PACT ACT Concerns!

[Brewster 59]

You will pay the state and fed tobacco taxes. That's collected at the point of sale by the vender. But if ordering from a vender outside your state you won't be paying the sales tax. It's that same for any catalog or on-line sales (as in Amazon). Of course there is a push by some to try and get the taxes from on-line sales but that's a separate issue.

Stubby what is your source of info? I know somewhere I was reading where Fedx and Dhl both agreed not to ship tob prod if PACT passed. I hope your right but the people on snuffhouse even arent sure how this bill will affect us or if these vendors will agree to collect taxes at different rates for 50 states.

 

[AllCoExPat]

At the moment there is no reason for you to make a mountainous order. WI is a bit different with 100% wholesale taxes, and I will be doing a few larger orders. But that's just to save on taxes as opposed to fearing that I can't get the stuff.

"Mountainous" may have been a bit of an exageration, but I'm still going to put a few rolls back for a rainy day. It's not so much the tax issue that bothers me as the shipping issues that could crop up until the supply chain is full and operating under what we're all presuming will be the new law. In this case the devil really isn't in the law; we know what's in that. The real questions in my mind won't be settled until we see the "implementing regulations" that the appropriate government agencies will publish as a result of PACT. The text of the law itself tells the "what" of the story, but the text of the regulations will give us the "how."

 

[Dredbull]

You will pay the state and fed tobacco taxes. That's collected at the point of sale by the vender. But if ordering from a vender outside your state you won't be paying the sales tax. It's that same for any catalog or on-line sales (as in Amazon). Of course there is a push by some to try and get the taxes from on-line sales but that's a separate issue.

no the pact paves the way to ecomerce hell.

 

[Brewster 59]

"Mountainous" may have been a bit of an exageration, but I'm still going to put a few rolls back for a rainy day. It's not so much the tax issue that bothers me as the shipping issues that could crop up until the supply chain is full and operating under what we're all presuming will be the new law. In this case the devil really isn't in the law; we know what's in that. The real questions in my mind won't be settled until we see the "implementing regulations" that the appropriate government agencies will publish as a result of PACT. The text of the law itself tells the "what" of the story, but the text of the regulations will give us the "how."

As you put it so nicely it isnt what the bill reads like we all know USPS will not be shipping tob products. What is not known is wheater Fedx of Dhl will ship it. You know kinda like how it is legal for Paypal to process ecig transactions but out of kindness of their black hearts refuse to do so.

 

[Stubby]

Stubby what is your source of info? I know somewhere I was reading where Fedx and Dhl both agreed not to ship tob prod if PACT passed. I hope your right but the people on snuffhouse even arent sure how this bill will affect us or if these vendors will agree to collect taxes at different rates for 50 states.

I posted this on that other thread but it belongs here. Clubsnus has stated that they will be dealing with the taxes for 50 different states. I have little doubt getsnus and Northerner will do the same as they both have US warehouses. Buysnus may have a harder time as they ship from Sweden and international UPS shipping is very high, much more so then domestic shipping. Keep in mind that SM and V2 are also behind this. The advantage with smokeless tobacco is that there are a limited amount of venders. In this case that's a good thing as they are not kitchen table operations.

YouTube - PACT ACT INFO

After searching around I found nothing on the curriers policy of stopping shipping of tobacco after the PACT act goes into effect. And that's the point, I can't prove a negative. I'm afraid it's your job to show me the source of your information, and reading about it somewhere isn't going to cut it.

This is the UPS policy on shipping tobacco. If you read it notice that they do not ship cigarettes, but it has been that way for some time. That's where the confusion sets in.

UPS: Shipping Tobacco

"Mountainous" may have been a bit of an exageration, but I'm still going to put a few rolls back for a rainy day. It's not so much the tax issue that bothers me as the shipping issues that could crop up until the supply chain is full and operating under what we're all presuming will be the new law. In this case the devil really isn't in the law; we know what's in that. The real questions in my mind won't be settled until we see the "implementing regulations" that the appropriate government agencies will publish as a result of PACT. The text of the law itself tells the "what" of the story, but the text of the regulations will give us the "how."

I agree. I think everyone would do well to do some stocking up. The point I am trying to make is that from everything I have read from reliable sources it is not the end of the world for mail order smokeless.

 

[Brewster 59]

I posted this on that other thread but it belongs here. Clubsnus has stated that they will be dealing with the taxes for 50 different states. I have little doubt getsnus and Northerner will do the same as they both have US warehouses. Buysnus may have a harder time as they ship from Sweden and international UPS shipping is very high, much more so then domestic shipping. Keep in mind that SM and V2 are also behind this. The advantage with smokeless tobacco is that there are a limited amount of venders. In this case that's a good thing as they are not kitchen table operations.

YouTube - PACT ACT INFO

After searching around I found nothing on the curriers policy of stopping shipping of tobacco after the PACT act goes into effect. And that's the point, I can't prove a negative. I'm afraid it's your job to show me the source of your information, and reading about it somewhere isn't going to cut it.

This is the UPS policy on shipping tobacco. If you read it notice that they do not ship cigarettes, but it has been that way for some time. That's where the confusion sets in.

UPS: Shipping Tobacco




I agree. I think everyone would do well to do some stocking up. The point I am trying to make is that from everything I have read from reliable sources it is not the end of the world for mail order smokeless.

