Panic buying and the FDA ban. My take.

[BigJimW]

Ok, my take on it all.

First, stockpiling and panic buying will NOT stop the inevitable. It's like using a Dixee cup to bail out the Titanic. You WILL run out eventually. And you must figure out a way of getting the goods unless you plan on vaping using a tea pot like Jim plans on doing

(EDIT: Jim, you gotta post that vid on YouTube. vaping from a tea pot would be priceless to watch! )

My position is this. I will support the US suppliers until inventory runs dry. Then turn my sights on buying directly from China. So far my shipments have never went through customs from China, the way they were packaged and used an international courier. Went right from the courier and into the USPS hands without even being looked at by customs. To me, it will be status-quo on my buying.

I will no doubt get shipments seized, and the obligatory butthurt letter from customs, but I will learn to cut my losses and move on.

I know there is no possible way on Gods green Earth they can open every single solitary package and courier letter that gets sent to the United States from China on a daily basis, even if the FDA does their worst at a ban. There's too many of them and not cost effective to do so. Heck, e-Bay auctions would grind to a halt, as most power sellers are in China.

The MAIN problem will be for US suppliers, who buy in BULK. This is what the FDA will look at and that will be the biggest part of the issue. Parcels sent in a courier letter parcel to individulals will slip right past customs without even being as so much as looked at. My last purchase was not even opened, and tracking never showed it went to customs at all.

Will I get packages seized? Probably, but highly unlikely, as my orders will be for non bulky items (atomizers, batteries, etc) and in a LOW quantity to allow the shipment to be sent in a courier style envelope, and not in a large shipping container that will raise a red flag with customs.

Remember folks, they only seized 30 shipments so far. Very dismal record.

Even if the FDA does it's ban, I will be vaping strong. And every package arriving to my address will bring a smile on my face.

I f*cked the gobernment one more time.

It's a satisfying flavor to go with my juice.

 

[Elendil]

Exactly, an individual's ability to get "stuff" won't be hampered, but I would feel very badly for suppliers in the U.S.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Big Jim--Not me--I went to no-nicotine a long time ago and have 300 atomizers that I have been building on for the last six months. I have been repeating that a ban will come for that long---Tropical Bob as well.
So using my Mod Jim, I will never run out as I DYI my juice.

Now for nic juice--you are right. If the storage life is 2 years --then after that many will run out--but I do have to say that going slowly to no-nic was easier then I thought. I just took my time. But do not think for one minute that the urge to vape is not just as strong as it was before---that hand to mouth deal is why NRT's simply do not work as it is all not about Nicotine by any means IMO.

Sun

 

[Al Bundy]

Did you listen to the FDA conference call? At one point they listed the potential "enforcement" options they have, one of which was criminal charges against suppliers.

I don't think "bulk" orders are an issue for U.S. suppliers, the potential issue is supplying them at all.

 

[Michele]

I agree.

Will the same thing happen for product shipped in from other countries?

 

[eric]

Did you listen to the FDA conference call? At one point they listed the potential "enforcement" options they have, one of which was criminal charges against suppliers.

I don't think "bulk" orders are an issue for U.S. suppliers, the potential issue is supplying them at all.

Bring the criminal charges on. I won't stay in a country that profits on deadly habits and eradicates safer alternatives for threatening those profits. I'll fight em tooth and nail. It wouldn't be worth their trouble to persecute me.

I won't pay anymore taxes to these schmucks if they stoop to this level. I'll be out of here.

 

[Satyr]

I f*cked the gobernment one more time.

It's a satisfying flavor to go with my juice.

Incorrect. Every package that made it to your door would be one less time the govt. f*cked you. Not one more time you f*cked the govt. Remember, we aren't the criminals here. The government is!

As far a building a stockpile is concerned, I'm more focussed on adding to my gold and silver stash, ammo, and food preps than smoke juice. I'll stop here before I go off on too much of a tangent.

Just remember this: ......., heroine, and pot are illegal drugs. Yet, many people can/do still buy/sell them every day with very little hassle.

