On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[Robert Cromwell]

They were not previously considered tobacco products is the point. No reason to treat them as tobacco products before they were deemed so.

But the NC law specifically mentions vaping products.

 

[salemgold]

Looks like flavored ecigs will be allowed so there is even less reason to think that flavors will be an issue.

White House OMB scrapped FDA plan to ban flavors

 

[MMW]

Looks like flavored ecigs will be allowed so there is even less reason to think that flavors will be an issue.

White House OMB scrapped FDA plan to ban flavors

Thank you for this link.

 

[Bob Chill]

I'm in the same boat folks. I'm doing it all this month. I'm not very picky about hardware. Kayfuns are good for me forever. I have a FT order coming tomorrow (took 3 weeks) with kayfuns and pico's and other assorted stuff. If I like the Kayfuns I'm just going to buy 20 of them + parts and call it a wrap. I'm probably going to by 10-15 Pico's + some Cloupor mini's. I know they have a board and won't last forever. If I can get 2 years out of each then so be it. I have mechs already that I don't use but will if I have to.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Yup, and it's really starting to effect me with stress and I'm really getting tired of the whole thing.

Unwatching threads like thins can help.

 

[Rossum]

stress

Two plus years ago, when the Deeming was first proposed/published, I was stressed. It had only been a few months since the miracle of vaping got me off a 36 year old 2 PAD habit in less than one week, and I only had a single liter of nic in my freezer.

But I figured I had a year or so before the bureaucrats could possibly get their act together and their nonsense would take effect. It ended up taking twice that long, and I made the most of it. So stressed now? Nope.

Upset that others in the future won't have the same opportunity I did? Yes, very much so.

 

[Bonskibon]

Unwatching threads like thins can help.

True, but at the same time I want to know any updates and sometimes people will post something I haven't thought of.

 

[salemgold]

Thank you for this link.

No problem. Just trying to point out that there is another way to view things as far as flavors are concerned. I was just looking at TFA site and nothing there claims that their use is intended for anything but food flavors.

Scroll down to find flavors that are ready to use in many applications such as:
Baking
Candy-Making
Carbonated water (soda flavors) and many other applications that have fun with flavors!

The flavors that we sell are "food-safe", made in the U.S, and conform to current Food Industry standards.

 

[mikepetro]

Winter is Coming!

Quotes from yesterdays FDA document

We expect that asserting our authority over these tobacco products will enable us to propose further regulatory action in the future as appropriate

We note, however, that FDA is not banning any type of tobacco product, so we expect current classes
of products to be available under the final rule, although there may be some loss of product variety and price increases for some products.

Potential substitution towards black market or do-it-yourself products could affect the public health benefits of this final rule. We are unable to predict the likelihood or size of this effect.

It is likely that some manufacturers within each particular industry segment will be able to bear the burden of complying with the regulation and it is therefore highly unlikely that all entities or products within a ny segment would choose to exit.

We continue to assume a substantial amount of product consolidation and exit will occur as a result of regulation

we expect most vape shops that currently mix e- liquids will convert to a retail model

We do, however, forecast that most vape shops will cease to engage in mixing or
other manufacturing activities

At most, a handful of ENDS products may have been on the market as of February 15, 2007.
Therefore, nearly all ENDS products will be subject to premarket review

We expect a much larger share of ENDS products to exit rather than submit a
premarket application.

we expect that one percent of ENDS devices may be grandfathered. We also assume
54 percent of delivery systems and somewhere between 50 and 87.5 percent of e-liquids
will not submit a marketing application and will exit the market

we forecast that annual submissions for new products seeking marketing authorization will be between 5 and 10 percent of the number of products that will remain on themarket

Overall average cost per PMTA= $466,563

We do, however, expect there to be a substantial amount of product exit for certain product categories, such as ENDS

The ENDS market would be subject to the most severe disruption because flavors make up the majority of the market and there likely will not be any flavored grandfathered ENDS products.

And OMG!!!!! Look at the PMTA test section beginning on page 150.

 

[Qew]

Looks like flavored ecigs will be allowed so there is even less reason to think that flavors will be an issue.

White House OMB scrapped FDA plan to ban flavors

I am trying to see a positive in this, but it is not doing much for me. Stand alone liquids will have to get through the process before the flavor becomes the issue. I look at this as flavors contained in the cartridge will be allowed, for now, until they're not. How can a e-liquid get through the entire process without having FDA allowed devices to test them in?

Too much randomness is floating around in my head the past few days, I'm having a hard time fighting the depression this is causing. I'm going to write another round of letters today.

 

[Pamawoman]

Actually, yes

If you have Netflix then watch "Sugar Coated". About half of the back half includes our very own ANTZ zealot Glantz explaining how the anti-sugar zealots should use his ANTZ playbook to wreak havoc in the food store...[/QUOTE
Watch out Big Sugar. They run half of this state.

