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Sun Vaporer

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Sure... but we have stated it a 100 times over and no one wants to listen.

It all goes back to the form letter that gets tossed around here like a monkey with poo. ;) The FDA does, in fact, have jurisdiction to stop "quit smoking devices" and "lung apparatus" from entering this country. It all goes to marketing and claims.

The WHO gave us our first warning in September of 2008. Don't market these as quit smoking devices because we cannot prove they are such. Noted. The FDA has had Christopher Kelly state that they are looking at these on a case by case basis. What does that mean? That means that they are looking at everything in the shipment. If your manual says "quit smoking", then yes, you do in fact have a "new drug".

No matter what anyone wants to think, the FDA has a right to step in on those who are marketing these as NRT's and I think they should. If you are going to make health claims and quit smoking claims, then you should be held to the rules of the FDA.

Is it possible this all changes if the Senate gives the FDA control? Sure. We have never said that the road will not be bumpy. And many of us have said that we are not against regulations because it does promote safety for our users. Many of us are taking our own steps to ensure better packaging, etc. to show that we are in fact, attempting to do this properly.

Either way, the suppliers are privy to information from our lawyers, the FDA, Health Canada, that isn't out there yet. Before we lay our cards out on the table for all of the forum to abuse, we are going to get together and determine the best hand. We made an announcement regarding the Association last week and to our surprise, it was poo'd on more then it was praised. Frankly, I was kind of shocked that more members weren't happy the suppliers were coming together to be proactive.

Lacy--Many of us are happy to see the Suppliers getting united and on the same page. But --and correct me if I am wrong--Does the FDA not have much broader power then just how a product is marketed and claims--Are they not charged with the the safety of products as well. I can understand you concern about not showing your hand for " Forum Abuse". I would just like to know if the saftey argument is being addressed because I see the attack from the FDA looking like this:

FDA ADVISORY--From Rita Chappelle

For Immediate Release

"The FDA announced today that, after review, and upon advise of their medical consultants, it is ordering that the importation, sale, and marketing of all, so called electroinc cigarettes are halted today and banned until such time as their saftey can be evaluated."

So Lacy I do hope that your group and Counsel are addressing it from a saftey issue as well---Thanks for all you efforts and wish I could help more---Sun
 

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I can't post links yet but I found this statement related to Lautenberg's FDA action:


Statement of the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Lung Association and the Campaign for tobacco-Free Kids . . .
Sounds to me like those organizations would rather people continue getting lung cancer from smoking instead of allowing them to use something that might be safer. And, let's face it, if smoking related lung cancer was eliminated, then those organizations would lose a tremendous amount of funding (and no, i'm not saying that ecigs will prevent smoking-related cancer, but common sense tells me that they may possibly do so. After all, cigarettes have 40+ known carcinogens, whereas ecigs have nicotine, glycol, and food grade flavorings)
 

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If its only a matter of not making health or cessation claims why then did the FDA ban a nicotine lozenge, a skin cream and a water product (the latter of which has recently been approved by the FDA as a homeopathic remedy apparently). Were all these products foolish enough to make a health or cessation claim?

If nicotine (sans tobacco) is allowed to be sold unregulated, then why has no one managed to sell a generic nicotine based chewing gum that makes no health or cessation claims at a third of the price Big Pharm sell it for in the next aisle over?

In 2001/2002 Big Pharma petitioned the FDA to reclassify Star’s Ariva and Stonewall tobacco lozenges. The FDA ruled that Star’s products were tobacco products. This is the only reason they were allowed to remain on the market. Although they are almost identical to GSK's Commit losenge, had they not contained small amounts of tobacco, they would have vanished.
 
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On further reads, a person can't help but note the call, not only to ban, but to "remove" e-cigs from the market. Ban thus could equal confiscation. Suppliers beware. Users stock up if you haven't already.

The E-Clock reads one minute 'til midnight. And someone called the cops.

Thats quite OK with me. I LOVE whats going on. (Keeping it positive for you TB - no ranting from this happy citizen). We NEED the government to tell us what is good and bad. We need them to help us when we can't pay our bills. We need them to protect us from dangerous things like vaping. Once the governement owns and controls everything we will all be SO much better off. Than we can all work together.... and be equal.... and share the crumbs that the government drops for us. I can hardly wait.... O sweet communism.
 