 

[BigJimW]

Did you listen to the FDA conference call? At one point they listed the potential "enforcement" options they have, one of which was criminal charges against suppliers.

I don't think "bulk" orders are an issue for U.S. suppliers, the potential issue is supplying them at all.

Yes, I listened to it Typical whining, crying, butthurt, bullying from a dying desparate government agency.. Not surprising.

I give the US less than 2 years before the economic "bubble" bursts much like the housing market, and we become just another banana republic, if we're not there already. But that's for another thread.

The only way they can totally get rid of e-cigs would be if a law was passed making them illegal like possession of any other drug (class C felony) subjecting you to arrest for possession. And, as this wonderful countries war on drugs has proven time and time again, won't work. And people just end up dead over it.

 

[dedmonwakin]

I agree.

Will the same thing happen for product shipped in from other countries?

I believe so. Once the product is deemed illegal, it's illegal. You can bet, if your item is seized...you will be punished.

Let's see.
HGH (human growth horomone) illegal and highly trafficked from China. If caught, you must first prove that you had no intent to sell. Good luck. If you get off, since they can't do anything about it from an international stand point. You'll take the entire brunt of it. Now, your hit with mail fraud, possession, etc... it's not pretty.

There's many things that are intercepted that are deemed illegal. The ones to get away with it, have middle men that can purchase the product legally, then ship it to you with out raising suspicion or to an address that isn't linked to you. But surely, once eliquid is illegal, it's probable that they'll have dog sniffers trained by then.
Again, good luck.

Gotta make my supply last!!!

edit.....was that your original post? I swear I read, "would it be illegal to recieve it?"

 

[brandeeashlynn]

I do not think a full out ban will go through. We will still be able to get our stuff form china worse comes to worse. I also believe the FDA can not do anything until the SE and njoy case has been decided. We have had hysteria on this forum before about an FDA ban, so let us all chill and enjoy our vapes and Pray for the best outcome.

 

[Elendil]

Just remember this: ......., heroine, and pot are illegal drugs. Yet, many people can/do still buy/sell them every day with very little hassle.

And now the decriminalization begins...........talk about the first step to the end of the world: Daily Herald | Cook County decriminalizes small amounts of marijuana

A short excerpt:

Possession of small amounts of marijuana in unincorporated Cook County could be penalized like a traffic ticket rather than prosecuted criminally, under a measure approved by the county board Tuesday.

 

[Satyr]

Bring the criminal charges on. I won't stay in a country that profits on deadly habits and eradicates safer alternatives for threatening those profits. I'll fight em tooth and nail. It wouldn't be worth their trouble to persecute me.

I won't pay anymore taxes to these schmucks if they stoop to this level. I'll be out of here.

So, you'd rather tuck tail and flee than to fight the good fight? Too many people say they're fed up, but don't want to do anything productive about it. While you're online maniacallypounding away at the keyboard, why not use some of that energy to email your senator with your concerns?

 

[Al Bundy]

Yes, I listened to it Typical whining, crying, butthurt, bullying from a dying desparate government agency.. Not surprising.

I give the US less than 2 years before the economic "bubble" bursts,much like the housing market, and we become just another banana republic, if we're not there already. But that's for another thread.

The only way they can totally get rid of e-cigs would be if a law was passed making them illegal like possession of any other drug (class C felony) subjecting you to arrest for possession. And, as this wonderful countries war on drugs has proven time and time again, won't work. And people just end up dead over it.

I wouldn't put it past them to do precisely that, make it a felony. If for no other reason, to attempt to retain tax revenue streams on tobacco as the economic collapse rapidly depletes the coffers. It will simply be an extension of the war on the cigarette black market.

Anyway, I can't speak for anyone else, but I've stocked up on 4 things:

gold/silver, guns, ammunition, and juice

I'm ready for the party!