 

[satchvai]

Stocking up on Cleito s with the RTA option. Great tank. Oh, and a couple Gallons of nic

 

[chanelvaps]

Got something in the mail today, a survey from the cigarette company. Wants to know what brand I smoke. The final part of the survey asks about ecigs and if I prefer pen type like Vuse or something else. Under the something else it lists mod types. The cig companies are deciding what to promote I guess. I am not filling it out

 

[DancingHeretik]

I'm a little unsure. What about PV makers that do not submit any application? Do they have to stop selling their products in August? Do they have to put out the money for an application in order to buy some time?

 

[Paramaniac413]

I know, I am trying to rein myself in, but let's just say this is the first time in years I carried a balance on my CC and didn't pay it all off! LOL

I'm feeling the stress, too. Unfortunately I have to wait until I start my new job before I can get anything. lol


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[OcalaFlGuy]

Got something in the mail today, a survey from the cigarette company. Wants to know what brand I smoke. The final part of the survey asks about ecigs and if I prefer pen type like Vuse or something else. Under the something else it lists mod types. The cig companies are deciding what to promote I guess. I am not filling it out

I'd write a couple Smoking sentences to them on the survey about what I thought about BT and what bodily orifice they could slide their survey into.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Vandal]

I've been stressed out as well. Not sleeping, not able to concentrate, anxious... I will do all I know to be prepared, but I don't think it's ever going to feel like I did quite enough. It's very disconcerting, having the rug pulled out from under me as a vaper, but even worse is knowing how far our government can and will and be allowed to go on behalf of special interests (BT, BP, Monsanto,etc) contrary to the well-being of its citizens, and everywhere I look, that's all I see anymore.

 

[SleeZy]

I'm in the same boat folks. I'm doing it all this month. I'm not very picky about hardware. Kayfuns are good for me forever. I have a FT order coming tomorrow (took 3 weeks) with kayfuns and pico's and other assorted stuff. If I like the Kayfuns I'm just going to buy 20 of them + parts and call it a wrap. I'm probably going to by 10-15 Pico's + some Cloupor mini's. I know they have a board and won't last forever. If I can get 2 years out of each then so be it. I have mechs already that I don't use but will if I have to.

Sounds like me then! Been using mech + kayfun since... ages... And i'm perfectly happy with them.
I also DIY. However DIY might become hard (in sweden) So i might need to stock up on some Nic. Even more so since, sweden loves to be the worst, we might get it even worse than finland.
TPD Finland

These particularly

• Ban on all e-liquid tastes apart from tobacco
  Only tobacco-flavored e-liquids will be allowed for sale to prevent the attractiveness of the products to the youth and prevent children from drinking it. The ban also applies to nicotine-free liquids.
  
• Ban on all distance sales
  E-cigarettes, e-cigarette parts and e-liquids can only be bought at a physical store. You are not allowed to buy any of these from the web or otherwise, domestically or internationally.

 

[Bob Chill]

Sounds like me then! Been using mech + kayfun since... ages... And i'm perfectly happy with them.
I also DIY. However DIY might become hard (in sweden) So i might need to stock up on some Nic. Even more so since, sweden loves to be the worst, we might get it even worse than finland.
TPD Finland

These particularly

It's global madness right now. Between out right bans like the ones in South America and Asia and the rapidly increasing harsh regulations makes me wonder if if sanity and common sense will ever prevail.

I've been using the same 3 Kayfun lites for the last 2 years. I've bought a few tanks since but none ever satisfy like the lites. They're not for everyone of course but they are bullet proof and simple to build on. I can do it in my sleep.

My order has the new v3 mini's in it. I need my wife to get away from disposable coil aerotank minis. If I like the performance I may use one as well for stealth and then order a bunch of the v3+ tanks that hold 3+mls.

 

[ENAUD]

Two plus years ago, when the Deeming was first proposed/published, I was stressed. It had only been a few months since the miracle of vaping got me off a 36 year old 2 PAD habit in less than one week, and I only had a single liter of nic in my freezer.

But I figured I had a year or so before the bureaucrats could possibly get their act together and their nonsense would take effect. It ended up taking twice that long, and I made the most of it. So stressed now? Nope.

Upset that others in the future won't have the same opportunity I did? Yes, very much so.

Pretty similar story here as well Rossum, back in 2014 I figured it was time to make preparations to keep going no matter what, one of the reasons I chose to stick with the Protank coils and load up on them, I can re-build them little suckers and make them last a really long time. Yesterday I ordered a bunch more packs at 4$ ea. Most of my re-buildable atties were gotten off the classies section, or bought in closeout sales. Over Memorial day weekend a vendor was blowing out a flavoring brand at 70% off.

I'm going to be watching for deep discount sales on things like flavoring and coils going forward, but at this time I can vape in an enjoyable fashion for many years to come. I hope as many vapers as possible can do the same. I too feel sad for the environment created and damage to the public perception of vaping that these damning regulations will impart.

FDA has misguidedly initiated a huge overall negative affect to the general health of the population of smokers, and to the children and loved ones of those smokers, by condemning the children of smokers to the exposure to their smoke.

#FDA hurts kids to stop adults from enjoying vaping.