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Thats quite OK with me. I LOVE whats going on. (Keeping it positive for you TB - no ranting from this happy citizen). We NEED the government to tell us what is good and bad. We need them to help us when we can't pay our bills. We need them to protect us from dangerous things like vaping. Once the governement owns and controls everything we will all be SO much better off. Than we can all work together.... and be equal.... and share the crumbs that the government drops for us. I can hardly wait.... O sweet communism.

The way people in democracies think of the government as something different from themselves is a real handicap. And, of course, sometimes the government confirms their opinion.

~LM
 

keg

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Clearing out the negative post?
Hmmm.... You mean like clearing out the negative e cigs? Hey big government don't tell us what to do!! Hey forum moderators, tell people what they can and can't say.
Well Keg, that's different because we are fighting for a greater cause and looking out for the best interest of e smokers. That people is what the Senator thinks also. Once again...GREAT sociological study. Some of you are just plain awesome.
 

dEFinitionofEPIC

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I'm pretty sure that the comparison is already there whether we make it or not. I mean, it is called an electronic....cigarette. Besides, what are we supposed to say? It helped me quit...fishing. I feel better than when I used to...collect coins.

I'm not sure I'm following you on your angle with this comment. It was designed as a replacement for smoking tobacco cigarettes, as well as marketed that way, and I would wager that's why 99.9% of the people here are using them.

LMFAO.... touche
 

dEFinitionofEPIC

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Clearing out the negative post?
Hmmm.... You mean like clearing out the negative e cigs? Hey big government don't tell us what to do!! Hey forum moderators, tell people what they can and can't say.
Well Keg, that's different because we are fighting for a greater cause and looking out for the best interest of e smokers. That people is what the Senator thinks also. Once again...GREAT sociological study. Some of you are just plain awesome.


HAHA. Exactly. That is exactly what I keep trying to say but there is no room for thinking outside the box among most people. The hypocrisy is great.... But sheep just don't get it....
 

dEFinitionofEPIC

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a quote from E-cigarette sparks attention as FDA crackdown looms - The Connecticut Post Online

it reports that:"I understand why people use the nicotine replacement aids," said Serena Chen, regional tobacco policy director of the American Lung Association in California. "But I don't understand why people want to pretend that they're smoking."

my asnwer to her is that if you dont understand that ,maybe you shouldnt be in the position you are occupiying now.

RIGHT?! She's the "Regional Tobacco Policy Director" and she doesn't have the slightest clue? You've got to be kidding me. Put someone in there with maybe just a tiny bit of expertise, or *gasp* maybe even some tobacco experience.
 

dEFinitionofEPIC

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Rants don't help anyone but the ranter. Screaming at a US Senator in a rant full of misspellings and incorrect English grammar isn't going to help the cause of keeping our devices legal. Hopefully a staff member hits the delete forever button and the Senator never sees this.

I have learned from years of activism that a polite and respectful approach and presentation of facts may get you heard and that rudeness and ranting by even one person can increase opposition by those in power - and negate hours of work other people have put into advocacy. Government officials are people too, and being personally insulted can often negatively influence their opinion (or close their minds completely) and casts a bad light on all parties involved in any given issue, our issue being along the lines of "Please don't ban our e-cigs." Your use of "we" and "us" in your, um, letter implies you are speaking for a group of vapers, thus the assumption could be made that all of us feel as you do. Let us all hope such an assumption is not made!

Dealing with government is a lengthy, time consuming and highly frustrating task.

At least we now seem to have Dr. Siegel on our side, which is HUGE!

Give him a break. He's from Greece. ....tough crowd.
 

Nicole

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Give him a break. He's from Greece. ....tough crowd.


I don't care if he's from Greece, or if he's from the dark side of the moon...if he's sending something to a United States SENATOR that could possibly HURT our cause, then something needs to be said, and the people on this forum from the U.S. have that right...
 

imeothanasis

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Give him a break. He's from Greece. ....tough crowd.


Thanks friend for the support, we are civilized people. The civilization starts from us, but 400 years under Turkeys change us a lot. That does not mean we are savages.



Maybe I am (a little):):)but always for the common good


ps... I did not knew that there was a "delete forever button". If I knew,I wouldnt bother myself to write the letter:D
 
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