Panic buying and the FDA ban. My take.

[eric]

Please accept my apology. It just bugs the hell out of me when people say they'd rather leave than deal with a problem. Sometimes it sets me off a bit. I guess you just caught me in a moment. I meant no harm. I'm gald to hear you are doing your part.

I'm fed up with the Fed. I can't do anything but what I am doing. If it doesn't work, I'll move elsewhere and pay taxes. Then you can bet your bottom dollar I'll continue emailing my Senators and Rep.

I hate to speak of Revolution because of the turmoil that would ensue, but damn we need one.

EDIT: Punctuation

 

[dedmonwakin]

I actually live in Franklin Park (just south of O'Hare). I have been hearing about this all day on AM780. Again, this all has to do with money. They save money by not jailing you and putting you through the system and make money by having you pay a simple ($200) fine.

Are you sure that this extends to a Federal offense? Not so sure if it's that simple, when dealing with illegal importation of items through federal mail services. I'm no lawyer, but some acquaintances of mine who received steroids, didn't get any slap on the hand.

 

[Elendil]

Are you sure that this extends to a Federal offense? Not so sure if it's that simple, when dealing with illegal importation of items through federal mail services. I'm no lawyer, but some acquaintances of mine who received steroids, didn't get any slap on the hand.

I think you may be referring to 2 different issues. I just went OT on the marijuana issue and Satyr was responding to that..........

 

[dedmonwakin]

I think you may be referring to 2 different issues. I just went OT on the marijuana issue and Satyr was responding to that..........

Oh, my bad

 

[chuckie]

Antie Em,Antie Em,It's a twister! It's a twister (wizard of Oz 1936)

 

[daniel2828]

It's not just about the ban, Big Jim. The FDA used all the scare words and phrases in their public statement. "Toxins, carcinogens, selling to youths," etc. Already, a couple of people who never said word one to me about my vaping have gone, "Oh, did you hear those things are just as dangerous for you as real cigarettes?" And soon it will be, "Don't vape that poison around me." The FDA is counting on the stupidity of the public. Their statement was not intended for our benefit or education, but to mislead the public with anecdotal information. People who once congratulated us for taking a step in the right direction by getting off analogs will now be viewing us with the same contempt and/or pity that they felt when we were smokers. Bans in public places will follow and e-cig users will once again be discriminated against, no matter when or if a ban ever goes through.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

It's not just about the ban, Big Jim. The FDA used all the scare words and phrases in their public statement. "Toxins, carcinogens, selling to youths," etc. Already, a couple of people who never said word one to me about my vaping have gone, "Oh, did you hear those things are just as dangerous for you as real cigarettes?" And soon it will be, "Don't vape that poison around me." The FDA is counting on the stupidity of the public. Their statement was not intended for our benefit or education, but to mislead the public with anecdotal information. People who once congratulated us for taking a step in the right direction by getting off analogs will now be viewing us with the same contempt and/or pity that they felt when we were smokers. Bans in public places will follow and e-cig users will once again be discriminated against, no matter when or if a ban ever goes through.

Daniel--I give this the "Post of the Day" Award---best one yet for sure IMO--------

Sun

 

[Tone]

There are alot of ways the FDA can get to the China ordering.
go after the The credit card services and they will no longer process e-cig transactions (you cant buy them if you cant pay for them)
Go after the Shipping companies.
Make it a felony, I don't see many people willing to become felons to feed their habit.
I'm not sure that it will be as easy as everyone thinks to get this stuff from china If/when a ban is put in place...

 

[Japeli]

The only thing we have to fear is paying $100 for a 30 ML bottle of juice. They're just upset because they aren't getting their cut. Yet... They'll figure it out. Same as everything else. Follow the $.

 

[GrimmGreen]

the first thing we need it a bunch of Guy Fawkes masks....

 

[Boredoftheworld]

The only thing we have to fear is paying $100 for a 30 ML bottle of juice. They're just upset because they aren't getting their cut. Yet... They'll figure it out. Same as everything else. Follow the $.

$100 for 30ml is what I said to my wife when I logged in tonight and saw all this FDA silliness, wouldn't surprise me at all. That's still cheaper than what I used to spend smoking, but what drives me crazy about this is: What do they think I'm going to do with the money I save by vaping, shred it? Of course not, I'm going to spend it on something else, or God forbid, PUT IT IN THE BANK, or invest it in something, all of which they're going to tax anyhow.

So why does it matter? I've long suspected that the puritan foundation upon which that thing we like to call "American culture" was founded is still alive and kicking and there's a fundamental hatred of people having fun for its own sake. It crosses political and ideological lines, it's native to the US and now it's managed to all but paralyze Europe.

