On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[Burn_notice_fan_NY]

Here ya go:

On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

Thanks!

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I think that nic needs to be in plastic for shipping concerns.

NO.

 

[440BB]

I'm surprised that there seem to be just the normal Fourth of July sales for the most part. Nobody seems to have run up their prices but few seem to be clearing out much stock either.

With the recent increased demand for nic, it's nice to see RTS have a sale. One can get two liters of 100mg plus the needed 120ml or 250ml glass bottles for about $100 shipped. Pretty reasonable stocking up option for those who haven't with just over a month left before the regs take effect.

 

[DaveP]

Long list of July 4th vape deals.
July 4th Vape Deals List 2016! - Best Vape Deals - Cheap Vape Mods, Tanks & eJuice | Vaping Cheap

 

[dcdozer]

I'm getting all plastic (no glass) when ordering from Nude this year. Don't know if it's related, but just my experience.

If you order NN "armor" it comes in glass. The armor choices (v1, 2, and 3) are at the bottom of the nic base page.

 

[nk__]

The nic-site-that-cant-be-linked has a buy 1 liquid get 1 free offer for July 4 - extra cost is paying shipping for both.

 

[cocacola31173]

Kinda changing the topic but I have found on fasttech where I can get the post screws for the Kayfun Lite Plus but can't find where I can get the fill hole screws and the the little o ring for it also. Some of mine are getting wore out and leaking a bit. Does anyone know the size and where I might can pick some up? Thanks!

 

[Rossum]

I still don't feel secure enough (maybe one never does?)

With 40 years worth of nic put away, I have no worries.

NOW THIS is what I WANT!!!
55 US Gallon Drum of 100 mg Flavorless Nicotine Liquid

Anyone wanna go in on the FIRSTORDER 20% discount with me lol*?

*it's listed for $8000.00 so yeah, maybe not. But a girls gotta dream, amirite?

Hmm, some quick back of the envelope arithmetic indicates that would last me more than 500 years. I do not expect to live that long. Then there's the additional cost of the walk-in freezer that would be required to store it. So I think I'll pass.

 

[coilspotting]

I'm surprised that there seem to be just the normal Fourth of July sales for the most part. Nobody seems to have run up their prices but few seem to be clearing out much stock either.

With the recent increased demand for nic, it's nice to see RTS have a sale. One can get two liters of 100mg plus the needed 120ml or 250ml glass bottles for about $100 shipped. Pretty reasonable stocking up option for those who haven't with just over a month left before the regs take effect.

They also have an, errm, higher-octane option too.

 

[coilspotting]

If you order NN "armor" it comes in glass. The armor choices (v1, 2, and 3) are at the bottom of the nic base page.

I did - I've bought both a v2 and v3 from NN and while the caps were different, the containers were plastic. And maybe they're just overworked, but they totally bungled my order in general, sending the wrong armor version for one of them. I switched to Wizard, but it was really only because they have gallon sizes. I actually prefer NN to all but the-site-that-mustn't-be-named, in general; I feel their quality is very very high.

 

[Rossum]

I did - I've bought both a v2 and v3 from NN and while the caps were different, the containers were plastic. And maybe they're just overworked, but they totally bungled my order in general, sending the wrong armor version for one of them. I switched to Wizard, but it was really only because they have gallon sizes. I actually prefer NN to all but the-site-that-mustn't-be-named, in general; I feel their quality is very very high.

Hmm, V1 and V2 are supposed to be in glass. V3 isn't.

Over the past two and a half years, I've placed more than a dozen orders with NN. I had a problem with one of those orders. I documented it with some photos and e-mailed them. They replaced it forthwith.

 

[dcdozer]

I did - I've bought both a v2 and v3 from NN and while the caps were different, the containers were plastic. And maybe they're just overworked, but they totally bungled my order in general, sending the wrong armor version for one of them. I switched to Wizard, but it was really only because they have gallon sizes. I actually prefer NN to all but the-site-that-mustn't-be-named, in general; I feel their quality is very very high.

Wow. Mine have all been glass. I've noticed that they've been putting less and less tape around the lid, and the extra little plastic bags they put each bottle in disappeared, so clearly they are slammed. But plastic I haven't seen. Which version of armor are you ordering? I've been getting v2.

 

[WillyZee]

Kinda changing the topic but I have found on Fasttech where I can get the post screws for the Kayfun Lite Plus but can't find where I can get the fill hole screws and the the little o ring for it also. Some of mine are getting wore out and leaking a bit. Does anyone know the size and where I might can pick some up? Thanks!

Kayfun Replacement O-rings and Screws! | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[dcdozer]

Hmm, V1 and V2 are supposed to be in glass. V3 isn't.

Over the past two and a half years, I've placed more than a dozen orders with NN. I had a problem with one of those orders. I documented it with some photos and e-mailed them. They replaced it forthwith.

2 bottles of my first order were shattered. They replaced immediately no questions asked.

