On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[AXIOM_1]

I figure that 10% or less are really 'aware'. the vast majority of people think they are but they are mistaken.
And they refuse to change.
We are on a downhill slide and it will continue for quite a while.

Yep, we have been on a downhill slide for 4 to 5 decades........ We once had fairly good presidents as well as a good congress, but in the 50's we started getting people in the gvt. who wanted to change our capitalistic system and from then on corruption started building in the gvt and it has gotten worse with each presidential cycle....

The quick and fast way to fix the situation is too boot out all of the corrupt people in the district of criminals (DC).... But, that is not likely to ever happen.......... But, if people say nothing and do nothing, then it will definitely get way worse and much faster......... I don't have a very positive future outlook for the country, but I am also not going to sit back and say nothing like lots of folks do.

 

[r055co]

It Isn't Splitting Hairs. It is making a Fundamental Determination of whether or not a Law applies to something.

Nicotine is Not tobacco. It can be Derived from tobacco. Or you can say that Nicotine can be Found in tobacco. But Nicotine is Not Tobacco.

So if a Law only applies to a product that Contains tobacco, an e-Liquid that contain Nicotine would not be Subject to that Law.

But where it Gets Ugly is when a Law(s) reference a "Tobacco Product". What Exactly is the Legal Definition of a Tobacco Product?

And the HUGE Question that has Lawyers/Legislators chomping at the bit is can a State use the Statutory Definition that the FDA has applied to include e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids as Tobacco Products, for the purpose of FDA Regulations, for the purpose of State Laws?

Many Argue that the FDA inclusion of e-Liquids that contain Nicotine derived from Tobacco Plants as Tobacco Products can be used by States. But also Argue that Nicotine that came from Other Sources or is Synthetic can Not. And the FDA's inclusion of Hardware or 0mg e-Liquids as Tobacco Products is Regulatory Overreach in the Purest Sense.

So it gets back to the HUGE Question. How far can a State apply the FDA's Definition of a Tobacco Product?

I believe that the Core of Tobacco Product Legal Challenges will be the wording from the FSTCA relating to "Derived From" tobacco.

Labelling eJuice as tobacco is the same as labelling Coffee and Tea as Blow since they're an Alkaloid stimulant.

Thus focus needs to be done on throwing out the FDA jurisdiction over Vaping because the facts are Nicotine is "not" Tobacco period.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Oh by the way Happy Fathers day to everyone that is me included.

yep, happy fathers day! ..... I raised 4 step-children and have no bio-children and so I suppose that Fathers day applies to me as well

 

[schatz]

yep, happy fathers day! ..... I raised 4 step-children and have no bio-children and so I suppose that Fathers day applies to me as well

You betcha, Happy fathers day.

 

[zoiDman]

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Thus focus needs to be done on throwing out the FDA jurisdiction over Vaping because the facts are Nicotine is "not" Tobacco period.

I don't see that as Possible.

The FDA does have the Legal Authority to Regulate products that are Derived from Tobacco and used as Recreational Tobacco is used. And I don't see Congress, any Congress, changing that any time soon.

What we Need to do is Severely Reign In the FDA and get this Back to Science Based Policy Making.

 

[crxess]

I don't see that as Possible.

The FDA does have the Legal Authority to Regulate products that are Derived from Tobacco and used as Recreational Tobacco is used. And I don't see Congress, any Congress, changing that any time soon.

What we Need to do is Severely Reign In the FDA and get this Back to Science Based Policy Making.

However Congress has the right to override that Authority in Limiting their Reach.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

What we Need to do is Severely Reign In the FDA and get this Back to Science Based Policy Making.

And therein lies the problem. In recent decades our policies have little or nothing to do with science or facts and are more emotionally knee jerk and or money driven.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

However Congress has the right to override that Authority in Limiting their Reach.

Why would congress do that?
Congress is who gave them their reach.

 

[r055co]

I don't see that as Possible.

The FDA does have the Legal Authority to Regulate products that are Derived from Tobacco and used as Recreational Tobacco is used. And I don't see Congress, any Congress, changing that any time soon.

What we Need to do is Severely Reign In the FDA and get this Back to Science Based Policy Making.

Bottom line is they classify Vaping as tobacco due to it has nicotine, so with that logic Potato's, Tomatoes, Eggplant, Cauliflower, etc., etc. is Tobacco.

Push needs be on the threshold issue and that is it.

 

[zoiDman]

However Congress has the right to override that Authority in Limiting their Reach.

Congress not only has the Right, they have a Responsibility to Do So.

They are supposed to be part of the Check and Balance so that an agency like the FDA doesn't go Off the Reservation like they have with e-Cigarettes.

 

[zoiDman]

And therein lies the problem. In recent decades our policies have little or nothing to do with science or facts and are more emotionally knee jerk and or money driven.

Ding-Ding-Ding
Winner Winner!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Ding-Ding-Ding
Winner Winner!

Where is my Chicken Dinner?

 

[zoiDman]

Bottom line is they classify Vaping as tobacco due to it has nicotine, so with that logic Potato's, Tomatoes, Eggplant, Cauliflower, etc., etc. is Tobacco.

Push needs be on the threshold issue and that is it.

No. They are using the wording "Derived from Tobacco". Which I believe the SC would Uphold.

But that Sword Cuts Both Ways.

If their Authority is because something is Derived From Tobacco, the their Authority would End when an Items is Not Derived from Tobacco.

Such as ALL Hardware and of 0mg e-Liquids.

 

[zoiDman]

Where is my Chicken Dinner?

Sorry.

Due to Budget cuts, we had to Eliminate chicken dinners.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

No. They are using the wording "Derived from Tobacco". Which I believe the SC would Uphold.

But that Sword Cuts Both Ways.

If their Authority is because something is Derived From Tobacco, the their Authority would End when an Items is Not Derived from Tobacco.

Such as ALL Hardware and of 0mg e-Liquids.

Unless Cole Bishop passes and then they set standards for mods.
What is they use of have a big tank if mods are limited to 10 watts?

On the nicotine thing. I expect that synthetic nicotine would be treated as a drug since it is manufactured and not extracted from tobacco.
The only way around the tobacco nic thing would be to extract it from Tomatoes or something.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Sorry.

Due to Budget cuts, we had to Eliminate chicken dinners.

But I am ENTITLED to a chicken dinner!
LMAO

 

[zoiDman]

Unless Cole Bishop passes and then they set standards for mods.
What is they use of have a big tank if mods are limited to 10 watts?

On the nicotine thing. I expect that synthetic nicotine would be treated as a drug since it is manufactured and not extracted from tobacco.
The only way around the tobacco nic thing would be to extract it from Tomatoes or something.

I have asked this Many Times. And gotten Very Few answers.

If the Predicate Date was change to Mid 2014 in the Cole-Bishop Amendment, do you think it would have a Better Chance of making it thru Reconciliation?

And would you Support moving the Predicate date to Mid-2014?

 

[zoiDman]

But I am ENTITLED to a chicken dinner!
LMAO

You can Fill Out a DOCDF (Denial of Chick Dinner Forum) and send it in.

But JSYK, the wait time for a Judgment is currently 7 Years, 218 Days, 9 Hours and 42 Minutes.

 

[Haylon357]

My kids got me a Pico. I'm wondering how my 4 kiddos came up with the money.

At this point, I'm not asking how. Just glad I got another back up for my back up back up.............

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[AXIOM_1]

You betcha, Happy fathers day.

Thanks and happy fathers day to you too.