Ontario Ministry of Labour called upon for a ruling of unsafe work.
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Good point. and I wonder who will pick up the tab for the appeal. That will be heard by the Ontario Labour Relations Board. Now I'm not sure but I believe you are supposed to have legal representation there. If I were a member of that union I'd be crying foul!
If the pres of the union is one of the "aggressors",I`d be crying foul right now!
Conflict of interest!
Conflict of interest!
I've been crying foul for a while, no one wants to hear it. This has been the most awkwardly handled basket of turds I've ever tasted. This is why I'm seriously considering the media / courts approach. I'm getting no results trying to use the system as it's intended to operate - the system has failed.
With all due respect what will a media story do? Isn't the objective here to win rights for vapers? Get a lawyer so the union or anyone else for that matter doesn't try to bamboozle your case with gobbledy goop. The media will write the story the way they want to.
The A$$holes are going to fight this until the get the answer they want ............... so squash them like bugs early they tend to propagate.
Hell,the system always fails somewhat because some of the people that have that tiny bitsy bit of possible power tend to jump on any occasion to use it just for the hell of it,without thinking or measuring consequences.
I mean,I work at provincial gov level...been for 30+ yrs,seen it all.
My fun is to challenge so-called bosses that think they are superior because they have a nightclass diploma.
Most of the time they think they canned something,then I come in and offer 12 diff. new angles...hair pulling time every time.
Same goes for union people...i had a pres that kept pushing my issues (he once stretched an grief for 10 freakin years!--maximum allowed before settling).
Then at each and every elections,I was voting publicly and vocaly against him,to let him (and everybody else) know I was not a tard to be messed with.
He eventually resigned.
I mean,I work at provincial gov level...been for 30+ yrs,seen it all.
My fun is to challenge so-called bosses that think they are superior because they have a nightclass diploma.
Most of the time they think they canned something,then I come in and offer 12 diff. new angles...hair pulling time every time.
Same goes for union people...i had a pres that kept pushing my issues (he once stretched an grief for 10 freakin years!--maximum allowed before settling).
Then at each and every elections,I was voting publicly and vocaly against him,to let him (and everybody else) know I was not a tard to be messed with.
He eventually resigned.
Wow! I hope all works out.
This is crazy to me (non union), I just don't understand how people justify these wasteful (tax money), witch hunts.
If u are not vaping indoors, then who the f$&k cares. They should be at home in a bubble if they are so sensitive, the air most likely has more toxins then exhaled vape,
This is crazy to me (non union), I just don't understand how people justify these wasteful (tax money), witch hunts.
If u are not vaping indoors, then who the f$&k cares. They should be at home in a bubble if they are so sensitive, the air most likely has more toxins then exhaled vape,
Those people need to get a life.
Sorry if you've already given this info, but do they sit next to you? Do you know them well? What's the proximity of personal contact? What are the chances they will come in contact with your ejuice? Do any of them smoke?
At least the Labour Relations Board would have to read the studies and information you've provided. Somewhere along the line there has to be proof that their claims are justified. I hope you go all the way and fight this one!
Sorry if you've already given this info, but do they sit next to you? Do you know them well? What's the proximity of personal contact? What are the chances they will come in contact with your ejuice? Do any of them smoke?
At least the Labour Relations Board would have to read the studies and information you've provided. Somewhere along the line there has to be proof that their claims are justified. I hope you go all the way and fight this one!
Looks like I might get a crack at actually bringing some information to the table. After my acting president of my local hadn't responded to my email after a week, I forwarded it over his head (yesterday). I got a reply from a staff representative who said he wants to talk tomorrow, today he said he's doing some background work. The email I sent had a bunch of links to studies regarding E-Cigarettes, so hopefully, he's going to read some of that and maybe do some of his own research first. I've never met this representative, but I did some research on him, and he seems like a pretty straightforward, no BS kinda guy. I'll post back after we've had a chance to talk, and give you guys an update.
Man am I ever physicked for this. As Goat and I were talking today my union has pulled the "we aren't involved" BS line saying that this was all initiated by Goats union and therefore would not be taking any further action .... their in-action is plenty thank you very much.
This could go several ways and I too am interested to hear back on what will happen on this front. At least this is a union staffer and not an elected (acclaimed) member. He might indeed have some commonsense.
If anyone can dazzle him with facts, its you Goat. Break a leg! (figure of speech of course
) I'll be waiting for a text.
Well, I just got un-psyched, hard. I talked to the union staff rep, and he says we can't do anything until they outright ban all vaping products from the workplace. Not sure what to do now.... Suvunabish!
Did you ask him about the union executives continued pursuit to achieve that goal? Can't keep talking out of both sides of their mouth 
I did, he didn't want to talk about that subject, he just wanted to talk about the vaping policies.
So even though the employers policy is unjust, continues to wrongly label us as a danger, singles us out for special consideration, is impractical as it applies to us even using the devices ..... the union doesn't see that as a problem?? Bovine Excrement!
Maybe we should be appealing the MOL decision on those grounds, that the inspector imposed unnecessary restrictions on us given their endorsement that it was "unlikely to endanger".
Maybe we should be appealing the MOL decision on those grounds, that the inspector imposed unnecessary restrictions on us given their endorsement that it was "unlikely to endanger".
Slohand your Grandfather who started the first pulp & paper union in this country is rolling over in his grave.
So after the union staff rep called and said he didn't want to talk about misrepresentation, and said there's nothing they can do about the policy and the fact that it is harassment and discrimination, I emailed him a summary of our conversation and asked him to confirm... Well it's been 2 days now, he replied yesterday and said he's give me a call by thismorning. I replied that I'd prefer email communication, no reply back yet. I've been burned before with conversations that "never happened", so I prefer to have an email record. Seems like they don't want to go on record, heaven forbid they be accountable for their actions...
On a side note, I've been brainstorming the past couple of days some good slogans and / or art work that could be applied or printed on t-shirts, jacket patches, hats, toques etc...
Something like "I vape because everyone's health is my concern", "I'm a vaper, you're welcome", "vaping saved my life, the government wants to take it" etc...
These are just some ideas, I'd like to see what you guys can come up with! The idea is to get people's attention in a positive way that will get them talking, thinking, and asking questions. The more people that are well informed the better!
On a side note, I've been brainstorming the past couple of days some good slogans and / or art work that could be applied or printed on t-shirts, jacket patches, hats, toques etc...
Something like "I vape because everyone's health is my concern", "I'm a vaper, you're welcome", "vaping saved my life, the government wants to take it" etc...
These are just some ideas, I'd like to see what you guys can come up with! The idea is to get people's attention in a positive way that will get them talking, thinking, and asking questions. The more people that are well informed the better!
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