 

[Krakkan]

Get down into our campaign forums and help spread the truth to America.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning/28233-urgent-e-smokers-unite.html

 

[Talen]

So, you'd rather tuck tail and flee than to fight the good fight? Too many people say they're fed up, but don't want to do anything productive about it. While you're online maniacallypounding away at the keyboard, why not use some of that energy to email your senator with your concerns?

You are joking right? Senators listen to lobbyists with money not the little folk who are their constituency.

 

[Japeli]

So why does it matter? I've long suspected that the puritan foundation upon which that thing we like to call "American culture" was founded is still alive and kicking and there's a fundamental hatred of people having fun for its own sake. It crosses political and ideological lines, it's native to the US and now it's managed to all but paralyze Europe.[/QUOTE]

Its not the puritans that don't want us to have fun... Its the intellectual elitists that believe its their duty to protect us from ourselves...

 

[eric]

You are joking right? Senators listen to lobbyists with money not the little folk who are their constituency.

Amen, brother. That was my point entirely. Even these "Revolutionists" are falling for the game. There's no helping this situation without force, and I'm not willing to force it alone. If it comes down to it, I'll just leave. I'm a patriot, and it's my patriotism that would have me leaving ashamed of what my country has become, not ashamed of myself for leaving it.

 

[Zofryer]

I am the crown king of hedging bets. I have:

100 be112 atomizers.
3 liters of liquid
parts for 3.7v and 6v mods
Janty Stick
Prodigy V1
3 unopened 510 starter kits
4 USB pass's
two built mods
150 empty carts

but wait, there's more.
I have nichrome wire to rebuilt atomizers
spare batteries out the wazoo
soldering iron, dremel, Magic Scupt, wiring, resistors
a gallon of 36mg (ish) PG
bunch of lorann flavorings on the way
huge bag of fluval
handful of coffee stirrers.
Hope

I'm set for nuclear winter.

 

[CArtVapr]

Although we saw it coming, I just am shocked, didn't think it would happen like this. It's one thing to regulate, tax, but to manipulate the public and ultimately ban is horrible. I've got a group of friends who are just waiting for me to give them the full demo of E-cigs before they buy, and now I'm thinking some of them won't want to deal with such a fight. Why would anyone want to get involved with the E-cig with such confusion and problems that come with it. Even if they like it and want to buy, sounds like there will be issues. I now am beginning to regret unfortunately promoting this site to possible newbies, cause I know as soon as they start reading on, they will be convinced it's not worth buying in to it. The 100.00 buy-in for the full setup with e-liquid would be looked at like an unrealistic toy, not a true necessity. I'm full in now and could care less about regular cigs, I'd rather brew my own e-liquid and or go to Tijuana, or the local dark drug selling park, than smoke regulars again. There's a lot of us, but just not enough yet. It just began to spread like wildfire, so many people want it that I have met and shared it with and now, I'll be just the rare one with the strange device that people think is not any better than real cigs - what a bunch of crap.
There's still a long way to go and hopefully the companies will regulate their own, test, prove, people will fight the court, get on the news and tell the real story. Maybe it's just what we need to get it across to multi millions more people with the controversy.
I know I for one will make up my own cards and pass them out to all smokers, or people who are curious, telling them what's up - AINT GOING TO STAND FOR THIS SH*T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

 

[eric]

No offense, but you know what sucks, CartVapr?

You totally will stand for this SH*T.

It's out of our hands.

But I tell you what. I won't stop supplying until they drag me to prison. Then when I get out, I'll get right back to it.

 

[CArtVapr]

Well, for one, we will be able to purchase the devices - and or make them ourselves - that's no issue. Can buy the base PG, VG, and make my own extracting from snuff or regular cigs. We should also be able to purchase the liquids with the flavors minus nicotine perhaps? I'm not sure I'd make a brew as fulfulling as the available ones, but would try. Already have extracted from a real cig and it's not too bad, and even tho it might have more chemicals, the delivery is not as harmful as real cigs. So to me - I believe I will find a way around it, so screw them !

 

[Elokin6]

Well, maybe I have an overly simplistic view of the situation, but I have a hard time believing that an FDA ban would spell doom. I would probably be a pain in the ..., but not doom.

Last I checked, ephedra is still banned by the FDA, but you can still find diet pills with ephedra at a vitamin shop in the burbs (probably others too, but I only know of the one that my goofball friend shops at). I'm sure you can order diet pills containing ephedra over the internet without a problem. Hell, you can order oxycotin without a problem, and it's a "controlled" substance.

I think that it is mostly the US suppliers who would suffer from an FDA ban. End users would still be able to import supplies from China, Canada, the UK, etc. The US small businesses that we buy from are the ones that I worry about the most. I'm sure that I'll still be able to order the supplies I need.

Just my $0.02.