Kent my friend....I have to agree with outadadark.....I think the signals just got crossed between posts....I think both of you had good intentions here!!
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I thought that's what you were doing, but we're good if that wasn't aimed at me - thanks. I'm done here...
Kent my friend....I have to agree with outadadark.....I think the signals just got crossed between posts....I think both of you had good intentions here!!
You're right wiz... it was a great story of reality
Quiet MaryKay....supposed to be a secret remember!!LOLMouse has a Rep! Oh wow! Here I thought he was a nice guy..
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Proto....you strike me as a very unhappy and untrusting fellow....while I respect your own personal opinion...I happen to know these two individuals quite well...and you can just take my word for it that it WAS an act of kindness....and as far as awesome and friendly go...these guys have you outclassed in those departmants!!
The fact that you all jump at an instant to judge my nature and act like you know my caricature is more than proof enough to know that I am right. That's petty, small, and immature don't you think? Let's act like we have class--or pretend to have integrity.
I'm a very happy, outgoing person. I just am not fond of this notion of handing out addresses over the internet.
Have you ever watched the news about the 18 year old girl on a forum thinking she would get free makeup and instead got a free ..... rape and murder?
Somehow, the laws of nature or evil of mankind don't apply to any of you guys, right? It's people like you that think "Oh it can't happen to me!" Please re-read my previous statement as why I had a problem with this thread. "Pay it forward" is a great concept especially when it's a random act by a stranger, but this was anything BUT that. The dude gave his address to this person online. Anyone who does that should at least expect something in the mail or a knock.
The act was out of kindness yes--but not random. It's a thread giving a false notion that giving your address willy and nilly online will lead to everything good.
Next time if you want to sound intelligent, debate the topic at hand, and my viewpoint, but judging someone outside the context only proves your worthlessness and inaptitude. Let's leave it at that as battling wits and understanding concepts are not of your fortitude.
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How about handing out addresses over the phone? In person? Should I be worried that my neighbor knows my address and will come over and murder me in my sleep?
Sorry, I just don't see how it's different than meeting someone in a bar and giving out your phone number. You eventually go on a date and on the 3rd or 4th date they pick you up at home after you've given them your address.
IP addresses can be traced. If Tone disappears then BiteMe can be tracked. I just don't understand the obesssion with addresses and murder is all. I'm not mocking you, I just don't understand the concept. Several vendors here have my address, including one in my city. Just because they own a business makes them no less capable of traveling to my home and doing me harm.
And just because it isn't random doesn't mean it wasn't meant with good intentions and wasn't a genuine gift from the heart. My family chipped in and bought my best friend a computer. She knew it came from us. It wasn't random, it was planned. Is it somehow 'less of a gift' because we didn't send it to a stranger's address in a phone book? We wanted to help someone we knew.
You can do your best to try to demean a good deed all you want, but a good deed it was and a well apprecited one from the sound of it. It made my heart happy to hear of it and you can't make it seem less in my eyes. But you tried.
Sorry, I just don't see how it's different than meeting someone in a bar and giving out your phone number. You eventually go on a date and on the 3rd or 4th date they pick you up at home after you've given them your address.
IP addresses can be traced. If Tone disappears then BiteMe can be tracked. I just don't understand the obesssion with addresses and murder is all. I'm not mocking you, I just don't understand the concept. Several vendors here have my address, including one in my city. Just because they own a business makes them no less capable of traveling to my home and doing me harm.
And just because it isn't random doesn't mean it wasn't meant with good intentions and wasn't a genuine gift from the heart. My family chipped in and bought my best friend a computer. She knew it came from us. It wasn't random, it was planned. Is it somehow 'less of a gift' because we didn't send it to a stranger's address in a phone book? We wanted to help someone we knew.
You can do your best to try to demean a good deed all you want, but a good deed it was and a well apprecited one from the sound of it. It made my heart happy to hear of it and you can't make it seem less in my eyes. But you tried.
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Here's a great example of how this could be random.
