Panic buying and the FDA ban. My take.
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I am just new to this forum, but doesn't it seem more likely that if they ban/regulate anything, it would be the juice more then the devices ? There is a head shop any which direction I go within about 5 miles from my home and you can purchase blunt wraps at any gas station in the city. The devices can always be defended with "legal" uses.
F the Fed , Screw Obama , 911 was a inside job ,people need to realize that the government is out to screw us and if we sit back and just watch american idol , dancing with the stars and play our xbox all day and don't give 2 s h i t s they have us!! and don't get involved with your communuty PLEASE STAND UP for your rights !!
First post, although I've been lurking for quite some time...
If they're playing to the stupid, why not use their own weapons? Media. Contact reporters and give the other side of the story in a nonvolatile, concise, and rational manner. The media loves a good conflict. While logic isn't the public strong suit, it doesn't help when the only voice our co-workers, neighbors, and friends hear is the self-important boom of a government agency. Given the economic and political tone of the country right now, many are pre-disposed to believe the little guy. And even the most avid anti-smokers would prefer e-cigs to analogs.
If they're playing to the stupid, why not use their own weapons? Media. Contact reporters and give the other side of the story in a nonvolatile, concise, and rational manner. The media loves a good conflict. While logic isn't the public strong suit, it doesn't help when the only voice our co-workers, neighbors, and friends hear is the self-important boom of a government agency. Given the economic and political tone of the country right now, many are pre-disposed to believe the little guy. And even the most avid anti-smokers would prefer e-cigs to analogs.
This seems to be coming at an odd time dont yah think? With all the talk of universal health care and all? Just thought I would throw that theory out there. If we do get government paid healthcare we will be denied many other pleasures in life as well. I just heard last night the gov wants warning labels on hot dogs!!!!!!!!!!
This thread almost feels like my fault! lol (It came right after I posted about what I should stock up on although I know mine wasn't the only post like that.)
I suppose you could say I'm still in that stage of feeling panic. That's how much I don't want to return to analogs. We have no way of knowing what fines or other punishments the govt might impose on us if we're caught buying/selling ecig supplies should they decide to do so. Many people here seem in a position to risk any minor infractions that they try to hand out. I'm simply not in a position to risk it. Thus my minor (far from overwhelming) feeling of panic.
For me it all boils down to "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best."
I suppose you could say I'm still in that stage of feeling panic. That's how much I don't want to return to analogs. We have no way of knowing what fines or other punishments the govt might impose on us if we're caught buying/selling ecig supplies should they decide to do so. Many people here seem in a position to risk any minor infractions that they try to hand out. I'm simply not in a position to risk it. Thus my minor (far from overwhelming) feeling of panic.
For me it all boils down to "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best."
Yeppers, just as California is on the way to legalizing MJ. They figure that at a proposed $50 per ounce tax, that will raise $1.3 billion per year in pot taxes and sales taxes. (The sales tax is on top of the $50/ounce tax + whatever the retail price may be.)
Knowing that MJ is still a Federal offense, when asked, the US Atty Gen said that if California approved the measure (of which over 50% of voters favored), that it would NOT most likely seek prosecution of those in the State...
Guess the State of Calif figured it could not beat 'em, so it was time to join 'em and tax the crap out of it! Looks like Calif is looking out for uno!
Watch how fast the other states follow behind! POT FOR EVERYONE! (as long as you pay us our cut!)
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The FDA are trying to say that vaping could be extremely dangerous for young people who do not know their limitations.
What i have noticed in the past week of vaping for the first time ever, is that I vape much more than i used to smoke. Smoking analogs doe not make me high...this does.
Don't get me wrong. I love this.
But the fact is that i noticed that since i started vaping my behavior has changed noticeably.
I am not going to lie to myself about this.
What i have noticed in the past week of vaping for the first time ever, is that I vape much more than i used to smoke. Smoking analogs doe not make me high...this does.
Don't get me wrong. I love this.
But the fact is that i noticed that since i started vaping my behavior has changed noticeably.
I am not going to lie to myself about this.
Then you obviously have a problem and can't be responsible with your habits so you should let the government be responsible for you.
Vaping until you are sick or high is a sign of binging and one should seek help for that. Finding the right mg of nicotine for you and or adjusting it to match your vaping will alleviate getting high.
Bravo.
