When I quit smoking 2.5yrs ago, I was doing 2+ packs a day. Started vaping at 18mg. Started DIY about 2 years ago. I dropped down from 18mg to 1mg over a 2 yr period. Dropped it 1/3 mg at a time every 2nd batch. Never really noticed the difference. Not sure if I will go any lower. At this level, I have enough nic for over 15 years.
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Completely Average, your statement is patently untrue.
The degree of an individual's addiction to nicotine (ranging from "not-at-all" to "have-to-have-more-than-life-itself") is due to a variety of factors, the most important of which is the genetic makeup of the individual.
This holds true with many other addictive substances as well, particularly including the opioids.
There have been several peer-rewiewed studies published on nicotine addiction that show clearly that between 15 and 20% of the population is in the "have-to-have-more-than-life-itself" cohort.
You may have lowered yourself to 0 nicotine, and you may have tricked your wife into doing so, but I submit that you've only demonstrated that both of you aren't in that 15% to 20% cohort.
We're all humans, with a wide range of variability. We're not cookie-cutter robots.
Don't you know wives know everything whether they say anything or not.I have a spare bedroom with a nice, comfy queen sized bed and television. I'm good.
By the time she figures it out her nic level will be so low that it won't matter anyways. I've got to make a new batch for her this weekend while she's out of town on a business trip. She'll come back and be vaping juice with just half the nicotine that she thinks she is.
sorry if already posted,, it showed up as new news in my feed
Altria urges FDA to loosen planned e-cig regulations for public health benefit
Altria urges FDA to loosen planned e-cig regulations for public health benefit
I think the original mention of vaping 0 mg was about temporarily vaping 0 mg to pass an insurance drug test, not to go completely to 0 mg.
We could just send each other vape porn. Pictures should still be legal.
Let me ask you something.
If you were on a ship that wrecked and left youy marooned alone on an island with no access to any form of nicotine, do you think you would die due to the lack of nicotine?
If you don't think the lack of nicotine would kill you then can you explain why you think you couldn't live without it voluntarily?
I can't think of a single case in all of human history where someone has died from a LACK of nicotine. Therefore living without it is always an option. Like I said, you may CHOOSE otherwise, but if that choice was taken from you, you would not die from a lack of it.
The difference is your hypothetical island probably doesn't have alternative sources of nicotine in the form of combustible tobacco products readily available just about everywhere, does it?
I'm not worried that I would die without nicotine. I'm worried that I would return to smoking.
Six years ago, if I was offered a choice which kept me from smoking permanently for a few hundred dollars, I would have happily done so. Maybe even for a thousand.
I now have paid up and the deal is done. Not smoking is worth every penny.
I now have paid up and the deal is done. Not smoking is worth every penny.
nobody was more addicted to nic than me. I chain smoked cigs. 2+ pack a day habit. Enter vaping. I went from 24mg to 12mg to 6mg about a year apart each. Each time I switched I just started buying the lower nic and adding to the massive collection of the higher nic. Vaping both until I only had 6mg left in massive collection. It is totally a mental thing. Now 24mg taste horrible to me and makes me feel sick. I do chain vape when I can, do not when I cannot.
It's all about choice, can you live without sugar, caffeine, alcohol, etc? Of course you can, but a lot of people choose not to for one simple reason. We enjoy it and one has to make life liveable
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Yes. As with anything, it's genetics, parents, society, circumstances are to blame, not the person. Obvious.
Wait a sec, I have never "blamed" my addiction on anyone else, not BT, not my parents, not society. I own it, no one else!
Yes, I do believe it is true that some individuals are more prone to becoming addicted than others. I believe myself to a part of that subset. I see it in a lot of areas in my life. I dont know if that predisposition is genetic or what, but I do know I am different than the average Joe. As a recovering drunk, who hasnt had a drop in 28 years, I know there is huge difference between me and someone who can casually have a dinner cocktail and not think about it again. I am assuming nicotine is in that same bucket.
Nonetheless, whatever my predispositions, I alone own them.........
I am a very addictive person, hard drugs at one time. Quitting those was easier than quitting nicotine. Also allowed myself pain pills a few times ( at surgeries) while RECOVERED from the drug addiction and just keep the mindset that they had to be put down in a few days. I would NEVER let myself be on them for more than a couple of days for fear of the cliff nearby. I am pretty sure I have switched my addiction to cookies today and one day I will tackle that too. I am beginning to think my genetics help me want to be addicted to something.