What if, Tone and BiteMe had traded address information for juice swaps. What if, out of the blue, a COMPLETE SUPRISE to Tone, BiteMe had sent him a Janty Stick.
No premeditation. Or, can we come up with another reason why this was not a random act of kindness?
Seriously, this thread got hijacked for the worse. We're talking about adults here, we do everything at our own risk.
Here's a great example of how this could be random.
What if, Tone and BiteMe had traded address information for juice swaps. What if, out of the blue, a COMPLETE SUPRISE to Tone, BiteMe had sent him a Janty Stick.
No premeditation. Or, can we come up with another reason why this was not a random act of kindness?
Seriously, this thread got hijacked for the worse. We're talking about adults here, we do everything at our own risk.
You're right Renaissance - it got hijacked and I'll quit being one to perpetuate it.
To keep with the concept of the thread, I was checking wiki and thought I'd quote this for all the sci-fi geeks (me included):
"The term "pay it forward" was popularized by Robert A. Heinlein in his book Between Planets, published in 1951:
The banker reached into the folds of his gown, pulled out a single credit note. "But eat first a full belly steadies the judgment. Do me the honor of accepting this as our welcome to the newcomer."
His pride said no; his stomach said YES! Don took it and said, "Uh, thanks! That's awfully kind of you. I'll pay it back, first chance."
"Instead, pay it forward to some other brother who needs it."
Heinlein both preached and practiced this philosophy; now the Heinlein Society, a humanitarian organization founded in his name, does so. Author Spider Robinson made repeated reference to the doctrine, attributing it to his spiritual mentor Heinlein."
Although Ben Franklin described the concept in 1784 I find it interesting that Heinlein popularized it. I know there's a few Heinlein books I haven't read but figures I'd miss that one!
To keep with the concept of the thread, I was checking wiki and thought I'd quote this for all the sci-fi geeks (me included):
"The term "pay it forward" was popularized by Robert A. Heinlein in his book Between Planets, published in 1951:
The banker reached into the folds of his gown, pulled out a single credit note. "But eat first a full belly steadies the judgment. Do me the honor of accepting this as our welcome to the newcomer."
His pride said no; his stomach said YES! Don took it and said, "Uh, thanks! That's awfully kind of you. I'll pay it back, first chance."
"Instead, pay it forward to some other brother who needs it."
Heinlein both preached and practiced this philosophy; now the Heinlein Society, a humanitarian organization founded in his name, does so. Author Spider Robinson made repeated reference to the doctrine, attributing it to his spiritual mentor Heinlein."
Although Ben Franklin described the concept in 1784 I find it interesting that Heinlein popularized it. I know there's a few Heinlein books I haven't read but figures I'd miss that one!
WOW I never thought that this thread would bring out the Ugly.
I never said anything about it being "random act" I was trying to point out what a "selfless act" it was and how it touched me.
and when I used the term stranger I used it with the though that we really don't know each other besides being forum friends.
I think Shivadance is correct, so you have my address what does that mean? I can pick a million addresses out of the phone book does that mean these people are in danger?
I am not worried about a serial killer coming to visit me how do you know I'm not a serial killer?? ridiculous isn't it?
Everyone here on the compound is armed so I have no worries.
And I hope that if Biteme is ever in NY he hits me up and we can kick back with a couple of cold ones.
Proto you need to get out more and stop watching so much TV
And this is why I almost never post in the general forum here anymore, just too many
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I never said anything about it being "random act" I was trying to point out what a "selfless act" it was and how it touched me.
and when I used the term stranger I used it with the though that we really don't know each other besides being forum friends.
I think Shivadance is correct, so you have my address what does that mean? I can pick a million addresses out of the phone book does that mean these people are in danger?
I am not worried about a serial killer coming to visit me how do you know I'm not a serial killer?? ridiculous isn't it?
Everyone here on the compound is armed so I have no worries.
And I hope that if Biteme is ever in NY he hits me up and we can kick back with a couple of cold ones.
Proto you need to get out more and stop watching so much TV
And this is why I almost never post in the general forum here anymore, just too many
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Alright, Prototype. I've had JUST ABOUT ENOUGH.