 

[dcdozer]

Wow. Mine have all been glass. I've noticed that they've been putting less and less tape around the lid, and the extra little plastic bags they put each bottle in disappeared, so clearly they are slammed. But plastic I haven't seen. Which version of armor are you ordering? I've been getting v2.

Never mind the question, reading this on my phone and just saw you said v2 and 3.

 

[Str8vision]

Ok, I think I might have to create a gofundme for vapocolypse supplies. Less than $250 will get me there(considering that I haven't bought anything but a liter of 100mg nic, and this total includes 3 more liters of nic). Moving and a sick wife are straining my finances...grrr...

On another note, the only thing I can think of that I hadn't already put on the list is FW Extreme Ice flavoring(I end up using about 2% in my ADV). Not sure of any decent non-vaping related alternative.

You should still have plenty of time, likely till late in 2018. Between now and then some vendors will close (seeing that already), while others will slowly begin reducing the number of flavors (e-liquids) they offer. I expect prices will begin to increase in the late 2017 to mid 2018 timeframe as vendors still in business seek to recoup FDA application and associated compliance costs. Mods, attys and gear will be OK through 2018 and newer versions/tech should be obtainable from China which is where I normally purchase most of my gear. The real problem (the reason I chose to stockpile early) is individual states may begin passing laws shortly after this August when everything has been -legally deemed- a "Tobacco product". Face-2-face transaction requirements (no internet/mail order purchases), excise taxes, partial bans or restrictions and etc are distinct possibilities many of us could suddenly/unexpectedly face. Illinois, Arkansas and Utah provides a glimpse of what the future holds in store and they're just getting started. I fear the impact of state legislation even more than federal regulation....

 

[clnire]

These are the screws I got for Kayfun fill screws and they work just fine.

$0.80 Replacement Screws for Atomizers (10-Pack) 10-pack - M2*4mm thread size at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

or was it these....

$2.11 Replacement Phillips Head Screws for Atomizers (50-Pack) - M2.5*5mm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

cheap enough, I have both...

I got o-rings at

2mm X 1mm Metric Buna-N 70 O-ring
Metric O-rings - Cross Section "CS" X Inside Diameter "ID" Nitrile, Buna-N O-Rings (NBR)

 

[coilspotting]

VapeHappy having 15% holiday "fire sale", use code:
USA15

 

[coilspotting]

You should still have plenty of time, likely till late in 2018. Between now and then some vendors will close (seeing that already), while others will slowly begin reducing the number of flavors (e-liquids) they offer. I expect prices will begin to increase in the late 2017 to mid 2018 timeframe as vendors still in business seek to recoup FDA application and associated compliance costs. Mods, attys and gear will be OK through 2018 and newer versions/tech should be obtainable from China which is where I normally purchase most of my gear. The real problem (the reason I chose to stockpile early) is individual states may begin passing laws shortly after this August when everything has been -legally deemed- a "Tobacco product". Face-2-face transaction requirements (no internet/mail order purchases), excise taxes, partial bans or restrictions and etc are distinct possibilities many of us could suddenly/unexpectedly face. Illinois, Arkansas and Utah provides a glimpse of what the future holds in store and they're just getting started. I fear the impact of state legislation even more than federal regulation....

Most vendors ARE NOT going to be able to afford the FDA app costs. The costs for the longitudinal studies alone is as much or more than the yearly gross for many of the smaller companies ($1M+ US per study). I would absolutely NOT count on having all that time, personally. Many will have to just sell out their inventory and fold.

But I COMPLETELY AGREE with your assessment of the individual states being bad actors here. Several (including mine, WA) are jumping the gun already and beginning to push onerous and restrictive legislation AHEAD of 8/8. There's virtually no limitations on what they can do, and we'll have to fight them after the fact, which will take forever. So whatever else you do, CALL and WRITE and TWEET your state congressbeasts and let them know "I VAPE AND I VOTE", and ask your national representatives to support Cole-Bishop and HR 2058, TODAY.

Ok, TODAY is Saturday, but you can still leave a message

 

[Bob Chill]

Most vendors ARE NOT going to be able to afford the FDA app costs. The costs for the longitudinal studies alone is as much or more than the yearly gross for many of the smaller companies ($1M+ US per study). I would absolutely NOT count on having all that time, personally. Many will have to just sell out their inventory and fold.

But I COMPLETELY AGREE with your assessment of the individual states being bad actors here. Several (including mine, WA) are jumping the gun already and beginning to push onerous and restrictive legislation AHEAD of 8/8. There's virtually no limitations on what they can do, and we'll have to fight them after the fact, which will take forever. So whatever else you do, CALL and WRITE and TWEET your state congressbeasts and let them know "I VAPE AND I VOTE", and ask your national representatives to support Cole-Bishop and HR 2058, TODAY.

Ok, TODAY is Saturday, but you can still leave a message

PMTA's don't have to be submitted for 2 years. Product listings and such are due in Dec I think. Vendors can still operate as normal for a while as long as they comply with age verification and labeling requirements.

There will be some consolidation shortly but not an implosion. As stated above, States will likely continue to do dumb stuff in the mean time.