Thank-you Stubby I think a little anxiety attack hit me however I read a ton of stuff and never stated it as a fact Im sure I read that on one of the many articles I have read on the subject. I still dont think having a supply is a bad idea and who knows what the price increase will be but at least I will still be able to get my fix.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

At this point I don't see any problem getting it, either. Nor do I believe it'll be a problem in the future. No law says UPS can't carry it and UPS isn't so politically correct to really care what's in the box as long as it isn't hazmat. Their money comes from package delivery and the more the merrier. Sure, it'll cost more to get stuff from Sweden. And if the worst should come, I'll make quarterly, semi-annual or annual trips to PA......maybe carpool with the rest of ya 8-o. These things are minor irritants to me. My beef is greed and control. They have no right at all to put an additional tax burden on tobacco users, yet they do it. It's dirty and wrong. President Osama is a smoker, but will he stand up to this dirty play? ha ha ha ha!! It's all about the money and it's sickeningly obvious. Won't need any black arm bands, TB. Their gonna cut us off about wallet level. Lousy snot covered slugs......

 

[WerkIt]

Lousy snot covered slugs......

Why can't you open up and tell us how you really feel?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Why can't you open up and tell us how you really feel?

Ha! Their lucky I'm currently O.D.ed on snus to keep me relaxed. The poo's really gonna hit the fan when I can't afford mass quantities of MOAI . All I can say is they better be passing out dopamine injections right next to the soup kitchen .

 

[W Axl Rose]

..."it's the end of the world as we know it"

 

[Dredbull]

Who the hell lives near the tobacco growing Amish??

Go strike a deal and lets take it underground eff the english!! Amish by proxy atm.

 

[rothenbj]

At this point I don't see any problem getting it, either. Nor do I believe it'll be a problem in the future. No law says UPS can't carry it and UPS isn't so politically correct to really care what's in the box as long as it isn't hazmat. Their money comes from package delivery and the more the merrier. Sure, it'll cost more to get stuff from Sweden. And if the worst should come, I'll make quarterly, semi-annual or annual trips to PA......maybe carpool with the rest of ya 8-o. These things are minor irritants to me. My beef is greed and control. They have no right at all to put an additional tax burden on tobacco users, yet they do it. It's dirty and wrong. President Osama is a smoker, but will he stand up to this dirty play? ha ha ha ha!! It's all about the money and it's sickeningly obvious. Won't need any black arm bands, TB. Their gonna cut us off about wallet level. Lousy snot covered slugs......

TV, not sure what you're talking about traveling to Pa, but if it's to Northern's warehouse that won't work unless they change their business model. I sent off to the about picking up at the warehouse and was informed that couldn't be done.

That being said, you never know if they might make changes as PACT takes affect. I sure hope so.

 

[Dredbull]

I see so many ways around this atm.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

TV, not sure what you're talking about traveling to Pa, but if it's to Northern's warehouse that won't work unless they change their business model. I sent off to the about picking up at the warehouse and was informed that couldn't be done.

That being said, you never know if they might make changes as PACT takes affect. I sure hope so.

I'd think they'd have to roll with the changes. They're already gearing up for more aggressive US marketing and if getsnus can't ship nationally they'd have to close without a store front.....that said, I still don't think there'll be a shipping problem. getsnus already ships UPS, so they'd just need to add the software and fill out the proper paperwork to collect taxes.

I see so many ways around this atm.

Yeah, I'll have my snus .

 

[hittman]

I don't know if it will do any good but I see that the Seneca president has officially asked Obama to veto the pact act. I don't know alot about politics but if they have enough votes already, then will it matter if he does veto it?

 

[TropicalBob]

I read elsewhere, Hittman, that the Senecas asked to talk to Congress directly -- and did not even get a reply. This bill has overwhelming support. I can't see the President choosing this popular act to exercise his veto on.

Wish he would. Don't see it happening.

 

[JerryRM]

..."it's the end of the world as we know it"

It's the end of our freedom and rights. It's not going to stop here, this is just the beginning of their "oppression of the masses".

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I read elsewhere, Hittman, that the Senecas asked to talk to Congress directly -- and did not even get a reply. This bill has overwhelming support. I can't see the President choosing this popular act to exercise his veto on.

Wish he would. Don't see it happening.

Yep. Nope. Unfortunately, even without popularity, there's too much money at stake. Let's all just look at it as an extension of the "stimulus plan" to aid low state tax revenue, falling Big Tobacco profits and just another way for the powers that be to lord it over us !!

It's the end of our freedom and rights. It's not going to stop here, this is just the beginning of their "oppression of the masses".

Oh, we're in mid-swing, Jerry. Not to worry until they start passing out those black arm bands and digging rather large holes .

 

[JerryRM]

Yep. Nope. Unfortunately, even without popularity, there's too much money at stake. Let's all just look at it as an extension of the "stimulus plan" to aid low state tax revenue, falling Big Tobacco profits and just another way for the powers that be to lord it over us !!


Oh, we're in mid-swing, Jerry. Not to worry until they start passing out those black arm bands and digging rather large holes .

TV, the "final solution" to the smoker/vaper problem ?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

TV, the "final solution" to the smoker/vaper problem ?

Not 'til after they've sucked us dry .