This thread is NOT suggesting that you willy-nilly give your mailing address to random people over the internet, at least until YOU decided to turn it that way.
This thread WAS one man's outpouring of a moment in time where he felt his ENTIRE worldview shift by an act of kindness from a FRIEND.
Bespeak of your own intelegence before trying to question mine, for surely you sound infantile in your attack. YOU started such so-called outside-context judgement, Prototype, when you jumped into this thread and INSISTED it was a stalker situation rather than two friends. You further demean you OWN intellegence by CONTINUING to push your agenda, despite several of us TELLING you we KNOW the two men in question.
If you have something meaningful to add to the thread, feel free, but if you are continuing to troll for reaction, then, respectfully....... restrain yourself!
You know how many private messages I received in agreeance with me? They are scared to post because of your idiotic remarks. Go ahead and bury your head under the sand. You are not on my level of intellect or intelligence and therefore I will ignore all further comments. Infantile? You attacked me first by claiming you know my character. You are the infantile fetter that encumbers society. You ought to heed the words and advice you give--controlling thyself and restraint.
I will leave it at that and no longer view this thread in its ignorance. I won't be bullied by any individual on here. If people are too stupid to read and realize what I said then that is in their accordance and get lashed at by hostile opposition then so be it. Even a lawyer would lose in court with this attitude and unexplained rationale. You have proven nothing, but your own ignorance.
I'll leave you two quotes to remember this by:
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." - Albert Einstein
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"A man makes mistakes, A smart man learns from his mistakes, A wise man learns from other people's mistakes." - Unknown
And I am sorry to learn from the mistakes of those I see on the News. Thanks and good riddance. I applaud all your violent opposition to the facts I presented--both by the words chosen by the thread-maker and factual evidence stating the mistakes of others on the internet; as well as wanting to discourage the notion that handing out your physical address online isn't always a good idea.
Due to the abundance of closed minded people I am encountering and their lack of knowledge regarding my statement, I am closing this thread to myself. Good luck with your John McCain tactics of avoiding reason and debate, but resorting to character lashing. See how far it gets you like it did him in '08.
Bye and please do remember those quotes. You really ought to enrich your own life.
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Proto -
Dude, I realize you aren't reading this thread anymore, but to those who may still be, this was your original post.
You kinda came in here acting cocky as hell, name calling. If you were looking to giving people advice, you did a poor job at presenting your opinion.
Sorry, but I just dont find much class in your presentation.
Awesome story in the OP.
As for people that don't trust people enough to help them, I feel bad for you. Or if you are too paranoid to let people help you, I feel bad for you. I come from a small town, so I know that it's a lot different for me since I'm not in "The big city", but still.
I just picked up an older gentleman yesterday that was trying to hitchhike through town. I was nice enough to give him $3 since he asked for it. I gave him a ride to where he wanted to go since it was on the way to where I was going. It was starting to get hot outside, and I hate to see old people walking when it's getting hot, I worry about their health.
He didn't seem like he was totally all there, which made me more concerned for him. After I dropped him off, I went directly to the police station because I was concerned for HIM, not for myself. I told the officer that I didn't want him arrested and didn't want a big deal made, but I just just concerned about the old fella and wanted to make sure that he would be alright. The old fella told me where he lived, and it was quite a little hike from town. Didn't want him walking all the way back there in the sun. And he really didn't seem like he was all there, maybe not alzheimers, but there was something going on with him.
Point is, I helped someone that I didn't know. I possibly saved him from something bad happening to him. Sometimes I don't mind taking a chance to help someone, that's just the way that I am. I try not to always be in fear with "Oh my gosh, they could KILL me!".
As for people that don't trust people enough to help them, I feel bad for you. Or if you are too paranoid to let people help you, I feel bad for you. I come from a small town, so I know that it's a lot different for me since I'm not in "The big city", but still.
I just picked up an older gentleman yesterday that was trying to hitchhike through town. I was nice enough to give him $3 since he asked for it. I gave him a ride to where he wanted to go since it was on the way to where I was going. It was starting to get hot outside, and I hate to see old people walking when it's getting hot, I worry about their health.