And please folks... there is no need to stock pile. We have some more fight in us left do we not?
Continue to introduce old smokers to new vaping! If you are going to go out and buy lots, buy enough to GIVE to someone who might not otherwise be able to afford one. Spread the good word!
Seriously, give it a few days for it to settle in that the argument they are making is falling apart. Do they really think they could make the statement that putting "Adult Only" on a product is directly marketing to children and no-one will notice? They had nothing better to offer but scare tactics today.
If you haven't read Dr. Siegels blog response, please do: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary It will really make you feel a bit better about this whole thing.
In the past six months SO much has happened and every time "doomsday" was announced, we ended up taking some seriously positive steps forward. We have had veteran anti-smokers turn to our defense, we have had suppliers come together, we have seen consumers get a little more aggressive about their freedoms...
Happy Vaping to all and continue to teach those around you to see through this wash of propaganda with the truth.
Thanks, Lacy for providing Dr Seigal's analysis pointing out the hypocracy of the ALA and FDA's position. Has the ECA thought about trying to do a news conference with Dr. Seigal to try to get reporters to provide the other side of the story?
Excellent movie and it points out how that pharma and propaganda machine works as most of us know. People are fed up and it's showing in the news every day.
Speaking of seizures i got one of those letters for a prescription drug that i bought overseas. I had a scrip for it but they took it away because it was another country and much much cheaper from there. That is why people are going to canada and mexico for what their doc prescribed from them and they are trying to stop that because it's less profit for the huge pharma comanys in the US. The FDA wears knee pads for the Tobacco companys like Monica did for Bill.
We can write 300 pages about how it's all involved in business and gov doing business together and giving each other hand jobs. Anyone that has not seen V for Vendetta go and rent it out, it's very relevant to what is going on now, just like george orwells 1984 is relevant now as well.
I just put together some notes of bullsh*t that I have come up with (from the help of so many GOOD posts pulling this FDA announcement apart). I would really like to see Matt do a follow up video or something, picking this apart. If you haven't been into the ECA subforum, there is a press release AND several articles from last night where the ECA was mentioned.
I will also add Dr. Siegel to the list as possible someones to do the video perhaps as well.
Trust me: That study will be P*I*C*K*E*D A*P*A*R*T over the next week and there will be a massive response from at least one company involved, if not both.
Sounds like you are taking more nicotine than your analog addiction provided. Try cutting the dose down, or else you will build a tolerance and require more nicotine to satisfy your addiction.
A couple of years back I tried to quit smoking, so began to dip. I was just a light flavor smoker, no full flavored types. I got so much nicotine out of a dip that I got sick from the spins.
If you google Sweet Dreams cigarettes (or flavored cigarettes), you'll find that candy flavored cigarettes are available (Marlboro still makes them). I'd post the URL, but my predisposition to lurking means that I can't.
Someone tell me this: If a Phillip Morris representative walked into the FDA, with a cigarette with ONLY the same chemicals as an ecig, in the quantities found in an ecig, with no second hand smoke, would the FDA not rejoice? And how precisely is the nicotine in an analog cigarette measured? I never bought cigs by the mg, so I'm not sure how it compares...I have a sneaking suspicion that it doesn't.
Someone tell me this: If a Phillip Morris representative walked into the FDA, with a cigarette with ONLY the same chemicals as an ecig, in the quantities found in an ecig, with no second hand smoke, would the FDA not rejoice? And how precisely is the nicotine in an analog cigarette measured? I never bought cigs by the mg, so I'm not sure how it compares...I have a sneaking suspicion that it doesn't.
Yes i have overdone it in the past 12 days.
Tried too many liquids, and a lot of trial and error going on.
Had better calm down here.
My wife told me i looked like a light bulb!!
Tried too many liquids, and a lot of trial and error going on.
Had better calm down here.
My wife told me i looked like a light bulb!!
That's exactly what I was happy to find. I'm a lot newer than you, and am (by choice) not no-nic yet, but am easily floating between 0-9.6mg. As long as I have the ritual, I'll be fine.
You should NOT be getting 'high' from vaping.... this is a misconception we do not want/need kids or anyone thinking they might get from vaping. If you're feeling like that then you are taking in too much nicotine and you need to cut back on the strength. Alot of people vape more when they first start but do it at a low nic level so you're not over doing it.... common sense
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