desire..

 

[r055co]

Our 2 party system is a smoke and mirrors tool to distract us from the real problems.

In all reality it's actually a one party system, there really is no difference between the two.

 

[crxess]

Lets not forget Nibiru!

That would be the simplest solution, assuming direct contact. 1 and done. Instant revocation of all laws and those oppressed
Meet ya'll on the other side

 

[AXIOM_1]

In all reality it's actually a one party system, there really is no difference between the two.

very true indeed

 

[schatz]

I worry more about the actions of people in general (corrupt politicians) than I do planetary bodies coming close/colliding with the earth..... Just look at what has happened to many once great countries when they were taken over by corrupt/vile politicians or dictators....... Germany comes to my mind........... One of the first things that happened is that the gun carrying public was disarmed. Once that happened then the people could not have resisted if they wanted to........... The only thing keeping us from total tyranny is the fact that millions of Americans are armed and can protect themselves against a tyrannical government. That's why we have the second amendment and why it was constructed in the first place............ They are trying to get our guns and have been for some time....if they succeed, then America will never be the same again and the criminal gvt. can basically become as vile and dictatorial as they desire..

But one difference is there is more advanced technology on thier side now like no other time in history, makes you think huh ?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

In all reality it's actually a one party system, there really is no difference between the two.

Yepper. A big aspect of the smoke and mirrors.
Keep the masses fussing over supposed political ideology.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

But one difference is there is more advanced technology on thier side now like no other time in history, makes you think huh ?

Makes us easier to control.

 

[AXIOM_1]

But one difference is there is more advanced technology on thier side now like no other time in history, makes you think huh ?

yep, they sure do have advanced stuff that most folks are not aware of ...... But, there are about 200 million guns in the hands of Americans and it would get ugly real quick..... Plus, if the vast amount of people banded together then the large number of people would prevail no matter what they have (weapons) ..... Like the old saying goes .... "Criminals and socialists will take over whenever good Men/Women sit back and do nothing".... That is exactly what has been happening......... Very few people are standing up to what is occurring..... Therefor the criminals just keep getting more bold and doing more things to restrict us ......... The first time you stand up to those type of people then they run and hide like the cowards that they truly are.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

yep, they sure do have advanced stuff that most folks are not aware of ...... But, there are about 200 million guns in the hands of Americans and it would get ugly real quick..... Plus, if the vast amount of people banded together then the large number of people would prevail no matter what they have (weapons) ..... Like the old saying goes .... "Criminals and socialists will take over whenever good Men/Women sit back and do nothing".... That is exactly what has been happening......... Very few people are standing up to what is occurring..... Therefor the criminals just keep getting more bold and doing more things to restrict us ......... The first time you stand up to those type of people then they run and hide like the cowards that they truly are.

But those with guns are FAR more susceptible to control than they realize....
They will be used against their own best interests by those in power.
At least the vast majority of them will be.

 

[AXIOM_1]

But hose with guns are FAR more susceptible to control than they realize....
They will be used against their own best interests by those in power.
At least the vast majority of them will be.

That is correct ..... But, the LARGEST problem that is occurring is that many citizens are not even aware of what our gvt. is doing or that they are even corrupt...... With a great many of the citizens "mentally asleep" then the masses are very easy to manipulate and control, especially when the main stream media is being controlled and spits out false propaganda.... The best way to fight is to spread the word and help wake people up...... The more people that become aware, then the more power the people have.....

 

[Robert Cromwell]

That is correct ..... But, the LARGEST problem that is occurring is that many citizens are not even aware of what our gvt. is doing or that they are even corrupt...... With a great many of the citizens "mentally asleep" then the masses are very easy to manipulate and control, especially when the main stream media is being controlled and spits out false propaganda.... The best way to fight is to spread the word and help wake people up...... The more people that become aware, then the more power the people have.....

I figure that 10% or less are really 'aware'. the vast majority of people think they are but they are mistaken.
And they refuse to change.
We are on a downhill slide and it will continue for quite a while.

 

[ENAUD]

yep, they sure do have advanced stuff that most folks are not aware of ...... But, there are about 200 million guns in the hands of Americans and it would get ugly real quick..... Plus, if the vast amount of people banded together then the large number of people would prevail no matter what they have (weapons) ..... Like the old saying goes .... "Criminals and socialists will take over whenever good Men/Women sit back and do nothing".... That is exactly what has been happening......... Very few people are standing up to what is occurring..... Therefor the criminals just keep getting more bold and doing more things to restrict us ......... The first time you stand up to those type of people then they run and hide like the cowards that they truly are.

Or they exert their dominance over dissenters with extreme prejudice. All they need to do is label them terrorists. There will be no uprising unless the machine of the govmt. industrial complex starts unraveling at the seams.

 

[schatz]

Also alot of what is being overlooked, dont mean to hijack this thread, is over population. Too many rats in a cage and watch what happens, I know we think we are civilized and all and we would never act like that but look whats happening and nobody wants to address the root of most fo our problems.

 

[schatz]

Oh by the way Happy Fathers day to everyone that is me included.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Also alot of what is being overlooked, dont mean to hijack this thread, is over population. Too many rats in a cage and watch what happens, I know we think we are civilized and all and we would never act like that but look whats happening and nobody wants to address the root of most fo our problems.

The root of our problems is that we (well most of us) are humans.

 

[zoiDman]

"and any other product, regardless of form, that contains tobacco and is intended for human consumption or placement in the oral or nasal cavity or absorption into the human body by any other means"

How does this not include vape juice? I guess we are splitting hairs on "tobacco" and product extracted from tobacco (IE:nicotine).

I guess technically nothing vape related contains actual tobacco. It looks like the State of Washington is safe until vaping specific laws are enacted.

It Isn't Splitting Hairs. It is making a Fundamental Determination of whether or not a Law applies to something.

Nicotine is Not Tobacco. It can be Derived from Tobacco. Or you can say that Nicotine can be Found in Tobacco. But Nicotine is Not Tobacco.

So if a Law only applies to a product that Contains tobacco, an e-Liquid that contain Nicotine would not be Subject to that Law.

But where it Gets Ugly is when a Law(s) reference a "Tobacco Product". What Exactly is the Legal Definition of a Tobacco Product?

And the HUGE Question that has Lawyers/Legislators chomping at the bit is can a State use the Statutory Definition that the FDA has applied to include e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids as Tobacco Products, for the purpose of FDA Regulations, for the purpose of State Laws?

Many Argue that the FDA inclusion of e-Liquids that contain Nicotine derived from Tobacco Plants as Tobacco Products can be used by States. But also Argue that Nicotine that came from Other Sources or is Synthetic can Not. And the FDA's inclusion of Hardware or 0mg e-Liquids as Tobacco Products is Regulatory Overreach in the Purest Sense.

So it gets back to the HUGE Question. How far can a State apply the FDA's Definition of a Tobacco Product?

I believe that the Core of Tobacco Product Legal Challenges will be the wording from the FSTCA relating to "Derived From" tobacco.

 

[r055co]

A very, very good 4 part series that was put out by the BBC a few years ago was "The Century of the Self". Puts everything in line and order that shows how the people have been manipulated by Governments and the powers controlling the Governments. 4 one hour segments, should be able to find it on Youtube, I very highly recommend watching it. Puts the pieces together very well.