I also believe, as humans, we all reach too often for the thing that gives us a warm fuzzy, rather it be drugs, coffee, nic or cake
I tried the patch, the gum, abstinence etc and nothing helped me give up cigs until vaping. Thank you my vape, I LOVE YOU
I also believe, as humans, we all reach too often for the thing that gives us a warm fuzzy, rather it be drugs, coffee, nic or cake
I tried the patch, the gum, abstinence etc and nothing helped me give up cigs until vaping. Thank you my vape, I LOVE YOU
I agree that each person it totally unique as to how they tolerate nic. People change over time and we all do it at our own speed. When I was in my 20's I used to drink a minimum of 5 cups of coffee a day. Sometimes much more. Over the last 10 years I've gone from just 2 a day down to 1. It wasn't really a conscious decision. It just happened.
When I started vaping I was at 18mg. I used to get headaches so I switched to 12. At first I vaped quite a bit more mls than the 18 but over time I slowly vaped less. Again, not a conscious decision. I work at home so I can vape all day. I started DIY in late 2013. As an experiment I went to 10mg. No change in consumption. Then 6 months later I went to 8. No change in consumption. Then I went to 6mg. Made zero difference. I like 3-6mg because I can chain vape all I want with no headaches. But can also get a quick fix no problem and put it down for hours.
Considering how addicted I was to cigs (pack+/day of marlboro reds) it really surprised me that I could just arbitrarily reduce nic over time. There was no way I could smoke less than 15 cigs a day and still feel "right in the head".
My wife is quite different. She started @ 24mg and settled @ 18mg in 2013. I mixed her 15mg once and she didn't like it at all. 18mg is where she is and will probably remain. We're both unique just like everyone on this forum.
My only argument against nic addiction vs habit/dependence is that addicition almost exclusively means increase in consumption over time or stable baseline that never goes down. I don't see nic in the same light as alcohol or drug addiction. It's much more like caffeine in my opinion. A habit/dependence at worst. With little harm to boot.
When I started vaping I was at 18mg. I used to get headaches so I switched to 12. At first I vaped quite a bit more mls than the 18 but over time I slowly vaped less. Again, not a conscious decision. I work at home so I can vape all day. I started DIY in late 2013. As an experiment I went to 10mg. No change in consumption. Then 6 months later I went to 8. No change in consumption. Then I went to 6mg. Made zero difference. I like 3-6mg because I can chain vape all I want with no headaches. But can also get a quick fix no problem and put it down for hours.
Considering how addicted I was to cigs (pack+/day of marlboro reds) it really surprised me that I could just arbitrarily reduce nic over time. There was no way I could smoke less than 15 cigs a day and still feel "right in the head".
My wife is quite different. She started @ 24mg and settled @ 18mg in 2013. I mixed her 15mg once and she didn't like it at all. 18mg is where she is and will probably remain. We're both unique just like everyone on this forum.
My only argument against nic addiction vs habit/dependence is that addicition almost exclusively means increase in consumption over time or stable baseline that never goes down. I don't see nic in the same light as alcohol or drug addiction. It's much more like caffeine in my opinion. A habit/dependence at worst. With little harm to boot.
Sadly we now seem to live in a society that won't/can't accept the fact that once we reach adulthood we are responsible for our choices be they good or bad. Some seem to think that someone/something else is to blame for their bad choices and the bad things they do in life. I chose to smoke. The big bad tobacco companies didn't force me to use their products. No one held me down and forced me to start smoking.
We are living in a me, me, and me society and one where folks would rather blame someone else than accept that the blame is on their own shoulders. That is one of the main reasons that things like this deeming mess will get passed because there are to many of those that are happy to be taken care of by someone else instead of standing up and taking care of themselves. They have given the government permission to do whatever it takes so they don't have to take care of themselves. I am glad I am on the downhill side of life because the one I see today is not the same place I was born into. Whatever happened to personally responsibility. The kids today get a trophy just for showing up. What is that teaching them
We are living in a me, me, and me society and one where folks would rather blame someone else than accept that the blame is on their own shoulders. That is one of the main reasons that things like this deeming mess will get passed because there are to many of those that are happy to be taken care of by someone else instead of standing up and taking care of themselves. They have given the government permission to do whatever it takes so they don't have to take care of themselves. I am glad I am on the downhill side of life because the one I see today is not the same place I was born into. Whatever happened to personally responsibility. The kids today get a trophy just for showing up. What is that teaching them
I think of an addiction as something that you fear you cannot go without, cannot say NO to and requires coping skills to quit. Physical and mental addiction are different of course. Physical addictions are not pretty and best to have a trash can nearby to puke in
Good work Mike. Tell people loud and proud
. I'll be sober 25 yrs next month.Doesn't seem to matter if it's booze, food, sex or some chemical stimulation, if I like it I like it a lot!
I agree some people are just wired to over do and I own all my character defects.
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