He didn't seem like he was totally all there, which made me more concerned for him. After I dropped him off, I went directly to the police station because I was concerned for HIM, not for myself. I told the officer that I didn't want him arrested and didn't want a big deal made, but I just just concerned about the old fella and wanted to make sure that he would be alright. The old fella told me where he lived, and it was quite a little hike from town. Didn't want him walking all the way back there in the sun. And he really didn't seem like he was all there, maybe not alzheimers, but there was something going on with him.
Point is, I helped someone that I didn't know. I possibly saved him from something bad happening to him. Sometimes I don't mind taking a chance to help someone, that's just the way that I am. I try not to always be in fear with "Oh my gosh, they could KILL me!".
My friend...If I Knew you better(which in this case I really dont want to)I would have to say you were looking for attention...so here is as much more as you are going to get from me.If your not wanting to hand your address out over the internet I can understand that(believe me).It also seems to me that if the thread would have been titled "My friend BiteMe sent me a Janty Stick in the mail today" That would have been ok with you and we could have avoided all this nonsense.As far as debating your viewpoints,understanding concepts and battling wits with you.....You never understood what this thread was about from the beggining...and I doubt you ever will....It's called the positive side of human nature!!! My friend to sum things up..."You just don't get it"....I think it's time for you to move along to a different thread(or perhaps a different forum) where your type of "Logic" will be appreciated!!
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I love helping people. I try to help anyone anywhere. Would give them the shirt off my back if it didn't make them throw up when they saw me without a shirt on. lol.
This one time I picked up a hitchhiker and he was real skiddish. He was hitching all the way from across the country, and made it to Virginia where I live. I had just went to McDonalds for a bite and saw him when I left. I had ordered two sandwichs and a drink. I picked up and he looked like he was starving. I gave him the other sandwich and my drink. I also gave him 3 bucks I had on me, and gave him a ride as far south as I could take him. I will never forget how thankful he was when he got out. I guess he thought I was going to hurt him or something. I don't know what the poor guy went through from other people he rode with.
This one time I picked up a hitchhiker and he was real skiddish. He was hitching all the way from across the country, and made it to Virginia where I live. I had just went to McDonalds for a bite and saw him when I left. I had ordered two sandwichs and a drink. I picked up and he looked like he was starving. I gave him the other sandwich and my drink. I also gave him 3 bucks I had on me, and gave him a ride as far south as I could take him. I will never forget how thankful he was when he got out. I guess he thought I was going to hurt him or something. I don't know what the poor guy went through from other people he rode with.
I would venture a guess and say 7(all those on your friends list)and all of them scared to post because of someones remarks? or ashamed to post in light of sharing your viewpoint in public?...Thats all I have to say!!You know how many private messages I received in agreeance with me? They are scared to post because of your idiotic remarks.
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Tone.....I would feel sorry for the "Serial Killer" who comes over to your house...Big as you are he better be "packin"...LOL
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I hear ya, I've also given sammiches to people along the side of the road that are trying to get food or money. But like you alluded there, that guy could have been more afraid of you than you were of him, you never know what that person has been through.
To everyone else: Everyone has different opinions and neurosis based on what they have heard of been through. If someone wants to live in fear and not trust anyone, then whatever. Proto probably meant well by his posts with a tough love kind of stance, I guess. But let's not argue over something like that. It's just one of those things where nobody is going to win.
I would venture a guess and say 7(all those on your friends list)and all of them scared to post because of someones remarks? or ashamed to post in light of sharing your viewpoint in public?...Thats all I have to say!!
I'm glad to say not all forum members are like proto. I have made several new friends on the forums and off. With traveling all around the country, it's nice to know I can stop and meet up with someone and relax a few hours. I am getting ready to meet up with a few members here in a couple of hours in NC. Wish me luck hopefully they don't show up with Ax's and chainsaws!! If they do i'll have to sick wilbur the killer shihtzu on them.
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