 

[ZIRO]

I've imported a lot of stuff that the FDA deemed illegal for importation, and it got here all right. If shipments are labeled accurately and vaguely (sounds weird, but that's how I used to get all my swiss absinthe), then everything should be okay. What's going to happen is that we're going to all make our own clandestine e-liquid. Not really a big deal unless they ban e-cigs; even then, they're not impossible to make if you have the equipment.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Bring the criminal charges on. I won't stay in a country that profits on deadly habits and eradicates safer alternatives for threatening those profits. I'll fight em tooth and nail. It wouldn't be worth their trouble to persecute me.

Bravo.


And please folks... there is no need to stock pile. We have some more fight in us left do we not?

Continue to introduce old smokers to new vaping! If you are going to go out and buy lots, buy enough to GIVE to someone who might not otherwise be able to afford one. Spread the good word!

Seriously, give it a few days for it to settle in that the argument they are making is falling apart. Do they really think they could make the statement that putting "Adult Only" on a product is directly marketing to children and no-one will notice? They had nothing better to offer but scare tactics today.

If you haven't read Dr. Siegels blog response, please do: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary It will really make you feel a bit better about this whole thing.

In the past six months SO much has happened and every time "doomsday" was announced, we ended up taking some seriously positive steps forward. We have had veteran anti-smokers turn to our defense, we have had suppliers come together, we have seen consumers get a little more aggressive about their freedoms...

Happy Vaping to all and continue to teach those around you to see through this wash of propaganda with the truth.

 

[Satyr]

And now the decriminalization begins...........talk about the first step to the end of the world:
A short excerpt:

Possession of small amounts of marijuana in unincorporated Cook County could be penalized like a traffic ticket rather than prosecuted criminally, under a measure approved by the county board Tuesday.

I actually live in Franklin Park (just south of O'Hare). I have been hearing about this all day on AM780. Again, this all has to do with money. They save money by not jailing you and putting you through the system and make money by having you pay a simple ($200) fine.

 

[eric]

So, you'd rather tuck tail and flee than to fight the good fight? Too many people say they're fed up, but don't want to do anything productive about it. While you're online maniacallypounding away at the keyboard, why not use some of that energy to email your senator with your concerns?

Yeah. Fight. Funny.

What are you doing exactly?

I email my Senators and Rep weekly.

Don't talk down to me, friend, and don't question my integrity.

 

[dedmonwakin]

Well, there seems to be alot of speculation about the direction of the ecig. Honestly, one is quite obvious and realistic. Banning the importation of the liquid from unregulated manufactures.

Does this mean the existence of ecigs from a legal stand point...I don't think so. Surely there is a market for it....it just requires FDA approval. Since the FDA is adamant on calling this a drug delivery device.....I wouldn't at all be surprised that they will try the medical route with medical grade eliquid....requiring a damn prescription. That's just me talkin BS....but still, nothing would shock me at this point.

 

[Satyr]

Yeah. Fight. Funny.

What are you doing exactly?

I email my Senators and Rep weekly.

Don't talk down to me, friend, and don't question my integrity.

Please accept my apology. It just bugs the hell out of me when people say they'd rather leave than deal with a problem. Sometimes it sets me off a bit. I guess you just caught me in a moment. I meant no harm. I'm gald to hear you are doing your part.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Well, there seems to be alot of speculation about the direction of the ecig. Honestly, one is quite obvious and realistic. Banning the importation of the liquid from unregulated manufactures.

Does this mean the existence of ecigs from a legal stand point...I don't think so. Surely there is a market for it....it just requires FDA approval. Since the FDA is adamant on calling this a drug delivery device.....I wouldn't at all be surprised that they will try the medical route with medical grade eliquid....requiring a damn prescription. That's just me talkin BS....but still, nothing would shock me at this point.

I would agree with you Dedmon, the product is going to require regulation and for people that do not what all the hassles, those are the one that stocked up. Noone has ever argued to my knowedge that the e-cig was ever going to be banned "tommorrow" and then tommorrow came and went with out a ban. I think what some of us have been saying, including me for the last six months is that a ban "is going to come"--big difference there.

Sun